Dick Cheney should really stop playing the blame game.

[Vast LWC]

LWC, do you think anything in the memo has changed today?

NO I DON'T.

Nor am I trying to blame the Bush administration for 9/11.

What I am saying, specifically, is one thing, which I have repeated over and over again:

If you blame Obama for the Christmas Bomber (which I don't)...

...then you must logically blame bush for 9/11. (which I don't)

Both situations are the same. They both relied on pre-existing infrastructures to take care of the problem.

In Obama's case, he had a general sense that something like this would probably be happening.

In Bush's case, he had a more specific, but still relatively general sense that something would be happening.

And not one of you have proven this point to be innacurate.

 

[Vast LWC]

and the FBI and CIA were investigating it...what part of the memo where that is said escapes your steel-trap like mind.

And the Christmas Bomber was being investgated.

 

[Annie]

LWC, do you think anything in the memo has changed today?

NO I DON'T.

Nor am I trying to blame the Bush administration for 9/11.

What I am saying, specifically, is one thing, which I have repeated over and over again:

If you blame Obama for the Christmas Bomber (which I don't)...

...then you must logically blame bush for 9/11. (which I don't)

Both situations are the same. They both relied on pre-existing infrastructures to take care of the problem.

In Obama's case, he had a general sense that something like this would probably be happening.

In Bush's case, he had a more specific, but still relatively general sense that something would be happening.

And not one of you have proven this point to be innacurate.

What you fail to understand is the logical fallacy you set up. Bush didn't have 9/11 as a parameter setter. Obama did and he dismantled the ability to connect the dots.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

and the FBI and CIA were investigating it...what part of the memo where that is said escapes your steel-trap like mind.

And the Christmas Bomber was being investgated.

Apparently not....Obama has admitted as much in the last week. The bomber was added to a list and forgotten about.

 

[Vast LWC]

At the time those people were operating on the criminal investigation, no way were we 'at war.' We are now back to the same mindset, which was probably why the CIA wanted to talk to the crotch bomber, 'after the plane landed.' They let a known terrorist board a plane to the US.

Significant difference and illustrates just how insecure we are, no matter the porno shots at airports now. Obama's response to those charged with keeping us safe, "Do what you did, just faster and smarter." There's direction for you!

And the Bush administration supposedly put trillions of dollars worth of anti-terrorist infrastructure in place during his 8 years, which apparently meant jack-shit.

The 9/11 plot was on a much larger scale, included many, many people, and caused 3000+ deaths.

Thus it should have been MUCH easier to detect than one guy on an airplane boarding in a different country, with a bomb in his underwear.

Again, I do not personally blame Bush for 9/11, but logic dictates that if you feel Obama is responsible for the Christmas Bomber, then Bush must be responsible for 9/11.

 

[Vast LWC]

Apparently not....Obama has admitted as much in the last week. The bomber was added to a list and forgotten about.

The fact that we had all that data on him means he was being investigated.

The place the system failed was letting him on the airplane.

 

[Annie]

At the time those people were operating on the criminal investigation, no way were we 'at war.' We are now back to the same mindset, which was probably why the CIA wanted to talk to the crotch bomber, 'after the plane landed.' They let a known terrorist board a plane to the US.

Significant difference and illustrates just how insecure we are, no matter the porno shots at airports now. Obama's response to those charged with keeping us safe, "Do what you did, just faster and smarter." There's direction for you!

And the Bush administration supposedly put trillions of dollars worth of anti-terrorist infrastructure in place during his 8 years, which apparently meant jack-shit.

The 9/11 plot was on a much larger scale, included many, many people, and caused 3000+ deaths.

Thus it should have been MUCH easier to detect than one guy on an airplane boarding in a different country, with a bomb in his underwear.

Again, I do not personally blame Bush for 9/11, but logic dictates that if you feel Obama is responsible for the Christmas Bomber, then Bush must be responsible for 9/11.

Ummm, still haven't looked at what Obama did during his second day in office, huh. Not my problem you keep posting ignorantly.

