Detroit has some suggestions for who the emergency manager should be

[novasteve]

Just so I understand.

The Republicans here are defending "take overs" and they have no faith in democracy.

Perhaps that's why they support "voter suppression"?

Look at the libturd crying that illegal aliens won't be able to vote anymore.

 

[Foxfyre]

Voter suppression is not the problem with Detroit.
Liberals are not the problem with Detroit
Conservatives are not the problem with Detroit.
Democrats are not the problem with Detroit.
Republicans are not the problem with Detroit.

The problem with Detroit is a false concept that people should be able to get something for nothing, and are entitled to what they have not earned.

Whomever is chosen to fix Detroit will do so ONLY by encouraging private sector growth, discouraging the entitlement mentality, and re-establishing a work ethic that does not depend on contributions by others.

 

[The Rabbi]

Voter suppression is not the problem with Detroit.
Liberals are not the problem with Detroit
Conservatives are not the problem with Detroit.
Democrats are not the problem with Detroit.
Republicans are not the problem with Detroit.

The problem with Detroit is a false concept that people should be able to get something for nothing, and are entitled to what they have not earned.

Whomever is chosen to fix Detroit will do so ONLY by encouraging private sector growth, discouraging the entitlement mentality, and re-establishing a work ethic that does not depend on contributions by others.

True. Good luck with that.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eh3inWjeVg]Breitbart tv » Thousands Line Up For Stimulus Money in Detroit - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Foxfyre]

So the residents got some temporary help from 15 million dollars that none of them worked for; none of them earned. How much better would it have been rather than hand out that 15 million, to cut federal spending in non essential areas in order to give 15 million in tax breaks or other incentives for businesses to establish, expand, and hire folks and thereby reduce that long line. Then help the very few left who are unable to work.

This used to be the way everybody thought it should be in America. Now we seem to think people should be paid not to work. And that insanity has produced Detroits all across the country.

 

[The Rabbi]

So the residents got some temporary help from 15 million dollars that none of them worked for; none of them earned. How much better would it have been rather than hand out that 15 million, to cut federal spending in non essential areas in order to give 15 million in tax breaks or other incentives for businesses to establish, expand, and hire folks and thereby reduce that long line. Then help the very few left who are unable to work.

This used to be the way everybody thought it should be in America. Now we seem to think people should be paid not to work. And that insanity has produced Detroits all across the country.

Detroit is a good example of what happens when pols pander to the lowest classes to get elected. They drive out productive people from their system. This is not an unintended consequence. THat was the intention.

 

[Foxfyre]

So the residents got some temporary help from 15 million dollars that none of them worked for; none of them earned. How much better would it have been rather than hand out that 15 million, to cut federal spending in non essential areas in order to give 15 million in tax breaks or other incentives for businesses to establish, expand, and hire folks and thereby reduce that long line. Then help the very few left who are unable to work.

This used to be the way everybody thought it should be in America. Now we seem to think people should be paid not to work. And that insanity has produced Detroits all across the country.

Detroit is a good example of what happens when pols pander to the lowest classes to get elected. They drive out productive people from their system. This is not an unintended consequence. THat was the intention.

I don't know if that is the intention, but that is definitely the consequence. You have CEO's of auto manufacturers and other union shops giving union bosses whatever they demand, however costly that might be on down the road, because the CEO figures he'll have collected his golden parachute and retired long before those chickens come home to roost. But as with any other pyramid scheme, a system requiring funding by workers on down the line sooner or later invariably becomes too much for those future workers to sustain.

Likewise with government entitlements that depend on future taxes to pay. In 1950 there were 16.5 workers paying into the system for every Social Security recipient. In 2005, that number had dropped to 3.3 workers for every Social Security recipient, and that number will soon drop to 2.2 workers and how long will it be before the recipients outnumber the workers? It simply is not sustainable. Then you add on Medicaid, Medicare, Obamacare, and other entitlements, all that drain the economy of its vitality and productivity, and it is no wonder that the debt clock has passed 16 trillion and is accelerating at an alarming rate. The legislators don't care because they are making themselves all millionaires as we speak and they figure they'll be out of Congress and immune to criticism when those chickens arrive.

