Dick Durbin calls Obama a LIAR!!!

[PatekPhilippe]

Today on the Senate floor Durbin said healthcare premiums WILL NOT GO DOWN and that the Administration needs to quit saying that!!!!

Then Nancy Pelosi in the House said we need to pass the Healthcare Bill so "we can find out what's in it....."

The Democrats are slowy turning Congress into Bozo's Bigtop Circus!!!!!

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Today on the Senate floor Durbin said healthcare premiums WILL NOT GO DOWN and that the Administration needs to quit saying that!!!!

Then Nancy Pelosi in the House said we need to pass the Healthcare Bill so "we can find out what's in it....."

The Democrats are slowy turning Congress into Bozo's Bigtop Circus!!!!!
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[The Rabbi]

The insurance industry's own institute said premiums would skyrocket. How could they not? If you force them to accept pre-existing conditions and accept other insured's currently not eligible because they cost too much, who is going to pay for that extra risk? You can't legislate risk away. Of course premiums will rise.
The administration is in campaign mode, willing to say or do anything to get this turd passed. The joke will be on House Dems who are being promised a bill to "fix" the problems with teh Senate bill. Anyone who believes that will happen is dreaming. Obama will hang them out to dry.

 

[Granny]

I agree with Sen. Durbin. All things considered, I don't know why anybody doesn't know that Obama lies.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Sorry, the role of Bozo has been filled

 

[Claudette]

The insurance industry's own institute said premiums would skyrocket. How could they not? If you force them to accept pre-existing conditions and accept other insured's currently not eligible because they cost too much, who is going to pay for that extra risk? You can't legislate risk away. Of course premiums will rise.
The administration is in campaign mode, willing to say or do anything to get this turd passed. The joke will be on House Dems who are being promised a bill to "fix" the problems with teh Senate bill. Anyone who believes that will happen is dreaming. Obama will hang them out to dry.

Your so right.

You can't throw millions into the system without costs going through the roof.

Hell. If this clusterfuck passes we will be paying on i for 5 yrs before anyone sees a benefit. That is if there is a benefit to see. Jeeze.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

This is just another excuse for Obama to raise ALL taxes to pay for his bullshit entitlement programs...nothing new from Hopey Changey

 

[beowolfe]

Since you all argue that no one read the bill, why would you believe what ANYONE says about the bill. For those of you who are interested, read the CBO analysis for yourself.

Preliminary Analysis of Major Provisions Related to Health Insurance Coverage Under the Affordable Health Choices Act

 

[The Rabbi]

Since you all argue that no one read the bill, why would you believe what ANYONE says about the bill. For those of you who are interested, read the CBO analysis for yourself.

Preliminary Analysis of Major Provisions Related to Health Insurance Coverage Under the Affordable Health Choices Act

The CBO analysis is deeply flawed and relies on unrealistic assumptions provided by the Democrats. This is a proven fact. Every independent analysis has said it will increase expenses. It cant fail to do so.

 

[beowolfe]

Since you all argue that no one read the bill, why would you believe what ANYONE says about the bill. For those of you who are interested, read the CBO analysis for yourself.

Preliminary Analysis of Major Provisions Related to Health Insurance Coverage Under the Affordable Health Choices Act

The CBO analysis is deeply flawed and relies on unrealistic assumptions provided by the Democrats. This is a proven fact. Every independent analysis has said it will increase expenses. It cant fail to do so.

What unrealistic assumptions?

 

[Zoom-boing]

According to Obama's number crunchers this thing is a fiscal nightmare.

RealClearPolitics - Video - Rep. Ryan: Health Bill More About "Ideology" Than Health Care Policy


Then there's the accounting gimmicks.

Meanwhile, Orszag fails to address the relevant criticisms made by deficit neutrality skeptics. First is that the bill's supporters double count the Medicare savings. According to a December report by Orszag's trusted arbiter, the CBO, the bill will either reduce the deficit or extend the solvency of Medicare, not both. (And for what it's worth, Medicare's chief actuary agrees.) Yet as recently as March 10—yesterday—Obama was claiming that his health care plan would "help ensure Medicare’s solvency for an additional decade." Great! But according to the CBO, that means the bill won't actually cut the deficit.

The other problem is that, in an effort to elicit a better score for the bill, the "doc fix"—an expensive, unfunded change in the way doctor's Medicare payments are made—was excluded from the bill. So, as scored, the bill assumes that there will be a massive cut in Medicare payments to doctors that almost certainly will not occur.

The liberal argument for this is that the doc fix would have to be passed no matter what, so it shouldn't count towards the health care bill's score. Maybe so, but that's not what House Democrats thought when they drew up their initial draft of the legislation. And Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid was more than willing to hold the fix over doctors' heads in order to ensure that they would support the Democrats' reform legislation.

