Did China Get Plans for Our Semi-Secret F-22 Raptor And Copy It? See the Alleged Pict

[ScienceRocks]

Did China Get Plans for Our Semi-Secret F-22 Raptor And Copy It? See the Alleged Pictures
The Blaze ^ | 6/14/12 | Liz Klimas

Last week, the blog China Defense posted two photos, nearly identical, with only one line of text: “Just in case you might get confused, only one bird below is the J-20.”

The J-20 stealth fighter is the creation of the Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group for the People’s Liberation Army in China. About a year and a half ago, the People’s Liberation Army conducted its first tests of the aircraft, which is expected to be fully operational sometime between 2017 and 2019.


Looking at the comparison, it seems like they may have been some leaks. In fact, this comparison image is screaming espionage and reverse engineering with a 20,000-watt speaker right on Uncle Sam’s face. A 20,000-watt speaker made in China.

Blog Compares China’s J-20 With the U.S. F-22 Raptor With Some Citing ‘Reverse Engineering’ | Video | TheBlaze.com

If China copied the Raptor then in case of war we might not be able to break their airpower.

 

[daveman]

They may have built the airframe, but China can't produce her own high-performance jet engines. They just don't have the materials technology to pull it off.

Plus, their pilots are strictly AAA ball against our Major Leaguers in the Air Force and Navy. A fleet of Red Raptors would be reduced to smoking rubble in short order.

 

[MuadDib]

Maybe they can do some really cool nose art on one and name it General Tso's Chicken.

 

[Salt Jones]

Who cares? The F-22 is a worthless outdated piece of shit.

 

[daveman]

Who cares? The F-22 is a worthless outdated piece of shit.

Somebody's pissed that his ASVAB scores weren't good enough to get him into the Air Force.

 

[Moonglow]

Since when has the secret plans not been stolen or replicated?

 

[onecut39]

Since when has the secret plans not been stolen or replicated?

"All secrets are transitory and military secrets are the most fleeting of all"
.....................Mr. Spock.................................................................

 

[whitehall]

I don't know about the Raptor but comrade Bill Clinton authorized a big supporter, Loral, to sell ICBM technology to China against expert advice. The liberal media told Americans that the outsourced technology would be used strictly for satelites.

 

[waltky]

Chinese got `em a new stealth fighter...

New pictures show second Chinese stealth fighter being test flown
November 2nd, 2012 WASHINGTON (CNN) - CNN has obtained detailed photographs of a new stealth fighter being tested in China.

It is the second such stealth fighter China has tested in as many years and appears destined to become the communist nation's future aircraft carrier-based fighter jet, according to weapons analysts. The plane, dubbed by outsiders as the J-31, was test flown Tuesday in Shenyang. According to the analysts, the two photographs obtained by CNN appear to have been leaked by officials in China. "It has to be an official photographer because nobody else can get that close to the airplane," said John Pike, director of GlobalSecurity.org. "These are all publicity photos from the factory, and I could not imagine that the factory would publicize these things without somebody higher up in the food chain authorizing it."

Richard Fisher, a senior fellow in Asian military affairs at the International Assessment and Strategy Center (IASC), agrees these are not pictures sent out surreptitiously by some Chinese aviation aficionado. "The Internet censors are controlling this process, have no doubt that." But Fisher said the reason for the release may not be as threatening as some might imagine. "It's being done in a way to help promote pro-military nationalism in China. There's just a huge, large audience in China for this kind of information. It's kind of like NASCAR." No matter who let the pictures go public, they won't answer all the questions surrounding China's fighter program. "They don't want to reveal anything that's truly useful to a foreign military or intelligence service," Fisher said.

In January 2011, China tested the J-20, a fighter jet with stealth characteristics, much like the American F-22. Fisher said the J-31 appears be a lighter fighter jet similar to the American F-35. "The J-20 is the heavy stealth fighter, (The J-31) is going to be the medium-weight stealth fighter. It's very much in the same vein as the F-22 versus the F-35, with the Raptor, the F-22 being the heavy fifth-generation fighter for the U.S. Air Force versus the medium-weight F-35." Pike said that could be the case, but it may be that China is test flying both prototypes and will choose just one to put into production. While these are both fifth-generation fighter jets, that doesn't put them on par with America's two newest fighters.