It is all built as a house of cards that has to come crashing down sooner or later. Unless we all, liberals and conservatives alike, admit it and join together to fix it, it is inevitable that the entire United States will eventually become a Detroit.

 

[Dugdale_Jukes]

No question about it that Detroit needs outside management.

However, the anti-auto-union chimera is from the nutball playbook. The facts prove that management destroyed the US automobile business by falling behind two important demand curves starting in the 1970s then staying there: quality and style. Unions had nothing to do with it, as the Obama bailout proves beyond a shadow of a doubt.

On the other hand government unions are the work of the devil. Detroit's public bureaucracy remains a disgrace to public service. It is overpaid, underworked and there are no effective measures of ethics.

What needs to happen in Detroit is some kind of bankruptcy to throw out current administrators, void contracts and pensions and so on, then do a complete rebuild.

 

[auditor0007]

Have any of these "emergency managers" worked out so far? Taking away democracy and replacing it with Republican shills? Every time you let the right wing run anything, it always ends up in scandal and fraud and criminal charges. They can't help themselves. They are an odious bunch.

Former Emergency Manager Charged with Tax Fraud

Michigan?s Emergency Manager meetings not subject to Open Meetings Act, opponent faces federal indictments

The Scandal of Michigan's Emergency Managers

The odious bunch are those who got Detroit in trouble enough to seek "emergency managers." The desire to spend more money than you have is what has taken away democracy and replaced it with tax-and-spenders, rdean. Hiring people of graft so you can control them and/or use them to humiliate members of their party unfairly could come back to bite Detroit personnel whizzes in the butt.

For that is called "screwing the pooch."

Unfortunately, the solutions are not as easy as just cutting pay and city jobs. Unless you live there or have studied the problem with at least some degree of interest, you probably do not understand the scope of the problem. What truly needs to happen is that entire swaths of Detroit need to be bulldozed and sold off to developers. The problem is that they don't even have the money to do that, and even if they did, they would need to force many people out of their homes, and those people do not want to leave.

 

[Foxfyre]

Have any of these "emergency managers" worked out so far? Taking away democracy and replacing it with Republican shills? Every time you let the right wing run anything, it always ends up in scandal and fraud and criminal charges. They can't help themselves. They are an odious bunch.

Former Emergency Manager Charged with Tax Fraud

Michigan?s Emergency Manager meetings not subject to Open Meetings Act, opponent faces federal indictments

The Scandal of Michigan's Emergency Managers

The odious bunch are those who got Detroit in trouble enough to seek "emergency managers." The desire to spend more money than you have is what has taken away democracy and replaced it with tax-and-spenders, rdean. Hiring people of graft so you can control them and/or use them to humiliate members of their party unfairly could come back to bite Detroit personnel whizzes in the butt.

For that is called "screwing the pooch."

Unfortunately, the solutions are not as easy as just cutting pay and city jobs. Unless you live there or have studied the problem with at least some degree of interest, you probably do not understand the scope of the problem. What truly needs to happen is that entire swaths of Detroit need to be bulldozed and sold off to developers. The problem is that they don't even have the money to do that, and even if they did, they would need to force many people out of their homes, and those people do not want to leave.

It isn't something that government can fix. It must be private sector intiative, money, and will to succeed that fixes it. Every dollar the government puts into the process is a dollar taken out of the economy and/or obligated for taxpayers on down the road to pay.

What government can do is remove the entitlements, remove all unnecessary regulation, and provide a tax structure and other incentive that will allow the private sector to take the risk and fix the problem. If Detroits new manager understands that, he or she will have a shot at making things better. If he or she continues to take the 'easy way' out by kicking problems on down the road, it will only get worse.

 

[rdean]

Have any of these "emergency managers" worked out so far? Taking away democracy and replacing it with Republican shills? Every time you let the right wing run anything, it always ends up in scandal and fraud and criminal charges. They can't help themselves. They are an odious bunch.