 

[Vast LWC]

What you fail to understand is the logical fallacy you set up. Bush didn't have 9/11 as a parameter setter. Obama did and he dismantled the ability to connect the dots.

On a much smaller-scale operation consisting of one guy with a bomb in his shorts.

And Obama didn't "dismantle" anything at all.

The only thing right-wingers have been able to try to use to prove that he did is some bullshit about "Miranda Rights", which have no bearing on the case at hand.

 

[Vast LWC]

Ummm, still haven't looked at what Obama did during his second day in office, huh. Not my problem you keep posting ignorantly.

OK, tell us exactly, specifically what he did, and how it had any bearing, specifically, on this case.

 

[Intense]

I think Dick Cheney is playing "The Emperor's New Clothes", not "The Blame Game".

 

[Meister]

and the FBI and CIA were investigating it...what part of the memo where that is said escapes your steel-trap like mind.

And the Christmas Bomber was being investgated.

Apparently not....Obama has admitted as much in the last week. The bomber was added to a list and forgotten about.

Yep, there was an epic fail in the administration on National Security. The bomber should have been on the no-fly list immediately once the father stepped forward with the info. Britain put him on the no-fly list in their country, but with our failure he wasn't. I hold Napolitiano responsible for that action, and I hold Obama responsible of his actions of not taking the WAR ON TERROR serious enough.
Man made disasters? WTF, talk about down playing.

 

[Annie]

Ummm, still haven't looked at what Obama did during his second day in office, huh. Not my problem you keep posting ignorantly.

OK, tell us exactly, specifically what he did, and how it had any bearing, specifically, on this case.

Again, the link was provided earlier, I'm not doing your research for you.

 

[Vast LWC]

You posted a link to the Bush Memo, and then a link to Google News.

Which link tells us specifically what Mr Obama did to "dismantle" Bush Anti-Terrorism apparatus that's related to this case?

 

[Liability]

You posted a link to the Bush Memo, and then a link to Google News.

Which link tells us specifically what Mr Obama did to "dismantle" Bush Anti-Terrorism apparatus that's related to this case?

Good grief. Vastly Ignorant cannot even use Google?

For a chuckle, I entered a question into Google, "what did President Obama do officially in his second day in Office?" (paraphrased here.)

I got a lot of links. One was the Huff'n'puff Post.

* * * *
Executive orders signed by the new president would order the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, shut within a year, require the closure of any remaining secret CIA "black site" prisons abroad and bar CIA interrogators of detainees from using harsh techniques already banned for military questioners.

That includes physical abuse such as waterboarding, a technique that creates the sensation of drowning and has been termed torture by critics at home and abroad. * * * *

Obama's Second Day Focuses On Foreign Affairs

 

[Annie]

You posted a link to the Bush Memo, and then a link to Google News.

Which link tells us specifically what Mr Obama did to "dismantle" Bush Anti-Terrorism apparatus that's related to this case?

Good grief. Vastly Ignorant cannot even use Google?

For a chuckle, I entered a question into Google, "what did President Obama do officially in his second day in Office?" (paraphrased here.)

I got a lot of links. One was the Huff'n'puff Post.

* * * *
Executive orders signed by the new president would order the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, shut within a year, require the closure of any remaining secret CIA "black site" prisons abroad and bar CIA interrogators of detainees from using harsh techniques already banned for military questioners.
That includes physical abuse such as waterboarding, a technique that creates the sensation of drowning and has been termed torture by critics at home and abroad. * * * *

Obama's Second Day Focuses On Foreign Affairs

I gave the link to this story on related thread. Poor LWC just can't follow.

 

[potter 58]

so if they were already banned, whats the big fucking deal, It MUST MEAN OMG, Bush made us less safe before he left office

 

[Vast LWC]

Good grief. Vastly Ignorant cannot even use Google?

For a chuckle, I entered a question into Google, "what did President Obama do officially in his second day in Office?" (paraphrased here.)

I got a lot of links. One was the Huff'n'puff Post.

