difference between leftism and liberalism

[Contumacious]

"Liberals" today in government practice exactly the kind of "leftism" you described.

I'm clicking on your examples and the links don't work, but to the extent that's true, they can't be Liberals.

If anyone is "polluting" the title of "liberal", it's them.

Umm.... it's only you and your ilk making that conflation. And you've been trying to get away with it for a long time, but that doesn't make it any less bullshittious.

One of the major problems in American political consciousness today comes from a misrepresentation of the political spectrum. This is partly the result of a deliberate effort to put all of America's enemies (fascists and communists) into the same basket after World War II, and a deliberate effort by the American "Right" to classify everything that they oppose as "Leftist". After World War II the Republican Party was struggling for survival and was in the process of reinventing itself. Part of the political strategy of some Republicans was to portray the Democratic Party of Truman and Franklin D. Roosevelt as "Red," thereby associating "Liberalism" with "Socialism". It was a common tactic during the 1950s to accuse Democrats of being "Communists" or "Communist sympathizers", a tactic that worked well during the McCarthy era and has had a lasting impact on how Americans view politics. -- Redefining the Political Spectrum​

Now by default, "liberal" means "bi-government totalitarian", regardless of attempts by those liberals to pretend there's still a difference.

Wrong. Doesn't mean that and never did.

Liberalism first became a distinct political movement during the Age of Enlightenment, when it became popular among philosophers and economists in the Western world. Liberalism rejected the notions, common at the time, of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The 17th-century philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition. Locke argued that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property,[11] while adding that governments must not violate these rights based on the social contract. Liberals opposed traditional conservatism and sought to replace absolutism in government with representative democracy and the rule of law. (Wiki)
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Liberalism threw off the First and Second Estates (Clergy and Aristocracy) and distributed power to We the People -- the Third Estate. That is what it means.

Communism and Facism are pretty much the same thing. Total state control and mass murder. Trying to differentiate mass murder is like trying to differentiate between John Wayne Gacey and Jeffery Dahlmer. You get to that level....

Nobody brought up "communism and fascism" as such. But there's nothing about communism that requires a totalitarian or dictatorial government anyway, nor does it have anything to do with "mass murder". Nor does fascism for that matter.

Know what a cum hoc fallacy is? Because you sure know how to post one.

Yo Vern


HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE CUBANS IN MIAMI, OR ARE YOU TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS?

There is no "Vern" here, Pinky. Nor is there any discussion of "Cubans" or "Miami".

Even if your post here is commensurate in efficacy with that city's baseball team. Fuggin' screwball.

OUT OF YOUR ASS

THANK YOU FOR THE ADMISSION.


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[Pogo]

I'm clicking on your examples and the links don't work, but to the extent that's true, they can't be Liberals.

Umm.... it's only you and your ilk making that conflation. And you've been trying to get away with it for a long time, but that doesn't make it any less bullshittious.

One of the major problems in American political consciousness today comes from a misrepresentation of the political spectrum. This is partly the result of a deliberate effort to put all of America's enemies (fascists and communists) into the same basket after World War II, and a deliberate effort by the American "Right" to classify everything that they oppose as "Leftist". After World War II the Republican Party was struggling for survival and was in the process of reinventing itself. Part of the political strategy of some Republicans was to portray the Democratic Party of Truman and Franklin D. Roosevelt as "Red," thereby associating "Liberalism" with "Socialism". It was a common tactic during the 1950s to accuse Democrats of being "Communists" or "Communist sympathizers", a tactic that worked well during the McCarthy era and has had a lasting impact on how Americans view politics. -- Redefining the Political Spectrum​

Wrong. Doesn't mean that and never did.

Liberalism first became a distinct political movement during the Age of Enlightenment, when it became popular among philosophers and economists in the Western world. Liberalism rejected the notions, common at the time, of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The 17th-century philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition. Locke argued that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property,[11] while adding that governments must not violate these rights based on the social contract. Liberals opposed traditional conservatism and sought to replace absolutism in government with representative democracy and the rule of law. (Wiki)
​

Liberalism threw off the First and Second Estates (Clergy and Aristocracy) and distributed power to We the People -- the Third Estate. That is what it means.