For example, Pike said China's jet engines just don't come close to American engines. "This is a sucking chest wound of Chinese military aviation." Pike said the primary Chinese military jet engine is based on an American design. "We started development of this engine back in the '60s. Then they commercialized it in the 1970s. Then the Chinese got a hold of it 20 years ago and it's still no good. It's a half century-old design that they've been working on for two decades, and it's still no good." Fisher has a higher opinion of that engine. "It's not entirely true that China is currently facing massive problems. They've actually had some measure of success."

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[ScienceRocks]

Nations like China and Russia are the real threats. I'd like to see about 100-200 more f-22 being built.

 

[Munin]

Nations like China and Russia are the real threats. I'd like to see about 100-200 more f-22 being built.

You know that the F22 is like the most expensive fighter in the world? I agree it is the best fighter, but it is way too expensive I think


I agree with the Obama policy, if we need to we can mass produce F22's. The problem now is that drones are 10x more usefull atm, the current conflicts do not need air superiority fighters

The taliban don't have fighter planes, the Iraqi air force is supposed to be allied and even if they are hostile: cheaper fighter planes can even deal with them

 

[whitehall]

There are no secrets when the administration admits that they are tired of being the last super-power and they want to level the playing field.

 

[waltky]

Dey ain't stealin' much...

Raptor: Problem Jet Of The Year
Dec 31, 2012 - The Air Force's most expensive fighter jet ever has been the center of national controversy after problems with the oxygen system. With the "grounding" of an F-22 at Tyndall Air Force Base in May and a crash on the base in November, the scrutiny only increased.

Even the cost of the plane has been contested. The Air Force has claimed the cost of the plane was between $140 and $190 million, but the Congressional Budget Office has said the stealth fighter has cost the U.S. government more than $400 million per plane. Regardless of the cost, the Air Force has spent millions more investigating problems with the F-22. The problems at Tyndall started this past spring. On May 31, a Raptor landed on its belly after the landing gear was not properly deployed. Little information has been released about the incident other than it was believed to be "pilot error."

On Nov. 15, an F-22 slammed into the ground, nearly obliterating the plane in the crash which occurred inside the base grounds at the end of a runway. The pilot safely ejected from the plane and was treated and released from a local hospital. Officials at the time said the pilot was about five miles from the base when as-yet unidentified problem occurred.

Oxygen questions

Questions regarding the oxygen system being at the center of the Tyndall crash were quickly dismissed by Air Force officials. The November incident remains under investigation. Still, the F-22 has been plagued with a string of incidents of pilots experiencing hypoxia symptoms dating back several years. An Associated Press investigation revealed Air Force officials were aware of flaws as early as 2005. More recently, the Air Force has contended a valve inside the flight gear of an F-22 pilot allowed a "pressure garment" vest to inflate when it shouldn't, causing hypoxia symptoms in the pilot. Earlier this year, Air Force officials said they fixed the problem. But, Air Combat Command in Langley, Va., said they were inundated with requests for a response regarding the two pilots from the Virginia Air National Guard who said in a report May 6 on CBS' "60 Minutes" that they do not feel safe flying the F-22 Raptor -- and that they are not alone.

F-22 Raptor pilots Jeremy Gordon and Josh Wilson said they came forward for the safety of all pilots involved. The pilots said they loved flying the F-22 but had experienced hypoxia, which investigators said could stem from a malfunctioning onboard oxygen system. The problems grounded the F-22 for months, including at Tyndall Air Force Base in 2011, where F-22 pilots train. Pierre Sprey, who helped develop the A-10 and F-16 jets, said he believes the glues that hold the F-22 stealth "skin" in place is emanating chemicals that are making the pilots sick. The Air Force has downplayed Sprey's accusations. On top off all that, the time schedule for the 7th Fighter Wing Squadron move from New Mexico to Tyndall was delayed. The new fighter squadron of F-22 Raptors originally was scheduled to arrive in January.