Former Emergency Manager Charged with Tax Fraud

Michigan?s Emergency Manager meetings not subject to Open Meetings Act, opponent faces federal indictments

The Scandal of Michigan's Emergency Managers

The odious bunch are those who got Detroit in trouble enough to seek "emergency managers." The desire to spend more money than you have is what has taken away democracy and replaced it with tax-and-spenders, rdean. Hiring people of graft so you can control them and/or use them to humiliate members of their party unfairly could come back to bite Detroit personnel whizzes in the butt.

For that is called "screwing the pooch."

Unfortunately, the solutions are not as easy as just cutting pay and city jobs. Unless you live there or have studied the problem with at least some degree of interest, you probably do not understand the scope of the problem. What truly needs to happen is that entire swaths of Detroit need to be bulldozed and sold off to developers. The problem is that they don't even have the money to do that, and even if they did, they would need to force many people out of their homes, and those people do not want to leave.

Studied the problem? Republicans don't "study", they "imagine".

 

[Ernie S.]

Just so I understand.

The Republicans here are defending "take overs" and they have no faith in democracy.

Perhaps that's why they support "voter suppression"?

We have no faith in Democrats, not Democracy
After 50 years of Democrat rule in Motown, the population has fallen to 38% of what it was in the 1960 census, unemployment is about double the national average and it has just been named the most miserable city in America.

Democracy works, Democrats don't.

 

[Foxfyre]

The odious bunch are those who got Detroit in trouble enough to seek "emergency managers." The desire to spend more money than you have is what has taken away democracy and replaced it with tax-and-spenders, rdean. Hiring people of graft so you can control them and/or use them to humiliate members of their party unfairly could come back to bite Detroit personnel whizzes in the butt.

For that is called "screwing the pooch."

Unfortunately, the solutions are not as easy as just cutting pay and city jobs. Unless you live there or have studied the problem with at least some degree of interest, you probably do not understand the scope of the problem. What truly needs to happen is that entire swaths of Detroit need to be bulldozed and sold off to developers. The problem is that they don't even have the money to do that, and even if they did, they would need to force many people out of their homes, and those people do not want to leave.

Studied the problem? Republicans don't "study", they "imagine".

Well you are certainly not a Republican, so please enlighten us as to what your studies have come up with as the problem.

 

[tap4154]

One pundit on Fox News Sunday suggested Mitt could be the person to save Detroit. His home town, and he has the skills, unlike our POTUS.

That would be a great legacy move, and I'll bet he'd do it. Mitt saving the city destroyed by Dems/liberals and unions.

 

[The Rabbi]

One pundit on Fox News Sunday suggested Mitt could be the person to save Detroit. His home town, and he has the skills, unlike our POTUS.

That would be a great legacy move, and I'll bet he'd so it. Mitt saving the city destroyed by Dems/liberals and unions.

He would be a terrific choice. At least if he wasn't demagoguged by the race mongers.

 

[Dugdale_Jukes]

Hard to imagine a better choice to manage Detroit than an effete, lily white destroyer of the blue collar middle class who for good measure is member of a religion that demonized blacks until after WWII.

It has too much going for it to ever happen, but it'd be easy to support - just to see what happened.

 

[The Rabbi]

Hard to imagine a better choice to manage Detroit than an effete, lily white destroyer of the blue collar middle class who for good measure is member of a religion that demonized blacks until after WWII.

It has too much going for it to ever happen, but it'd be easy to support - just to see what happened.

As opposed to those voices of teh proletarian black men who have fucked the city up royally.
Yeah, tell us all about it, ninny.

 

[Dugdale_Jukes]

What is it about my crystal clear acknowledgment previous management of Detroit was criminally negligent and needed replaced preferably by a bankruptcy court, or my support for Willard being appointed Viceroy of Detroit you don't get, rabbi?

Did my rationale put you off?

Keep your focus on results and life gets better pretty quick.

 

[Jroc]

Voter suppression is not the problem with Detroit.
Liberals are not the problem with Detroit
Conservatives are not the problem with Detroit.
Democrats are not the problem with Detroit.
Republicans are not the problem with Detroit.

The problem with Detroit is a false concept that people should be able to get something for nothing, and are entitled to what they have not earned.