* * * *
Executive orders signed by the new president would order the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, shut within a year, require the closure of any remaining secret CIA "black site" prisons abroad and bar CIA interrogators of detainees from using harsh techniques already banned for military questioners.

That includes physical abuse such as waterboarding, a technique that creates the sensation of drowning and has been termed torture by critics at home and abroad. * * * *

Obama's Second Day Focuses On Foreign Affairs

Okie doke, putting aside that the poster claimed that they had already posted a link proving their point...

How, specifically, did either of these events have any bearing on the case at hand, which was what I asked?

Since, as you folks pointed out, we already had the information on this guy that we needed, why would it have made any difference whether we waterboarded anyone or not?

 

[Liability]

Good grief. Vastly Ignorant cannot even use Google?

For a chuckle, I entered a question into Google, "what did President Obama do officially in his second day in Office?" (paraphrased here.)

I got a lot of links. One was the Huff'n'puff Post.

* * * *
Executive orders signed by the new president would order the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, shut within a year, require the closure of any remaining secret CIA "black site" prisons abroad and bar CIA interrogators of detainees from using harsh techniques already banned for military questioners.

That includes physical abuse such as waterboarding, a technique that creates the sensation of drowning and has been termed torture by critics at home and abroad. * * * *

Obama's Second Day Focuses On Foreign Affairs

Okie doke, putting aside that the poster claimed that they had already posted a link proving their point...

How, specifically, did either of these events have any bearing on the case at hand, which was what I asked?

Since, as you folks pointed out, we already had the information on this guy that we needed, why would it have made any difference whether we waterboarded anyone or not?

We had some information. The Administration which portayed "terrorists" as a politically incorrect word used only by the ignorant could not be bothered to put the information to good use primarily because of that kind of "thinking." Had those irrationally, dangerously myopic stupid Executive Orders NOT been signed (and had the President perhaps instead proceeded to order that such progams be extended, sending the clear message to our intelligence people and our armed forces that we WANT to learn what we need to know), maybe we could have gleaned enough additional information to make us snap out of our lethargy!

The President set the tone and tenor.

By the way, I gave the man props (and I meant it) when he accepted responsibility for the near disaster on Christmas. He was absolutely right to state it. But that's not enough. If he wants to avoid such shit in the future, he has to start leading this war like he actually MEANS it.

And those idiotic Executive Orders are antithetical to such thinking. Politically correct terms like human caused overseas contingencies or that kind of pablum -- rather than bluntly calling terrorists "TERRORISTS" (not "criminals" or some other watered-down alternative terminology) -- is PART of the PROBLEM. He and he alone can reverse that kind of mind-numbingly useless way of comprehending the problem. Like an alcoholic who hasn't yet figured out that his drinking is causing all the problems, the President can never fully address the problem of Islamofascist Terrorism until he drops the "PC" bullshit and confronts that it IS a problem.

Because of the programs this PREDECESSOR put into effect, yes, we DID have some intel about the underpants bomber. But given the lethargic attitude toward the underlying actual problem, the Obama Administration allowed the attempt to get implemented. But-for the failure of the explosive to work as expected and but-for the actions of the PASSENGERS, al qaeda would have committed another successful terrorist attack. The Obama Administration can take NO credit for the failure of that attack. Had it succeeded, they would deserve all the blame.

By pure luck, perhaps by Divine Providence, we dodged a bullet. I only hope that it has opened this President's eyes. I doubt it has opened yours.

 

[Annie]

...
By pure luck, perhaps by Divine Providence, we dodged a bullet. I only hope that it has opened this President's eyes. I doubt it has opened yours.

But we haven't. The guy was singing about contacts then was treated to criminals USA. Now he's quiet, we're more threatened than necessary and it's by administrative choice.

 

[Vast LWC]

But we haven't. The guy was singing about contacts then was treated to criminals USA. Now he's quiet, we're more threatened than necessary and it's by administrative choice.

LOL. Do you always just make shit up like this? Or did you get this from someone else who makes shit up?