And what does our good friend the CBO say? Well, if you enact the doc fix in conjunction with Obama's health care overhaul, it adds $89 billion to the deficit over the first ten years.

The White House Kindly Requests You Do Not Refer to Its Health Care Budget Gimmicks as "Gimmicks" - Hit & Run : Reason Magazine

 

[driveby]

Today on the Senate floor Durbin said healthcare premiums WILL NOT GO DOWN and that the Administration needs to quit saying that!!!!

Then Nancy Pelosi in the House said we need to pass the Healthcare Bill so "we can find out what's in it....."

The Democrats are slowy turning Congress into Bozo's Bigtop Circus!!!!!
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Everything he said is true and all you have is a lame attempt at demonizing him, sooper ! ... :clap2:

 

[JakeStarkey]

The insurance industry's own institute said premiums would skyrocket. How could they not? If you force them to accept pre-existing conditions and accept other insured's currently not eligible because they cost too much, who is going to pay for that extra risk? You can't legislate risk away. Of course premiums will rise.
The administration is in campaign mode, willing to say or do anything to get this turd passed. The joke will be on House Dems who are being promised a bill to "fix" the problems with teh Senate bill. Anyone who believes that will happen is dreaming. Obama will hang them out to dry.

Of course the industry's trade association says that. They would be crazy not to lie.

 

[driveby]

The insurance industry's own institute said premiums would skyrocket. How could they not? If you force them to accept pre-existing conditions and accept other insured's currently not eligible because they cost too much, who is going to pay for that extra risk? You can't legislate risk away. Of course premiums will rise.
The administration is in campaign mode, willing to say or do anything to get this turd passed. The joke will be on House Dems who are being promised a bill to "fix" the problems with teh Senate bill. Anyone who believes that will happen is dreaming. Obama will hang them out to dry.

Of course the industry's trade association says that. They would be crazy not to lie.

They're not lying, Obama and left wing kooks like you are ......

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Since you all argue that no one read the bill, why would you believe what ANYONE says about the bill. For those of you who are interested, read the CBO analysis for yourself.

Preliminary Analysis of Major Provisions Related to Health Insurance Coverage Under the Affordable Health Choices Act

The CBO analysis is deeply flawed and relies on unrealistic assumptions provided by the Democrats. This is a proven fact. Every independent analysis has said it will increase expenses. It cant fail to do so.

What unrealistic assumptions?

If you're stupid enough to go out and buy a car...pay on it for 4 years....and then pick up your 2010 car from the dealership in 2014, then continue paying for it another 6 years, go right ahead....it acutely describes your utter stupidity....furthermore it clearly demonstrates WHAT A FUCKING SCAM THIS WHOLE GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE SCHEME IS!!!!. If your too ignorant to see that the whole CBO argument is BULLSHIT because of the pay for 10 years and get 6 years of benefit dupe that the CON MAN President is pulling on you then you are even too stupid to post messages here any further...now there....that's a post you can neg rep me for beowolfe.

 

[The Rabbi]

The CBO analysis is deeply flawed and relies on unrealistic assumptions provided by the Democrats. This is a proven fact. Every independent analysis has said it will increase expenses. It cant fail to do so.

What unrealistic assumptions?

If you're stupid enough to go out and buy a car...pay on it for 4 years....and then pick up your 2010 car from the dealership in 2014, then continue paying for it another 6 years, go right ahead....it acutely describes your utter stupidity....furthermore it clearly demonstrates WHAT A FUCKING SCAM THIS WHOLE GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE SCHEME IS!!!!. If your too ignorant to see that the whole CBO argument is BULLSHIT because of the pay for 10 years and get 6 years of benefit dupe that the CON MAN President is pulling on you then you are even too stupid to post messages here any further...now there....that's a post you can neg rep me for beowolfe.

Patek, that's only part of it. The deception does not end there.
The bill also assumes savings by cutting Medicare. Every time they have cut Medicare the Congress has voted to restore funding. Why is this going to be different?
But the CBO scoring also is good for just the first decade, when as you say payments precede benefits. After that they admit they can't score the thing.
and there is other stuff in there too that came out at the "bipartisan" meeting.

 

[Ame®icano]

The insurance industry's own institute said premiums would skyrocket. How could they not? If you force them to accept pre-existing conditions and accept other insured's currently not eligible because they cost too much, who is going to pay for that extra risk? You can't legislate risk away. Of course premiums will rise.
The administration is in campaign mode, willing to say or do anything to get this turd passed. The joke will be on House Dems who are being promised a bill to "fix" the problems with teh Senate bill. Anyone who believes that will happen is dreaming. Obama will hang them out to dry.