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[waltky]

Uncle Ferd says dey's copyin' off our F-35...

China gives glimpse of its J-31 stealth fighter
Nov. 13, 2014 | China has given attendees at an international air show a brief glimpse of its new J-31 stealth fighter

China this week partially lifted the veil on its new J-31 stealth fighter, using the aircraft for an aerial display at an international airshow. The prototype aircraft, with twin-engines and said to have features similar to the stealth F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter from Lockheed Martin, maneuvered in the sky above the 10th China International Aviation & Space Exhibition in Zhuhai, southern China, but only a mockup appeared on static display.

The aircraft from AVIC, or Aviation Industry Corporation of China, is about 55 feet in length, with a wingspan of 38 feet. Its propulsion systems are, for the time being, Russian made. Other features include two internal weapons bays in addition to weapon hardpoints on the wings, much like the F-35. At the airshow, the aircraft was designated FC-31. FC is a designation used by the Chinese for an aircraft for export.

Additional aircraft specifications were unavailable. So, too, was an expected date for production of the aircraft. Display of the plane coincided with a visit to China by U.S. President Barack Obama, whose administration has expressed concern over the buildup of Chinese military power and the country's aggressive regional policies in territorial disputes, notably in the South China Sea.

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[Manonthestreet]

Ox prob fixed long ago

IR sig not addressed

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Did China Get Plans for Our Semi-Secret F-22 Raptor And Copy It? See the Alleged Pictures
The Blaze ^ | 6/14/12 | Liz Klimas

Last week, the blog China Defense posted two photos, nearly identical, with only one line of text: “Just in case you might get confused, only one bird below is the J-20.”

The J-20 stealth fighter is the creation of the Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group for the People’s Liberation Army in China. About a year and a half ago, the People’s Liberation Army conducted its first tests of the aircraft, which is expected to be fully operational sometime between 2017 and 2019.


Looking at the comparison, it seems like they may have been some leaks. In fact, this comparison image is screaming espionage and reverse engineering with a 20,000-watt speaker right on Uncle Sam’s face. A 20,000-watt speaker made in China.

Blog Compares China’s J-20 With the U.S. F-22 Raptor With Some Citing ‘Reverse Engineering’ | Video | TheBlaze.com

If China copied the Raptor then in case of war we might not be able to break their airpower.

I would have hit the ChiComs Intel infrastructure with an EMP ages ago.

 

[waltky]

Now China got two stealth fighter jets...

China Unveils New Stealth Fighter
November 01, 2016 - China debuted its J-20 stealth fighter Tuesday at Airshow China in the southern city of Zhuhai.

Two J-20s made a brief appearance in the show's opening ceremonies, performing a series of maneuvers and generating enough noise to set off car alarms in a nearby parking lot, Reuters reported. The warplane is China's second stealth fighter. The J-31 was unveiled to the public at the Zhuhai airshow two years ago.

China unveils its J-20 stealth fighter during an air show in Zhuhai, Guangdong Province, China​

While the J-31 is expected to be China's entrant in the global arms market, the J-20 – which resembles the U.S.'s F-22 Raptor – is unlikely to be exported. "This is the airplane for China in the way that the J-31 is not," an aviation industry official told Reuters. "This is the one they develop for themselves." The capabilities of the J-20 remain unknown. The aircraft's brief appearance Tuesday gave observers little insight into the plane's stealth, performance or firepower capabilities. And airshow attendees won't be able to see the fighter on the ground in Zhuhai.

An unnamed Chinese air force official told the South China Morning Post the airplane contains "many of China's top technologies in stealth aircraft, plus other military secrets." The official said some of those secrets would be compromised if experts got an up-close look at the aircraft's wings and body. Other planes scheduled to appear at the airshow include the Y-20 transport aircraft and the AG600, a flying boat billed by airshow organizers as the largest amphibious plane currently in production.

China Unveils New Stealth Fighter

 

[Daryl Hunt]

You can make it look like a 5th gen but making it a real one is hard and takes decades. I will believe that the F-20 is what it claims when it proves it is. Not until. Like the PAKFA. Turns out it just looks like a 5th gen but fall very short when it tries to fly like one.