Did Brennan Admit to Using Reverse Targeting to Spy on the Trump Campaign?

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    Did Brennan Admit to Using Reverse Targeting to Spy on the Trump Campaign?
    BY JEFF CARLSON
    Updated: August 20, 2018interview, Brennan was discussing concerns about Russian contacts with U.S. citizens during the 2016 presidential election.

    “I was very concerned and aware that the Russians were trying to leverage U.S. citizens in order to achieve their objectives in the presidential election,” Brennan said.

    Despite Brennan’s apparent concerns, he admitted that these contacts may have been completely innocent—there was no proof that these same U.S. citizens had been successfully leveraged by Russian efforts. But that surveillance moved forward anyway. This surveillance may have occurred before and after the election. From Brennan’s interview:

    BRENNAN: When I left office on January 20th of 2017, I had unresolved questions in my mind about whether or not any of those U.S. persons were working in support of the Russian efforts.

    MADDOW: And those were referred—those concerns about specific U.S. persons—referred to the FBI.

    BRENNAN: We call it incidental collection in terms of CIA’s foreign intelligence collection authorities. Any time we would incidentally collect information on a U.S. person, we would hand that over to the FBI because they have the legal authority to do it. We would not pursue that type of investigative, you know, sort of, leads. We would give it to the FBI.

    So, we were picking things up that was of great relevance to the FBI, and we wanted to make sure that they were there—so they could piece it together with whatever they were collecting domestically here.

    That’s not how incidental collection is supposed to work. More importantly, the collection described by Brennan doesn’t sound incidental. The surveillance sounds targeted.

    Unlike the surveillance of Trump foreign policy advisor Carter Page, which used a traditional FISA Warrant granted by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, the surveillance being described by Brennan occurred under Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).

    Traditional FISA Surveillance relates to electronic surveillance and physical searches of non-U.S. persons, facilities, or property inside the United States.

    Section 702 Surveillance allows for targeted surveillance of foreign individuals located outside the United States for the purpose of acquiring foreign intelligence information.

    A “significant” purpose of the surveillance must be to obtain “foreign intelligence information” and U.S. Citizens cannot be intentionally targeted. Provisions known as minimization procedures are intended to protect information “incidentally collected” on U.S. citizens in the course of foreign surveillance.

    Unlike traditional FISA surveillance, Section 702 surveillance is not subject to individual FISA Court approvals.

    Unfortunately, significant loopholes exist regarding data collection under Section 702. For example, the FBI can “search” collected information using terms that relate to U.S. citizens. And they can do so without a warrant.

    Reverse targeting is one technique specifically prohibited under Section 702. Reverse targeting relates to the targeting of a foreign individual with the intent of capturing data on a U.S. citizen.

    What Brennan discussed in the interview with Maddow sounds notably similar to reverse targeting. It also sounds eerily close to what the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), disclosed in March last year.

    On March 22, 2017, after learning of surveillance on the Trump transition team, Nunes gave an impromptu press conference where he made some startling comments:

    “I have seen intelligence reports that clearly show the President-elect and his team were monitored and disseminated out in intelligence reporting channels. Details about persons associated with the incoming administration, details with little apparent foreign intelligence value were widely disseminated in intelligence community reporting.

    From what I know right now, it looks like incidental collection. We don’t know exactly how that was picked up but we’re trying to get to the bottom of it.

    This appears to be all legally collected foreign intelligence under FISA, where there was incidental collection that then ended up in reporting channels and was widely disseminated. It’s official IC information. These were intelligence reports. It brings up a lot of concerns about whether things were properly minimized or not.”

    And it wasn’t just the Section 702 information gathering. There appeared to have been a significant amount of coordination and cooperation between the FBI & CIA:

    MADDOW: So, it’s an intelligence sharing operation between…

    BRENNAN: Right. We put together a Fusion Center at CIA that brought NSA and FBI officers together with CIA to make sure that those proverbial dots would be connected.

    It’s possible that Brennan’s describing the Multi-Agency Task Force referred to in a BBC article:

    “Last April, the CIA director was shown intelligence that worried him…It was passed to the US by an intelligence agency of one of the Baltic States. The CIA cannot act domestically against American citizens so a joint counter-intelligence taskforce was created. The taskforce included six agencies or departments of government.”

    It sounds like the legal envelope was being pushed in regards to the CIA’s domestic involvement and investigative pursuit. It also sounds like a coordinated effort to process and share the collected information Brennan referred to during his interview.

    More importantly, it sounds like the CIA may have used targeted collection of Section 702 Data, skipped the minimization requirements, and fed the raw surveillance data directly to the FBI.

    It would be helpful if the former CIA Director would provide some clarification of his remarks.

    What exactly, did he mean by, “Any time we would incidentally collect information on a U.S. person, we would hand that over to the FBI because they have the legal authority to do it”?

    Was this targeted Section 702 surveillance using reverse targeting techniques? Was this being done on all U.S. persons, or did this particular description apply only to specific individuals? Were standard minimization procedures correctly followed by the FBI and CIA?

    Incidental collection happens all the time. U.S. citizens are inadvertently caught in foreign surveillance. But Brennan’s comments sounded specific to certain U.S. citizens. Brennan’s comments sounded like a description of the activities Nunes uncovered in March 2017.

    A closer examination is needed. Perhaps we’ll get one from the Department of Justice Inspector General’s pending Report on FISA Abuse. Because it sounded like Brennan may have admitted to something close to the illegal targeted surveillance of U.S. citizens.

    Did Brennan Admit to Using Reverse Targeting to Spy on the Trump Campaign?


    Weird how Brennen had no issue with blurring the lines on his authority with regard to surveillance.
     
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    The 2 hop rule.

    You gotta love when our intelligence apparatus is used to spy on Americans who threaten the Deep State.
     
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    Of course not. Did Brennan Admit to Using Reverse Targeting to Spy on the Trump Campaign?
     
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    That is the goons MO....when the truth is closing in on them they start to slowly admit their crimes as if it will be ignored....the left wing media will not pay it any attention but we will...
     
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    “I was very concerned and aware that the Russians were trying to leverage U.S. citizens in order to achieve their objectives in the presidential election,” Brennan said.

    He means himself, Obama, Hillary Clinton, James Comey, McCabe, Strozk, Ohr and Company.

    Am I Right?

    They were the ones distributing and promoting Russian Propaganda.

    They were the ones who were "leveraged".

    The worst part about it is they willingly allowed themselves to be leveraged and were so desperate to hold on to power that they actually paid Putin $14 Million to help them defeat Donald Trump, or help get him booted out of office after the fact.

    Want Proof?

    There is no "HILLARY CLINTON DOSSIER"

    If THE RUSSIANS wanted Donald Trump to Win, they had a funny way of showing it!!!!!!
     
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    "Reverse" targeting? You almost gotta laugh if it wasn't so tragic. The CIA couldn't figure out why foreign jihadists wanted to go to flight school in the U.S. during the Clinton administration but they think they have Trump's alleged collusion worked out. Drain the freaking swamp before it's too late.
     
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    How is this blurring the lines? This is how it works, the CIA picks up intelligence on a foreign agent. In that process they pick up a US national. That information is then past down to the FBI. Now this process doesn't mean the CIA is completely out of the process. It might be helpful for instance that they give the FBI information they have developed on the foreign agent. To provide context ( what the relationship is between the foreign agent and the US national. What they can't do is do their own investigation on the US national. The importance of these mechanisms were highlighted by 9/11. If the CIA and the FBI had had better inter agency communication, chances are the plot would have been uncovered.
     

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