"Just three years after Medicare was passed, a 1968 Tax Foundation study found that public spending on medical care had nearly doubled in the first few years of Medicare. The report concluded, "To date, the major demonstrable effect of the 1965 federal legislation creating Medicare and Medicaid has been a shift in financing medical care from the private to the public sector. - New York Times, September 9, 1968."

It's the same story today, they selling us story that prices will go down. They wont.

Even LBJ was lying about it back in sixties.

Johnson maneuvered every step of the way getting this bill through Congress, and one of the things he did — and this is a little dicey in today's climate — was suppress the costs. So this young kid gets elected from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy, in 1962, and Johnson is explaining to him [over the phone] how you get a health bill through. And what he tells him is don't let them get the costs projected too far out because it will scare other people:

"A health program yesterday runs $300 million, but the fools had to go to projecting it down the road five or six years, and when you project it the first year, it runs $900 million. Now I don't know whether I would approve $900 million second year or not. I might approve 450 or 500. But the first thing Dick Russell comes running in saying, 'My God, you've got a billion-dollar program for next year on health, therefore I'm against any of it now.' Do you follow me?"

Lying for Health Care Reform - LBJ's Example for Today's Democrats

 

[PatekPhilippe]

What unrealistic assumptions?

If you're stupid enough to go out and buy a car...pay on it for 4 years....and then pick up your 2010 car from the dealership in 2014, then continue paying for it another 6 years, go right ahead....it acutely describes your utter stupidity....furthermore it clearly demonstrates WHAT A FUCKING SCAM THIS WHOLE GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE SCHEME IS!!!!. If your too ignorant to see that the whole CBO argument is BULLSHIT because of the pay for 10 years and get 6 years of benefit dupe that the CON MAN President is pulling on you then you are even too stupid to post messages here any further...now there....that's a post you can neg rep me for beowolfe.

Patek, that's only part of it. The deception does not end there.
The bill also assumes savings by cutting Medicare. Every time they have cut Medicare the Congress has voted to restore funding. Why is this going to be different?
But the CBO scoring also is good for just the first decade, when as you say payments precede benefits. After that they admit they can't score the thing.
and there is other stuff in there too that came out at the "bipartisan" meeting.

I just find it unconscientable that the Democrats are bound and determined to commit political suicide with this flawed bill just to say "we won, you lost." This is what it is all about. They could care less what happens to the country or the future generations of Americans...as long as they win.

Welcome to a bullshit high school popularity contest.

The immaturity of you Dem's is pathetic.

 

[The Rabbi]

If you're stupid enough to go out and buy a car...pay on it for 4 years....and then pick up your 2010 car from the dealership in 2014, then continue paying for it another 6 years, go right ahead....it acutely describes your utter stupidity....furthermore it clearly demonstrates WHAT A FUCKING SCAM THIS WHOLE GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE SCHEME IS!!!!. If your too ignorant to see that the whole CBO argument is BULLSHIT because of the pay for 10 years and get 6 years of benefit dupe that the CON MAN President is pulling on you then you are even too stupid to post messages here any further...now there....that's a post you can neg rep me for beowolfe.

Patek, that's only part of it. The deception does not end there.
The bill also assumes savings by cutting Medicare. Every time they have cut Medicare the Congress has voted to restore funding. Why is this going to be different?
But the CBO scoring also is good for just the first decade, when as you say payments precede benefits. After that they admit they can't score the thing.
and there is other stuff in there too that came out at the "bipartisan" meeting.

I just find it unconscientable that the Democrats are bound and determined to commit political suicide with this flawed bill just to say "we won, you lost." This is what it is all about. They could care less what happens to the country or the future generations of Americans...as long as they win.

Welcome to a bullshit high school popularity contest.

The immaturity of you Dem's is pathetic.

I think it's largely being driven by Obama and his advisors. They desperately want this to prove they can get legislation passed. They have been spanked on everything else for the last 9 months. They are so desperate they will tkae a Pyrrhic victory. Good policy is the last thing on their minds.

 

[saveliberty]

Since you all argue that no one read the bill, why would you believe what ANYONE says about the bill. For those of you who are interested, read the CBO analysis for yourself.

Preliminary Analysis of Major Provisions Related to Health Insurance Coverage Under the Affordable Health Choices Act

Yes, the wonderful CBO, that takes all the rules and numbers given to it and renders possible results. The CBO or its equivalent has been wrong on every social program's cost. With even the slightest bit of honesty you could at least admit this plan doesn't reduce health care costs. Most of the leadership has already noted the RATE of increase is suppose to decrease. I guess that makes it affordable now and less affordable later huh?