CDZ Did the Democratic party really create Jim Crow laws and fight against Civil Rights?

[John Baron]

Did the Democratic party really create Jim Crow laws and fight against Civil Rights? Was racism and bigotry part of the Democratic party's platform? Were Jim Crow laws part of a Democratic party strategy?


The old GOP died a slow and painful death during the years of the Johnson (LBJ) presidency. Before conservatives threw out liberals, the GOP had strong liberal values. But in the 1970s and into the '80s and '90s, the GOP knowing it had long ago lost the African American community, turned to the tried and true tactics of the conservative South (where Jim Crow laws were enacted): race baiting with dog whistles.

Where exactly were Jim Crows laws enacted by local officials? Who fought against the Civil Rights movement in 20th century America? Who? Where were they from? Where did they end up by the 1970s?

"By the '70s and into the '80s and '90s, the Democratic Party solidified its gains in the African American community, and we Republicans did not effectively reach out," Mehlman says in his prepared text. "Some Republicans gave up on winning the African American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."

RNC Chief to Say It Was 'Wrong' to Exploit Racial Conflict for Votes


"Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization," said Mr. Mehlman. "I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."

An Empty Apology


Why should an African-American vote Republican?

“You really don’t have a reason to, to be honest — we haven’t done a very good job of really giving you one. True? True,”

“…We have lost sight of the historic, integral link between the party and African-Americans,” Steele said. “This party was co-founded by blacks, among them Frederick Douglass. The Republican Party had a hand in forming the NAACP, and yet we have mistreated that relationship. People don’t walk away from parties, Their parties walk away from them.

“For the last 40-plus years we had a ‘Southern Strategy’ that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South. Well, guess what happened in 1992, folks, ‘Bubba’ went back home to the Democratic Party and voted for Bill Clinton.”


RNC Chair Michael Steele Confesses to Race-Based Southern Strategy



GOP Apologizes for Southern Strategy​

Let us be honest and truthful. Let us face hatred and fear, bigotry and anger with courage. We do this, and we can have reasonable conversations on race and move forward.

 

[mudwhistle]

Yes.......

 

[John Baron]

Yes.......

Do they still?

 

[mudwhistle]

Yes.......

Do they still?

Now they want to impose them on whites.
No change at all.

 

[Moonglow]

Jim Crow laws were local and not federal so there is a difference..Jim Crow laws were before the GOP threw away it's liberal/progressive mattress tags...And the south voted for Rockefeller since he didn't want to vote for the Equal Rights amendment..First time a GOP nominee carried the South,,but not the last...But the dims of denial will spill their guts proclaiming there was no demographic switch by the political parties, yet it is there in black and white..

 

[william the wie]

The Ds are happy crippling the vast majority of the black community by using welfare to destroy the black family as far as possible. Turning the Civil Rights movement into useful idiot organizers also worked like a charm.

 

[Moonglow]

Yes.......

Do they still?

Now they want to impose them on whites.
No change at all.

That's funny there are no such laws in SW Mizzouri like dat..

 

[John Baron]

Yes.......

Do they still?

Now they want to impose them on whites.
No change at all.

Can you name a few of these proposed laws? Or can you name the legislators and politicians who have proposed Jim Crow type laws to be used against whites?

 

[Moonglow]

The Ds are happy crippling the vast majority of the black community by using welfare to destroy the black family as far as possible. Turning the Civil Rights movement into useful idiot organizers also worked like a charm.

The use of welfare is on an individual basis and not a consensus for electing anyone..The welfare state is alive and well no matter which party is in power....You my friend have a fallacy of a statement..

 

[mudwhistle]

Yes.......

Do they still?

Now they want to impose them on whites.
No change at all.

That's funny there are no such laws in SW Mizzouri like dat..

They don't follow the law and don't need laws anymore.
They just attack people.....

 

[Moonglow]

Yes.......

Do they still?

Now they want to impose them on whites.
No change at all.

That's funny there are no such laws in SW Mizzouri like dat..

They don't follow the law and don't need laws anymore.
They just attack people.....

I know, the cops around here just do as they please...

 

[Luddly Neddite]

It has always been conservatives who have held countries back. At one time in the US, that was the Dems but its not now.

Same with the Revolution. It was conservatives who spied for King George and the progressives who wanted to build a new country.

It has never been a question of Republicans and Democrats but rather of progressive and regressive.

 

[Toronado3800]

The Ds are happy crippling the vast majority of the black community by using welfare to destroy the black family as far as possible. Turning the Civil Rights movement into useful idiot organizers also worked like a charm.

I am not herr to argue if welfare works or not, that is another topic.

Do you think the pro welfare folks are trying to enslave the poor? Or they do it unintentionally?

 

[william the wie]

yes,

 

[Picaro]

Most states had laws similar, including most northern states. The Midwest had the most draconian 'Black Codes', and they made those even tougher in the 1850's. It was impossible for a black person to buy land in Illinois, or even make a living legally, and of course they had slavery as well, they just invented a new way to practice it, via debt slavery and selling convict labor to private businesses. Lincoln was a leader in strengthening the 'Black Codes' in Illinois in 1857. The state laws weren't called 'Jim Crow' everywhere, but they were the same as them, some were worse. Many of our gun control laws have racist roots, going back to colonial times.

As for welfare, there is a lot of evidence for it being the black middle class using poor blacks as essentially hostages to use as weapons to extort bennies for themselves from local, state, and Federal govts. See Hugh Davis Graham's The Civil Rights Era for details on how that was enabled, and Patrick Moynihan's warnings on how that was going to turn out that proved to be spot on the money.

A bit -off-topic, but provides a little context of conditions in the U.S. at the time:

The flood of cheap desperate immigrant labor into the northern states and Midwest that began in 1820, and reached massive proportions after 1845, of course made being 'free white labor' a worse condition than being a slave, the latter being a 'capital investment' and expensive rated being taken care of a much better existence than being disposable white casual labor in the north or the south, in any case; the levees that line the Mississippi has thousands of skeletons of German and Irish laborers that weren't considered worth the bother of even removing them from the work sites and they just left them to be buried in the levees. Fredrick Law Omstead on his tour of the South to Texas and back made a note of this in his book about his trip, and also that on the cotton boats and docks the Irish got the most dangerous, crippling work for the same reasons. Some economists have even documented the dire effects of mass immigration on both natives and immigrants in those years. I posted a couple of links in a thread in the History Forum on that some time back, but it drew crickets.

 

[bodecea]

In the South, post-Civil War, yes they did. And any Democrat politician who voted for those Jim Crow laws needs to be voted out of office, ASAP!

 

[bodecea]

Yes.......

Do they still?

Now they want to impose them on whites.
No change at all.

Can you name a few of these proposed laws? Or can you name the legislators and politicians who have proposed Jim Crow type laws to be used against whites?

I would also like to hear the answer to that so I can condemn those laws and those politicians.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Dixiecrats which are now our freedom caucus members are the ones that started jim crow!

 

[American_Jihad]

Setting the Record Straight on Jim Crow

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[Fishlore]

Jim Crow began with the end of Reconstruction's military occupation of Dixie in1870. Until the advent of TV, national parties were coalitions of state parties. The Democratic Party coalition put together by FDR to operate his New Deal, included the semi-independent Solid South -- the white vote still angry over the Civil War. The black vote (such as it was in the South and in the North) had voted for the "party of Lincoln" i.e. the GOP as a solid bloc since the passage of the XV Amendment in 1869. The black vote switched over to the Democratic Party in response to the New Deal. This uneasy combination of bedfellows was contained in a single national party largely by giving Southern Democrats free rein locally in return for their obedience to national party policies.