Deporting american born citizens

[Toddsterpatriot]

Just try it! Waco will look like a joke.

You gonna throw your panties at ICE?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

“Natural-born U.S. citizens may not have their citizenship revoked against their will…” ibid

This also illustrates why it’s un-Constitutional for one state to ‘secede’ from the Union, which would result in American citizens having their citizenship taken from them against their will.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

I notice the OP has ran off from his own thread. I don’t blame him.

 

[Anathema]

No other country would be obligated to accept someone who is not a citizen of that country.

I was thinking the Mariana Trench.

 

[Flopper]

One can be denied re-entry to the country however.

As far as renunciation of citizenship, the act does not have to be done in the US, it can be done abroad. There are a number of acts that are listed in title 8 chapter 12, subchapter 3 part 3 section 1481 that lists the current rules

(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth
or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing
any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United
States nationality-- (this was recently added to the code in 1999)
(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own
application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent,
after having attained the age of eighteen years; or
(2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal
declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political
subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen
years; or
(3) entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state
if (A) such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the
United States, or (B) such persons serve as a commissioned or non-
commissioned officer; or
(4)(A) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any
office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state
or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of
eighteen years if he has or acquires the nationality of such foreign
state; or (B) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any
office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state
or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of
eighteen years for which office, post, or employment an oath,
affirmation, or declaration of allegiance is required; or
(5) making a formal renunciation of nationality before a
diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign
state, in such form as may be prescribed by the Secretary of State;
* * *

Further, prior to the amendments to add the language of intent to give up US citizenship, the US did not recognize dual citizenship. Hence a person who voluntarily obtained another citizenship after having acquired US citizenship (by birth or naturalization) was deemed to have renounced their US Citizenship. At that time the only "dual" citizenship that the US considered as legal was the type where the person could not give up the citizenship of the other country or where that country's citizenship passed automatically to offspring. The key that the US focused on was the voluntary acquiring of citizenship. Hence in a country where a woman acquired her husband's citizenship upon marriage was deemed to have renounced her US citizenship, so long as she voluntarily married the man. Section 324.3 above was put in place to fix the issue initally, and then by later amendments the US added the language that you had to intend to give up your US citizenship. However, the implementation of this law was not retroactive. So persons who lost citizenship prior to 1999 through one of the acts has to reapply for citizenship according to the rules. (In one case that required that you apply for reinstatement by the end of 2000)

There is another class of persons who lost citizenship and may not even know it. That is those persons who fled the US to avoid being drafted into the Vietnam War. They too lost their citizenship by this act outside the US.

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The key phrase in the act is "
with the intention of relinquishing United
States nationality" Fleeing the US to avoid the draft is not considered an intention to relinquish citizenship unless the person makes that declaration.

 

[Peach]

Another cite:

https://digitalcommons.law.villanov...le.com/&httpsredir=1&article=2134&context=vlr

I will accept your interpretation, yet the pardon was required to allow full rights returned.

 

[Flopper]

Another cite:

https://digitalcommons.law.villanov...le.com/&httpsredir=1&article=2134&context=vlr

I will accept your interpretation, yet the pardon was required to allow full rights returned.

Leaving the country to escape the draft is a violation of the Selective Service Act which is a felony. Being pardon for a felony restores rights.

 

[Peach]

Another cite:

https://digitalcommons.law.villanov...le.com/&httpsredir=1&article=2134&context=vlr

I will accept your interpretation, yet the pardon was required to allow full rights returned.

Leaving the country to escape the draft is a violation of the Selective Service Act which is a felony. Being pardon for a felony restores rights.

Yes, federal felonies require a Presidential pardon.

 

[anotherlife]

If you are an American born citizen, where are you being deported to? Question makes no sense.

I don't believe it is possible but it definitely should be.

Well, there is LA island.

 

[usmcstinger]

If a child is brought here by Illegal Aliens, he or she is also an Illegal Alien. Any Illegal Alien who has a SS Card got it through fraudulent means and has committed a Felony and should be Deported. I don't want to hear they have been working and paying taxes.

 

[Syriusly]

If a child is brought here by Illegal Aliens, he or she is also an Illegal Alien. Any Illegal Alien who has a SS Card got it through fraudulent means and has committed a Felony and should be Deported. I don't want to hear they have been working and paying taxes.