Whomever is chosen to fix Detroit will do so ONLY by encouraging private sector growth, discouraging the entitlement mentality, and re-establishing a work ethic that does not depend on contributions by others.

Sorry but racists Democrat politicians are part of the problem, you can't get elected in Detroit if you’re white. Race is used all the time as an excuse for what is wrong with Detroit, every solution purposed by the state is racist, you don't know how it is here

Michigan Democrat accused of not being 'black' enough by other Democrats

Rep. Hansen Clarke (D-MI) is being attacked by his Democratic opponents for not being black enough, CBS Detroit reported Tuesday.

According to CBS, a robocall went out this week saying Clarke is “not black.” Challenger Mary Waters - one of two black women running against Clarke in the Democratic primary - told the Detroit Free Press she’s the only black Detroit resident in the race, CBS said.

After a digital debate for CBS Detroit, Clarke says he is refusing to engage in any more debates due to the racial rhetoric.

“Due to the use of racist rhetoric and race-baiting by certain candidates in the 14th congressional district race, Hansen Clarke for Congress will not participate in any more debates at this time. These political tactics are insulting and offensive to our voters,” the campaign said last Friday.

“My opponents are so desperate they can’t attack me based on what we’re doing, based on my record, so they’re going after my poor deceased parents who have been dead for 30 years,” he told talk show host Charlie Langton.

Clarke's mother's death certificate lists her as "white," but Clarke describes himself as multiracial, with a light-skinned black mother and a father from Pakistan. The Detroit Free Press said that "Clarke often notes that he’s the first Bangladeshi-American elected to Congress."

“That’s the way it is, sometimes people viewed light-skinned black folks as being white,” Clarke said

Michigan Democrat accused of not being 'black' enough by other Democrats - National Elections | Examiner.com

“It was the law in the United States that Africans were three-fifths of a person, that we could not vote, could not own property,” said Detroit City Councilwoman JoAnn Watson during a public hearing Dec. 1, the day Gov. Snyder announced the first step in the takeover process, a 30-day “initial review.”

“It was against the law for us to escape from slavery, but it was the unpaid slavery of Africans on which this country was built,” Ms. Watson declared. “We have the right to self-determination and freedom, the right to control our own destiny. No way in heaven are we going to let somebody come in from Lansing and take our city.”

Ms. Watson, Detroit Mayor Dave Bing, most council members, and UAW President Bob King denounced Gov. Snyder’s move at a press conference that evening. They called on Gov. Snyder at least to repay $220 million the state owes Detroit under a previous agreement, which would staunch the city’s expected deficit of $150 million.


Youth in Benton Harbor rally against Snyder's appearance there

Gov. Snyder has refused to do so, despite the state’s recent announcement that it expects to end its fiscal year with a budget surplus of up to $1 billion. The surplus resulting from cuts in revenue-sharing funds to municipalities, aid to the schools, and public assistance.

The statewide Michigan Forward organization has collected over 190,000 petition signatures to repeal Public Act 4, which would, once verified, stop Gov. Snyder’s move in its tracks until the Nov. 2012 election. But Gov. Snyder has told U.S. Rep. John Conyers (D-Detroit) and others that he plans legal action to block enforcement of the referendum process.

Masses of people have turned out for public hearings, rallies and marches. Black elected officials across the state have brought pressure to bear on Gov. Snyder.


Slavemaster Snyder targets majority-Black governments in Michigan

“It is our understanding if you choose to appoint an Emergency Manager to oversee Detroit, that would mean that approximately 50 percent of all the African American citizens in the State would be living under the authority of unelected managers,” Congressman Conyers and 65 elected officials wrote Gov. Snyder

.

FINAL CALL: MICHIGAN GOV. ACCUSED OF DISENFRANCHISING DETROIT, OTHER MAJORITY BLACK CITIES IN THE STATE | VOICE OF DETROIT: The city's independent newspaper, unbossed and unbought

 

[Foxfyre]

Voter suppression is not the problem with Detroit.
Liberals are not the problem with Detroit
Conservatives are not the problem with Detroit.
Democrats are not the problem with Detroit.
Republicans are not the problem with Detroit.

The problem with Detroit is a false concept that people should be able to get something for nothing, and are entitled to what they have not earned.

