Discussion in 'Politics' started by bripat9643, Dec 4, 2017.
They can't wait like most here for the garbage to be cleaned out of our WH
Dershowitz has already backpedaled, doofus.
Here's why even the Republicans decided to impeach Nixon.
Haldeman: Now, on the investigation, you know, the Democratic break-in thing, were back to the-in the, the problem area because the FBI is not under control, because Gray doesnt exactly know how to control them, and they have, their investigation is now leading into some productive areas, because theyve been able to trace the money, not through the money itself, but through the bank, you know, sources the banker himself. And, and it goes in some directions we dont want it to go. Ah, also there have been some things, like an informant came in off the street to the FBI in Miami, who was a photographer or has a friend who is a photographer who developed some films through this guy, Barker, and the films had pictures of Democratic National Committee letter head documents and things. So I guess, so its things like that that are gonna, that are filtering in. Mitchell came up with yesterday, and John Dean analyzed very carefully last night and concludes, concurs now with Mitchells recommendation that the only way to solve this, and were set up beautifully to do it, ah, in that and that
the only network that paid any attention to it last night was NBC
they did a massive story on the Cuban
Nixon: Thats right.
Haldeman: That the way to handle this now is for us to have Walters call Pat Gray and just say, Stay the hell out of this
this this ah, business here we dont want you to go any further on it. Thats not an unusual development,
Nixon: Um huh.
and, uh, that would take care of it.
Nixon: What about Pat Gray, ah, you mean he doesnt want to?
Haldeman: Pat does want to. He doesnt know how to, and he doesnt have, he doesnt have any basis for doing it. Given this, he will then have the basis. Hell call Mark Felt in, and the two of them
and Mark Felt wants to cooperate because
Haldeman: hes ambitious
Haldeman: Ah, hell call him in and say, Weve got the signal from across the river to, to put the hold on this. And that will fit rather well because the FBI agents who are working the case, at this point, feel thats what it is. This is CIA.
Nixon: But theyve traced the money to em.
Haldeman: Well they have, theyve traced to a name, but they havent gotten to the guy yet.
Nixon: Would it be somebody here?
Haldeman: Ken Dahlberg.
Nixon: Who the hell is Ken Dahlberg?
Haldeman: Hes ah, he gave $25,000 in Minnesota and ah, the check went directly in to this, to this guy Barker.
Nixon: Maybe hes a
Nixon: He didnt get this from the committee though, from Stans.
Haldeman: Yeah. It is. It is. Its directly traceable and theres some more through some Texas people inthat went to the Mexican bank which they can also trace to the Mexican bank
theyll get their names today. And (pause)
Nixon: Well, I mean, ah, theres no way
Im just thinking if they dont cooperate, what do they say? They they, they were approached by the Cubans. Thats what Dahlberg has to say, the Texans too. Is that the idea?
Haldeman: Well, if they will. But then were relying on more and more people all the time. Thats the problem. And ah, theyll stop if we could, if we take this other step.
Nixon: All right. Fine.
Haldeman: And, and they seem to feel the thing to do is get them to stop?
Nixon: Right, fine.
Haldeman: They say the only way to do that is from White House instructions. And its got to be to Helms and, ah, whats his name
Haldeman: And the proposal would be that Ehrlichman (coughs) and I call them in
Nixon: All right, fine.
Haldeman: and say, ah
Nixon: How do you call him in, I mean you just, well, we protected Helms from one hell of a lot of things.
Haldeman: Thats what Ehrlichman says.
Nixon: Of course, this is a, this is a Hunt, you will-that will uncover a lot of things. You open that scab theres a hell of a lot of things and that we just feel that it would be very detrimental to have this thing go any further.This involves these Cubans, Hunt, and a lot of hanky-panky that we have nothing to do with ourselves. Well what the hell, did Mitchell know about this thing to any much of a degree.
Haldeman: I think so. I don t think he knew the details, but I think he knew.
Nixon: He didnt know how it was going to be handled though, with Dahlberg and the Texans and so forth? Well who was the asshole that did? (Unintelligible) Is it Liddy? Is that the fellow? He must be a little nuts.
Haldeman: He is.
Nixon: I mean he just isnt well screwed on is he? Isnt that the problem?
Haldeman: No, but he was under pressure, apparently, to get more information, and as he got more pressure, he pushed the people harder to move harder on
Nixon: Pressure from Mitchell?
Nixon: Oh, Mitchell, Mitchell was at the point that you made on this, that exactly what I need from you is on the
Haldeman: Gemstone, yeah.
Nixon: All right, fine, I understand it all. We wont second-guess Mitchell and the rest. Thank God it wasnt Colson.
Haldeman: The FBI interviewed Colson yesterday. They determined that would be a good thing to do.
Nixon: Um hum.
Haldeman: Ah, to have him take a
Nixon: Um hum.
Haldeman: An interrogation, which he did, and that, the FBI guys working the case had concluded that there were one or two possibilities, one, that this was a White House, they dont think that there is anything at the Election Committee, they think it was either a White House operation and they had some obscure reasons for it, non political,
Nixon: Uh huh.
Haldeman: or it was a
Nixon: Cuban thing-
Haldeman: Cubans and the CIA. And after their interrogation of, of
Haldeman: Colson, yesterday, they concluded it was not the White House, but are now convinced it is a CIA thing, so the CIA turn off would
Nixon: Well, not sure of their analysis, Im not going to get that involved. Im (unintelligible).
Haldeman: No, sir. We dont want you to.
Nixon: You call them in.
Nixon: Good. Good deal! Play it tough. Thats the way they play it and thats the way we are going to play it.
Haldeman: O.K. Well do it.
Nixon: Yeah, when I saw that news summary item, I of course knew it was a bunch of crap, but I thought ah, well its good to have them off on this wild hair thing because when they start bugging us, which they have, well know our little boys will not know how to handle it. I hope they will though. You never know. Maybe, you think about it. Good!
What you're saying is the president can stop any federal investigation that targets him; that is, he is beyond the reaches of the law. However, he will not be beyond the reach of congress, even a republican controlled congress.
Be specific and shown in the article where ANY of that has to do with firing ANYONE dumb ass. And again you can not have it both ways either Nixon was accused or he wasn't which is it?
no denying that here! in fact, our founders purposely set up impeachment as a political process of removal and not a criminal justice process...
Nixon was going to be impeached for obstructing justice. I provided the relevant conversation above. It has remarkable similarities to the Trump-Comey fiasco.
Comey was fired because he would not stop the investigation after being asked to stop by Trump.
As for firings, I take it you have never heard of the Saturday Night Massacre?
Let's see... We already know that Trump fired Comey. Why hasn't Trump been impeached yet?
And yet you can not provide a single statement made by congress threatening to impeach Nixon for firing anyone, go figure.
Correction, they haven't release any, big difference. Members of Mueller's team as well as the grand jury are sworn to secrecy. Most of what we accept as information is leaks, half truths, and speculation. When the investigation is complete, and all indictments have been made, we may see a statement from Mueller that details the investigation, with recommendations and conclusions. Then again, we may not. My guess is we will, particular if there are charges directed against the president. The prosecution of such charges would be left to congress, not the courts.
Dude, I gave you a giant clue.
The Saturday Night Massacre is what turned popular opinion and Congress against Nixon. For the first time, a majority of Americans supported Nixon's impeachment as a direct result of the Massacre.
The Saturday Night Massacre was the basis for Article I of the Articles of Impeachment against Nixon.
You should not dive into matters of which you know nothing.
Separate names with a comma.