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I love America more than most.Think about conditions in Japan in mid 1945. If you can, you would know they had no ability to inflict 500k casualties on the worlds most powerful military.That's it? You claim some casualty estimate of 46,000 and when I post legit sources that say you are a fool you simply call all those who authored the numbers propagandists? Perhaps you should look at the names attached to the numbers I posted and compare them to your source (which you have yet to post).
Uh-huh. So I can believe your unposted source or the virtual "1945 Who's Who America" I posted in support of the 500,000 number. The question is: why in the face of facts to you continue to bash Truman and America? Does your membership in The Loony Leftist Society require it? Why do all Leftists hate America like it's your job?Think about conditions in Japan in mid 1945. If you can, you would know they had no ability to inflict 500k casualties on the worlds most powerful military.Do you not recognize propaganda when you see it? Those casualty rates are exponential higher than any we experienced during the war. All lies.
That's it? You claim some casualty estimate of 46,000 and when I post legit sources that say you are a fool you simply call all those who authored the numbers propagandists? Perhaps you should look at the names attached to the numbers I posted and compare them to your source (which you have yet to post).
Uh-huh. So I can believe your unposted source or the virtual "1945 Who's Who America" I posted in support of the 500,000 number. The question is: why in the face of facts to you continue to bash Truman and America? Does your membership in The Loony Leftist Society require it? Why do all Leftists hate America like it's your job?
What absolute crap.
Look- as a proud 'liberal'- I have been in this thread arguing against gipper from the beginning- so let me just say you are just full of crap in your claims.
FDR was a 'leftist'- Truman was a 'leftist'- I am a 'leftist'- saying we all hate America is absurd- and stupid as when someone says all Conservatives are racists or all Conservatives are fascists- it is stupid- and ignorant.
I will say this again- this is monday morning quarterbacking 60 years after the fact. America was convinced that we needed an unconditional surrender from Japan and was prepared to invade- and suffer horrific casualties. Dropping atomic bombs seemed at the time to be logical alternatives- and we do not know for certain how anything would have turned out if we didn't.
We do know that Japan went from being one of the most imperialistic and jingoistic nations prior to the war, to being a vibrant democracy and ally today. We know what we did achieved both our short term and long term goals.
Well then, I stand corrected and I agree with and appreciate your thoughtful, rational posts on this subject. It's not libs I have a prob with here but rather leftists. You know ... those so wedded to their ideology that they hate America because we don't see things their way.
Haters gotta hate.
My daughter is Japanese, makes my mother in-law Japanese, that makes you about the dumbest person here? Yes?The Japanese government was putting out feelers?
You still have not came up with a good Goggle answer, have you. The Japanese would never of surrendered, not after the Fire Bombing in Tokyo, not after the lost of Okinawa, funny how the Japanese never quit shooting, never quit Hari Kari, funny how so many fought to the death, took not one but two Nuclear attacks, and even then it was pretty rough for them to Surrender.
You know what, why do I get the feeling you don't even KNOW any Japanese people. But you read a book once.
This has all been done. Japan and the US were negotiating peace even as Japanese ships were steaming to Pearl Harbor to bomb us. The peace feelers she sent to the USSR were an attempt to set up a Japanese-USSR alliance. If Japan wanted peace she had but to contact the US.
My daughter is Japanese, makes my mother in-law Japanese, that makes you about the dumbest person here? Yes?
Guide to Decision Part I
- Intercepted cables showed Japan responding positively to a U.S. offer of a surrender based on the "Atlantic Charter" as put forward in an official July 21, 1945 American radio broadcast. The key clause of the Charter promised that every nation could choose its own form of government (which would have allowed Japan to keep its Emperor).
Yeah, when Tojo was replaced as Prime Minister.
I mean, I'm really not talking to you anymore, because you're like a fucking crazy person.
Tojo was not replaced in July of 1945.
You stated specifically when Tojo resigned, that was in the summer of 1944, supposedly through Germany, now you link to the history of the summer of 1945? Zero reference to Tojo.
While, at least you are trying but its plain to see that Joeb131 is trying to figure it out after Joeb131 runs his mouth (I am assuming you are a man, just so you know I am a man as well, not a girl like you think, my avatar is of a record label, not the movie!).
Where is your quote, cherry picker? Give up on the USMB rules??My daughter is Japanese, makes my mother in-law Japanese, that makes you about the dumbest person here? Yes?
Oooookay, this just got weird. I'm done
Where is your quote, cherry picker? Give up on the USMB rules??My daughter is Japanese, makes my mother in-law Japanese, that makes you about the dumbest person here? Yes?
Oooookay, this just got weird. I'm done
You stated I know, zero Japanese. Must suck to be wrong, even while you try to flame, yes?
Point is, again you screwed up your super fast Google search, you stated the time period when Tojo resigned in 1944, not 1945.Tojo was not replaced in July of 1945.
You stated specifically when Tojo resigned, that was in the summer of 1944, supposedly through Germany, now you link to the history of the summer of 1945? Zero reference to Tojo.
While, at least you are trying but its plain to see that Joeb131 is trying to figure it out after Joeb131 runs his mouth (I am assuming you are a man, just so you know I am a man as well, not a girl like you think, my avatar is of a record label, not the movie!).
Oh, I'm sorry, I thought I was clear I wasn't talking to you anymore because you're a fucking crazy person.
I'm sorry you don't get that, but until you get back on the anti-crazy pills, I'm really not talking to you anymore.
Point is, again you screwed up your super fast Google search, you stated the time period when Tojo resigned in 1944, not 1945.
You can run from all your posts and attack me, that just confirms you are fuming at the keyboard.
Oh, I am so sorry, to point out repeatedly that you do not know what you are talking about. Mocking, that just sucks for me, mocking is making fun of someone in cruel way. I wonder if you can get away with being cruel here.Elektra, I'm moved on to openly mocking you at this point.
You thought? Stretching the truth again, are you!Yes, to the last child, ]They really DID mean to fight to the last man, woman, and child...!
Don't be stupid.
I thought I told you not to be stupid. Now, try actually thinking about it for a second.
Disagreeing with Truman's dropping of the A bombs has nothing to do with one's political persuasion or love of country. It has to do with morality and the truth.
What is strange is how many on the right defend Truman, yet he was a big gov progressive statist.
Cause all you know is stupid? You seem to find a lot of stupid, maybe you are a stupid magnet.You thought? Stretching the truth again, are you!Yes, to the last child, ]They really DID mean to fight to the last man, woman, and child...!
Don't be stupid.
I thought I told you not to be stupid. Now, try actually thinking about it for a second.
There you go again being stupid.
The Japanese government plans a fanatical defence of Japan's home islands to the last man, woman and child
In April 1945, the Japanese Suzuki government had prepared a war policy called Ketsugo which was a refinement of the Shosango victory plan for the defence of the home islands to the last man. These plans would prepare the Japanese people psychologically to die as a nation in defence of their homeland. Even children, including girls, would be trained to use makeshift lethal weapons, and exhorted to sacrifice themselves by killing an American invader. To implement this policy of training children to kill, soldiers attended Japanese schools and trained even small children in the use of weapons such as bamboo spears.
Maybe that's the morality and truth rising above political persuasion?Disagreeing with Truman's dropping of the A bombs has nothing to do with one's political persuasion or love of country. It has to do with morality and the truth.
What is strange is how many on the right defend Truman, yet he was a big gov progressive statist.