Communism and Facism are pretty much the same thing. Total state control and mass murder. Trying to differentiate mass murder is like trying to differentiate between John Wayne Gacey and Jeffery Dahlmer. You get to that level....

Nobody brought up "communism and fascism" as such. But there's nothing about communism that requires a totalitarian or dictatorial government anyway, nor does it have anything to do with "mass murder". Nor does fascism for that matter.

Know what a cum hoc fallacy is? Because you sure know how to post one.

Yo Vern


HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE CUBANS IN MIAMI, OR ARE YOU TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS?

There is no "Vern" here, Pinky. Nor is there any discussion of "Cubans" or "Miami".

Even if your post here is commensurate in efficacy with that city's baseball team. Fuggin' screwball.

OUT OF YOUR ASS

THANK YOU FOR THE ADMISSION.

Again, Pinkie -- my points are linked. Yours... well you didn't make one but if you did I'm sure it would have all the subtlety of a hand grenade in a public library.

Obnoxiousness -- the crutch of the rhetorically bankrupt.

 

[Pogo]

Not only that but we are losing in our freedom of the press.
U.S. drops in state of free press ranking report - NY Daily News
The state of free press in the U.S. is bad, according to the 2014 World Press Freedom Index compiled by Reporters Without Borders (Reporters sans frontières).

The U.S. was ranked 46th among the 180 nations surveyed, falling 13 places since last year.

Finland, the Netherlands and Norway are among the most free nations for journalists. Iran, China and North Korea are among the most restrictive for reporters.

That's a good measure of how much we're creeping away from Liberalism. And since a corporate-consolidated media is a main cause of it, toward fascism.

It's a good benchmark to watch. Thanks Peach.

 

[peach174]

Not only that but we are losing in our freedom of the press.
U.S. drops in state of free press ranking report - NY Daily News
The state of free press in the U.S. is bad, according to the 2014 World Press Freedom Index compiled by Reporters Without Borders (Reporters sans frontières).

The U.S. was ranked 46th among the 180 nations surveyed, falling 13 places since last year.

Finland, the Netherlands and Norway are among the most free nations for journalists. Iran, China and North Korea are among the most restrictive for reporters.

That's a good measure of how much we're creeping away from Liberalism. And since a corporate-consolidated media is a main cause of it, toward fascism.

It's a good benchmark to watch. Thanks Peach.

It's also the special interests money in Washington.
As soon as any of our politicians gets elected then they have to do their pay back time.
Neither party is for following our constitutional freedoms, it's all about the money.

 

[francoHFW]

Not only that but we are losing in our freedom of the press.
U.S. drops in state of free press ranking report - NY Daily News
The state of free press in the U.S. is bad, according to the 2014 World Press Freedom Index compiled by Reporters Without Borders (Reporters sans frontières).

The U.S. was ranked 46th among the 180 nations surveyed, falling 13 places since last year.

Finland, the Netherlands and Norway are among the most free nations for journalists. Iran, China and North Korea are among the most restrictive for reporters.

That's a good measure of how much we're creeping away from Liberalism. And since a corporate-consolidated media is a main cause of it, toward fascism.

It's a good benchmark to watch. Thanks Peach.

It's also the special interests money in Washington.
As soon as any of our politicians gets elected then they have to do their pay back time.
Neither party is for following our constitutional freedoms, it's all about the money.

You DO know the GOP favors lobbyists and big money in politics, right? Ay caramba.

 

[Pogo]

Not only that but we are losing in our freedom of the press.
U.S. drops in state of free press ranking report - NY Daily News
The state of free press in the U.S. is bad, according to the 2014 World Press Freedom Index compiled by Reporters Without Borders (Reporters sans frontières).