Whomever is chosen to fix Detroit will do so ONLY by encouraging private sector growth, discouraging the entitlement mentality, and re-establishing a work ethic that does not depend on contributions by others.

Sorry but racists Democrat politicians are part of the problem, you can't get elected in Detroit if you’re white. Race is used all the time as an excuse for what is wrong with Detroit, every solution purposed by the state is racist, you don't know how it is here

Michigan Democrat accused of not being 'black' enough by other Democrats

Rep. Hansen Clarke (D-MI) is being attacked by his Democratic opponents for not being black enough, CBS Detroit reported Tuesday.

According to CBS, a robocall went out this week saying Clarke is “not black.” Challenger Mary Waters - one of two black women running against Clarke in the Democratic primary - told the Detroit Free Press she’s the only black Detroit resident in the race, CBS said.

After a digital debate for CBS Detroit, Clarke says he is refusing to engage in any more debates due to the racial rhetoric.

“Due to the use of racist rhetoric and race-baiting by certain candidates in the 14th congressional district race, Hansen Clarke for Congress will not participate in any more debates at this time. These political tactics are insulting and offensive to our voters,” the campaign said last Friday.

“My opponents are so desperate they can’t attack me based on what we’re doing, based on my record, so they’re going after my poor deceased parents who have been dead for 30 years,” he told talk show host Charlie Langton.

Clarke's mother's death certificate lists her as "white," but Clarke describes himself as multiracial, with a light-skinned black mother and a father from Pakistan. The Detroit Free Press said that "Clarke often notes that he’s the first Bangladeshi-American elected to Congress."

“That’s the way it is, sometimes people viewed light-skinned black folks as being white,” Clarke said

Michigan Democrat accused of not being 'black' enough by other Democrats - National Elections | Examiner.com

“It was the law in the United States that Africans were three-fifths of a person, that we could not vote, could not own property,” said Detroit City Councilwoman JoAnn Watson during a public hearing Dec. 1, the day Gov. Snyder announced the first step in the takeover process, a 30-day “initial review.”

“It was against the law for us to escape from slavery, but it was the unpaid slavery of Africans on which this country was built,” Ms. Watson declared. “We have the right to self-determination and freedom, the right to control our own destiny. No way in heaven are we going to let somebody come in from Lansing and take our city.”

Ms. Watson, Detroit Mayor Dave Bing, most council members, and UAW President Bob King denounced Gov. Snyder’s move at a press conference that evening. They called on Gov. Snyder at least to repay $220 million the state owes Detroit under a previous agreement, which would staunch the city’s expected deficit of $150 million.


Youth in Benton Harbor rally against Snyder's appearance there

Gov. Snyder has refused to do so, despite the state’s recent announcement that it expects to end its fiscal year with a budget surplus of up to $1 billion. The surplus resulting from cuts in revenue-sharing funds to municipalities, aid to the schools, and public assistance.

The statewide Michigan Forward organization has collected over 190,000 petition signatures to repeal Public Act 4, which would, once verified, stop Gov. Snyder’s move in its tracks until the Nov. 2012 election. But Gov. Snyder has told U.S. Rep. John Conyers (D-Detroit) and others that he plans legal action to block enforcement of the referendum process.

Masses of people have turned out for public hearings, rallies and marches. Black elected officials across the state have brought pressure to bear on Gov. Snyder.


Slavemaster Snyder targets majority-Black governments in Michigan

“It is our understanding if you choose to appoint an Emergency Manager to oversee Detroit, that would mean that approximately 50 percent of all the African American citizens in the State would be living under the authority of unelected managers,” Congressman Conyers and 65 elected officials wrote Gov. Snyder

.

FINAL CALL: MICHIGAN GOV. ACCUSED OF DISENFRANCHISING DETROIT, OTHER MAJORITY BLACK CITIES IN THE STATE | VOICE OF DETROIT: The city's independent newspaper, unbossed and unbought

No, race is not the problem either. If you have a competent, qualified black man, he could do every bit as good a job as Mitt Romney or any other white man.

