Did Government Argue Mandate Is a Tax?

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    "we know the administration thinks the mandate is justifiable as a tax, because that's exactly what they argued to the Supreme Court, as well as all the lower courts that heard the case."

    Obama Administration Argues to Supreme Court that ObamaCare's Mandate Is a Tax, Tells Reporters That It's Not a Tax - Hit & Run : Reason.com

    Political arguments say differently. :rofl:

    funny to watch the right wing get all upset that for a political argument the administration is calling the mandated tax, a penalty.

    nuance! nuance and great political skills. :lol:

    In Robert's own words (contrary to right wing talking points and spin)

    "In pressing it's taxing power argument..." for the clueless... the Chief Justice is using one of the government's arguments before the Court.

    "In pressing it's taxing power argument, the Government asks the Court to view the mandate as imposing a tax on those who do not buy that product."

    http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-393c3a2.pdf

    page 3 .. "3. Chief Justice Roberts concluded..."
     
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    A tax, in the general understanding of the term, and as used in the Constitution, signifies an exaction for the support of the government. The word has never been thought to connote the expropriation of money from one group for the benefit of another.


    U.S. Supreme Court

    U.S. v. BUTLER, 297 U.S. 1 (1936)


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    what is your point?

    you are reaching.

    taking a single quote from a ruling out of context?
     
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    The sole purpose of the the Constitution was to prevent the adoption of the Communist Manifesto .

    As was seen yesterday the so-called conservatives will not stand in the way .

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    far too long a read to get your quotes .. too bad you didn't cite paragraphs
     
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    the Communist Manifesto?

    okay. you're crazy. :cuckoo:


    my bad
     
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    No, your stupidity.

    "The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state…"

    The Communist Manifesto


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    Maybe I'm missing your point, but - historically speaking - wasn't the Constitution written BEFORE the Communist Manifesto was even conceived?

    It's been a long time since grade school for me, but I was under the impression that the Constitution was written in opposition to current British rule. And, as far as I can tell, there is no provision in the Constitution that says that we can't all be communists if that's what we want.
     
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    Excuse me Vern, a dictatorial government which used all kinds of pretexts to steal from, and subjugate, its subjects has existed since times immemorial.

    All that information was compiled in a series of books called the Cato Letters which were thoroughly studied by the founders.

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