Did Israel Evict The Palestinians?

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    Obviously, there was a major migration of jews to that part of the world as part of the Zionist movement. So the ones in question are not the same ones who had lived there for a hundred generations, but rather the more recent arrivals. Their purchase of land in "Palestine" was somewhat compromised by the lack of formal deeds and related documentation LOCALLY. Many people (Arabs) who had lived on, and farmed land for "generations" found that "their" land had been sold out from under them, giving them no opportunity to contest the transactions.

    There never was a country called "Palestine," nor an ethnicity/nationality called the "Palestinians." That nomenclature - with Roman origins - arose when it became apparent that the jews wanted to claim the area for a newly-formed country of Israel. The indigenous non-jews simply needed a name by which to refer to themselves.

    The real problem arose because the jews insisted that the new country be overtly established as a "jewish state." It is ironic that the Arabs had (and continue to have) such a problem with this concept because there are scores of countries in the Middle East and around the world that are overtly "Islamic" states. And ONE jewish state is a problem? And of course, there is nothing prohibiting Arab/Muslims from being a citizens of Israel, or practicing their religion.

    There is some disagreement about whether the jews evicted the local Arabs when the State of Israel was declared, or they left voluntarily on the advice of the surrounding Arab states. Regardless, it has been more than 70 years since the fact, and continuing to refer to those who left as "refugees" is preposterous. They need to get a life.

    Interestingly, the U.S. has never had a problem with the concept of people coming in from the outside and establishing a new "country" in spite of protests from the locals, because that's pretty much how the U.S. was created.
     
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    Jews could not have evicted Palestinians because they did not exist. There were just Arabs with no particular identity other than that. It was only by Arafat's urging that they started calling themselves "Palestinian", a simple ploy to create the illusion of land ownership as well as inverse the relationship between powerful majority and small minority.

    As far as "eviction" is concerned, once Arabs attacked Jews upon the creation of Israel, the most hostile Arabs left and the most peaceful stayed. The hostile were generally aligned with the Nazi Mufti al Husseini (uncle to the Egyptian who changed his name later to Arafat) while the more peaceful were generally aligned with the Nashashibi clan.

    As to the hostile Arabs who left, some left voluntarily while others had to be met with harsher measures because they had started a war. In total, around 700000 Arabs left, some by their own choosing with those who chose warfare by force. Several years later around 900000 Jews were evicted from Arab lands, most of them moving to Israel after Arabs in neighboring countries seized everything they owned.

    Only an antisemite would harp on the so-called "Palestinian:" (Arab) refugees while failing to note the Jewish, especially considering that the Arabs who left were engaging in warfare and the Jews who were forced out of Arab lands weren't.
     
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    EVIDENCE??????
     
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    So the ones in question are not the same ones who had lived there for a hundred generations, but rather the more recent arrivals.

    The Arab claims were the same.
     
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    The Arab claims were the same.


    WRONG. UN Resolution 181 partitioned the land into Arab and Jewish sectors and the Jews only took the part given them.
     
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    Its complicated. Why are you asking?
     

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