None of which has anything to do with this 3 month old thread.

 

[Flopper]

If a child is brought here by Illegal Aliens, he or she is also an Illegal Alien. Any Illegal Alien who has a SS Card got it through fraudulent means and has committed a Felony and should be Deported. I don't want to hear they have been working and paying taxes.

Using someone's social security number is not in itself a crime. As long as you use your true name, there is no crime. Many employers never ask to see a social card when hiring since they are not considered official government identification and most people do not carry them on their person. However, if you use a Social Security card with someone else name on it, it can be considered identity theft and it is considered a forgery.

 

[xyz]

(3) entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state
if (A) such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the
United States, or (B) such persons serve as a commissioned or non-
commissioned officer; or
(4)(A) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any
office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state
or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of
eighteen years if he has or acquires the nationality of such foreign
state; or (B) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any
office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state
or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of
eighteen years for which office, post, or employment an oath,
affirmation, or declaration of allegiance is required; or

How many people on here realize that working for the Russian Federation can lead to them losing their citizenship?

 

[Two Thumbs]

sounds like someone is claiming that criminals that dropped anchor babies should be coddled and not have to pay for their crimes because it would be mean to keep the families together in their shithole of origin

 

[Syriusly]

(3) entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state
if (A) such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the
United States, or (B) such persons serve as a commissioned or non-
commissioned officer; or
(4)(A) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any
office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state
or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of
eighteen years if he has or acquires the nationality of such foreign
state; or (B) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any
office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state
or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of
eighteen years for which office, post, or employment an oath,
affirmation, or declaration of allegiance is required; or

How many people on here realize that working for the Russian Federation can lead to them losing their citizenship?

It can't- not unless the person intended for it to.

(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth
or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing
any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United
States nationality

 

[Syriusly]

sounds like someone is claiming that criminals that dropped anchor babies should be coddled and not have to pay for their crimes because it would be mean to keep the families together in their shithole of origin

Or you could take a reading comprehension course and find out what he actually said.

 

[ABikerSailor]

If a child is brought here by Illegal Aliens, he or she is also an Illegal Alien. Any Illegal Alien who has a SS Card got it through fraudulent means and has committed a Felony and should be Deported. I don't want to hear they have been working and paying taxes.

Using someone's social security number is not in itself a crime. As long as you use your true name, there is no crime. Many employers never ask to see a social card when hiring since they are not considered official government identification and most people do not carry them on their person. However, if you use a Social Security card with someone else name on it, it can be considered identity theft and it is considered a forgery.

Dunno about the places you worked, but when I got hired, I had to show my SSN so that they could deduct payroll taxes on me.

 

[Flopper]

(3) entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state
if (A) such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the
United States, or (B) such persons serve as a commissioned or non-
commissioned officer; or
(4)(A) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any
office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state
or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of
eighteen years if he has or acquires the nationality of such foreign
state; or (B) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any
office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state
or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of
eighteen years for which office, post, or employment an oath,
affirmation, or declaration of allegiance is required; or

How many people on here realize that working for the Russian Federation can lead to them losing their citizenship?

It can't- not unless the person intended for it to.

(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth
or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing
any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United
States nationality

Citizenship and Nationality are not the same. Nationality is an ethnic or racial concept. On the other hand, citizenship is a legal or juristic concept. The nationality of a person indicates his/her place or country of birth while the citizenship of a person shows that the individual is registered as a citizen by the government of the respective country. US law prohibits the taking away of US citizenship from a native born American, however a person can renounce their citizenship. Certain acts can result in a naturalized citizen losing their citizenship.

 

[Jarlaxle]

If a child is brought here by Illegal Aliens, he or she is also an Illegal Alien. Any Illegal Alien who has a SS Card got it through fraudulent means and has committed a Felony and should be Deported. I don't want to hear they have been working and paying taxes.

Using someone's social security number is not in itself a crime. As long as you use your true name, there is no crime. Many employers never ask to see a social card when hiring since they are not considered official government identification and most people do not carry them on their person. However, if you use a Social Security card with someone else name on it, it can be considered identity theft and it is considered a forgery.

Dunno about the places you worked, but when I got hired, I had to show my SSN so that they could deduct payroll taxes on me.

No, you didn't. They CANNOT require you to show a social security card. You can use one (it is on the list of approved documentation), but they cannot require it.