The problem comes when somebody feels entitled to a position or status BECAUSE he or she is black, just as people feeling entitled to what they have not earned is how Detroit got into the mess it is in. The mindset that the government or the world or society OWES you something whether or not you earn it is the whole problem.

 

[Jroc]

Voter suppression is not the problem with Detroit.
Liberals are not the problem with Detroit
Conservatives are not the problem with Detroit.
Democrats are not the problem with Detroit.
Republicans are not the problem with Detroit.

The problem with Detroit is a false concept that people should be able to get something for nothing, and are entitled to what they have not earned.

Whomever is chosen to fix Detroit will do so ONLY by encouraging private sector growth, discouraging the entitlement mentality, and re-establishing a work ethic that does not depend on contributions by others.

Sorry but racists Democrat politicians are part of the problem, you can't get elected in Detroit if you’re white. Race is used all the time as an excuse for what is wrong with Detroit, every solution purposed by the state is racist, you don't know how it is here




Michigan Democrat accused of not being 'black' enough by other Democrats - National Elections | Examiner.com

“It was the law in the United States that Africans were three-fifths of a person, that we could not vote, could not own property,” said Detroit City Councilwoman JoAnn Watson during a public hearing Dec. 1, the day Gov. Snyder announced the first step in the takeover process, a 30-day “initial review.”

“It was against the law for us to escape from slavery, but it was the unpaid slavery of Africans on which this country was built,” Ms. Watson declared. “We have the right to self-determination and freedom, the right to control our own destiny. No way in heaven are we going to let somebody come in from Lansing and take our city.”

Ms. Watson, Detroit Mayor Dave Bing, most council members, and UAW President Bob King denounced Gov. Snyder’s move at a press conference that evening. They called on Gov. Snyder at least to repay $220 million the state owes Detroit under a previous agreement, which would staunch the city’s expected deficit of $150 million.


Youth in Benton Harbor rally against Snyder's appearance there

Gov. Snyder has refused to do so, despite the state’s recent announcement that it expects to end its fiscal year with a budget surplus of up to $1 billion. The surplus resulting from cuts in revenue-sharing funds to municipalities, aid to the schools, and public assistance.

The statewide Michigan Forward organization has collected over 190,000 petition signatures to repeal Public Act 4, which would, once verified, stop Gov. Snyder’s move in its tracks until the Nov. 2012 election. But Gov. Snyder has told U.S. Rep. John Conyers (D-Detroit) and others that he plans legal action to block enforcement of the referendum process.

Masses of people have turned out for public hearings, rallies and marches. Black elected officials across the state have brought pressure to bear on Gov. Snyder.


Slavemaster Snyder targets majority-Black governments in Michigan

“It is our understanding if you choose to appoint an Emergency Manager to oversee Detroit, that would mean that approximately 50 percent of all the African American citizens in the State would be living under the authority of unelected managers,” Congressman Conyers and 65 elected officials wrote Gov. Snyder

.

FINAL CALL: MICHIGAN GOV. ACCUSED OF DISENFRANCHISING DETROIT, OTHER MAJORITY BLACK CITIES IN THE STATE | VOICE OF DETROIT: The city's independent newspaper, unbossed and unbought

No, race is not the problem either. If you have a competent, qualified black man, he could do every bit as good a job as Mitt Romney or any other white man.

The problem comes when somebody feels entitled to a position or status BECAUSE he or she is black, just as people feeling entitled to what they have not earned is how Detroit got into the mess it is in. The mindset that the government or the world or society OWES you something whether or not you earn it is the whole problem.

You don't seem to get it and you can't because you don't live here. While what you say is true in the second part of your statement, Race is used as a crutch, a "qualified black man" as you put it will be labeled a traitor an uncle tom, Snyder will appoint a black as EFM, they'll attempt to destroy him. What does Mitt Romney haft to do with anything? I'm here I'm on the streets, in the neighborhoods, I grew up here, I think I may have a bit better a prospective than you do...Having said that I love Detroit and most of the people here. Democrats divide people by race, I had a conversation with a guy the other day who tried to convinces me Mitch McConnell wanted to enslave black people again...People like yourself on the outside looking in are not really up to speed with the situation here