The U.S. was ranked 46th among the 180 nations surveyed, falling 13 places since last year.

Finland, the Netherlands and Norway are among the most free nations for journalists. Iran, China and North Korea are among the most restrictive for reporters.

That's a good measure of how much we're creeping away from Liberalism. And since a corporate-consolidated media is a main cause of it, toward fascism.

It's a good benchmark to watch. Thanks Peach.

It's also the special interests money in Washington.
As soon as any of our politicians gets elected then they have to do their pay back time.
Neither party is for following our constitutional freedoms, it's all about the money.

Amen. Testify sister, testify!

The old DC revolving door. That's exactly why I keep saying we don't have two political parties, we have one party that likes to play dress-up in alternate red and blue colors and we're supposed to pretend they're different puppets.

"As for a third party, we tried that in 1972, the People's Party. Unfortunately we hadn't remembered that in order to have a third party you must first have two other parties." --- Gore Vidal

 

[Pogo]

Not only that but we are losing in our freedom of the press.
U.S. drops in state of free press ranking report - NY Daily News
The state of free press in the U.S. is bad, according to the 2014 World Press Freedom Index compiled by Reporters Without Borders (Reporters sans frontières).

The U.S. was ranked 46th among the 180 nations surveyed, falling 13 places since last year.

Finland, the Netherlands and Norway are among the most free nations for journalists. Iran, China and North Korea are among the most restrictive for reporters.

That's a good measure of how much we're creeping away from Liberalism. And since a corporate-consolidated media is a main cause of it, toward fascism.

It's a good benchmark to watch. Thanks Peach.

It's also the special interests money in Washington.
As soon as any of our politicians gets elected then they have to do their pay back time.
Neither party is for following our constitutional freedoms, it's all about the money.

You DO know the GOP favors lobbyists and big money in politics, right? Ay caramba.

They do. And so do the Dems.

One example, of many:

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Liberal has a different meaning now than what you're using. If you say 'liberal', 99% of folks are going to think of modern left leaning folks.

Liberalism has a home in the Libertarian party. The democrats have zero tolerance for liberalism.

 

[peach174]

Not only that but we are losing in our freedom of the press.
U.S. drops in state of free press ranking report - NY Daily News
The state of free press in the U.S. is bad, according to the 2014 World Press Freedom Index compiled by Reporters Without Borders (Reporters sans frontières).

The U.S. was ranked 46th among the 180 nations surveyed, falling 13 places since last year.

Finland, the Netherlands and Norway are among the most free nations for journalists. Iran, China and North Korea are among the most restrictive for reporters.

That's a good measure of how much we're creeping away from Liberalism. And since a corporate-consolidated media is a main cause of it, toward fascism.

It's a good benchmark to watch. Thanks Peach.

It's also the special interests money in Washington.
As soon as any of our politicians gets elected then they have to do their pay back time.
Neither party is for following our constitutional freedoms, it's all about the money.

You DO know the GOP favors lobbyists and big money in politics, right? Ay caramba.

So do the Dems

 

[francoHFW]

Not only that but we are losing in our freedom of the press.
U.S. drops in state of free press ranking report - NY Daily News
The state of free press in the U.S. is bad, according to the 2014 World Press Freedom Index compiled by Reporters Without Borders (Reporters sans frontières).

The U.S. was ranked 46th among the 180 nations surveyed, falling 13 places since last year.

Finland, the Netherlands and Norway are among the most free nations for journalists. Iran, China and North Korea are among the most restrictive for reporters.

That's a good measure of how much we're creeping away from Liberalism. And since a corporate-consolidated media is a main cause of it, toward fascism.

It's a good benchmark to watch. Thanks Peach.

It's also the special interests money in Washington.
As soon as any of our politicians gets elected then they have to do their pay back time.
Neither party is for following our constitutional freedoms, it's all about the money.

You DO know the GOP favors lobbyists and big money in politics, right? Ay caramba.

So do the Dems

News blackout there? lol