Deportation Raids Reportedly Ongoing Across U.S.

[Spare_change]

Over 90 percent of those 160 picked up in California were felons.

Well, yes, being that immigration violations can be a felony.

Please explain your sympathy for these felons to the victims of those crimes.

Please explain who the victim of an immigration crime is.

You tried to pretend those people were violent felons. Was that deliberate dishonesty on your part, or were you merely brainlessly parroting some propaganda that you believed without question?

Wrong again. I did not say violent felons. You did.

Operation leads to nationwide arrests
ICE in Los Angeles said it had conducted a five-day operation targeting criminals and fugitives, and said that the vast majority of those arrested had criminal histories.

Seeking to push back on reports of indiscriminate raids, ICE released the results of the operation from its Los Angeles office, saying about 160 foreign nationals were arrested during the week. Of those, 150 had criminal histories, and of the remaining arrests, five had final orders of removal or were previously deported. Ninety-five percent were male, they said.
[...]
Democrats, advocates question ICE enforcement raids - CNNPolitics.com

Just brings a tear to your eye, don't it?

 

[anotherlife]

Criminal courts allow defense of the criminal. Immigration courts don't allow defense of the immigrant.

Life's a bitch, ain't it?

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

But the immigrants want to do the time, only they are not allowed because they get deported. Now how is this fair?

 

[miketx]

So, how many housewives did you imprison today?

Congrats on the ripping apart families thing. Bet it makes you feel all tingly, eh?

Awww, your love for criminals is touching, loser.

 

[Spare_change]

Criminal courts allow defense of the criminal. Immigration courts don't allow defense of the immigrant.

Life's a bitch, ain't it?

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

But the immigrants want to do the time, only they are not allowed because they get deported. Now how is this fair?

Are you saying that you would prefer we put illegal immigrants in prison instead of deporting them? Is this a new liberal approach?

 

[Wiskers Von Pussyboots]

So, how many housewives did you imprison today?

Congrats on the ripping apart families thing. Bet it makes you feel all tingly, eh?

How many convicted murderers in various cities over the years have ripped apart families? What about those involved and convicted of drunk driving? Are you suggesting some form of "justification" in breaking the law?

Yes, you can send fathers to jail for most of their lives for insider trading, grand theft auto, and drug dealing, but don't you dare separate a family when the father snuck in here illegally.

You really should do a bit of research before posting. However, that would run counter to the talking points you receive from your leaders.

As you know, former President's Clinton and Obama did exactly the same thing. Over 90 percent of those 160 picked up in California were felons. Please explain your sympathy for these felons to the victims of those crimes.

I think you've pegged me wrong. I would re read my statement were I you

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Over 90 percent of those 160 picked up in California were felons.

Well, yes, being that immigration violations can be a felony.

Please explain your sympathy for these felons to the victims of those crimes.

Please explain who the victim of an immigration crime is.

You tried to pretend those people were violent felons. Was that deliberate dishonesty on your part, or were you merely brainlessly parroting some propaganda that you believed without question?

Wrong again. I did not say violent felons. You did.

Operation leads to nationwide arrests
ICE in Los Angeles said it had conducted a five-day operation targeting criminals and fugitives, and said that the vast majority of those arrested had criminal histories.

Seeking to push back on reports of indiscriminate raids, ICE released the results of the operation from its Los Angeles office, saying about 160 foreign nationals were arrested during the week. Of those, 150 had criminal histories, and of the remaining arrests, five had final orders of removal or were previously deported. Ninety-five percent were male, they said.
[...]
Democrats, advocates question ICE enforcement raids - CNNPolitics.com

Do you honestly believe a "raid" against illegals are spontaneous or only takes a week to plan? Those that were deported had been tracked and investigated for months before ICE made their decision they had enough to act. This outrage is based on nothing more than "party politics", how many liberals ignorant on the subject honestly think this was Trumo's handiwork only two weeks into his presidency?

 

[Sunni Man]

Illegal's provide a much needed service for our country.

They commit the crimes that American citizens are too lazy to commit. ....

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

[

Criminal courts allow defense of the criminal. Immigration courts don't allow defense of the immigrant.

Life's a bitch, ain't it?

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

But the immigrants want to do the time, only they are not allowed because they get deported. Now how is this fair?

ALL immigrants need to be treated the same (whether from Mexico or those nations over seas) when it comes to our Federal laws. We should not consider two sets of immigration laws, because one group finds it easier and more convenient to sneak across the border. To treat two groups of immigrants differently implies favoritism, not equality nor equal rights. We are a nation of immigrants from multiple nations who each desire the same opportunity towards a better life. To consider legislation that gives special treatment based on circumstances of their own doing (breaking the law), is an insult to those others from other nations who seek and undergo the long government scrutiny of being vetted through the legal process. Federal legislation needs to cater to ALL immigrants WITH the respect to its enforcement, which is why we have laws written, debated, passed, and signed into law in the first place. Do we have the right to challenge drunk driving laws, or capital punishment for murder / serial killers, imprisionment for rapists, etc. because the individual got caught and their own actions resulted in the tearing apart of those families? Where is the accountability? Can you tell me where exactly is this respect our laws, and accepted responsibility of those who break them?

 

[anotherlife]

Criminal courts allow defense of the criminal. Immigration courts don't allow defense of the immigrant.

Life's a bitch, ain't it?

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

But the immigrants want to do the time, only they are not allowed because they get deported. Now how is this fair?

Are you saying that you would prefer we put illegal immigrants in prison instead of deporting them? Is this a new liberal approach?

No but yeah but yeah but no, we liberals like people doing our work behind bars, so we don't have to work. Apart from this, if you deport him today, he will be back first thing tomorrow as soon as he makes the swim through. Whereas in prison, you always no where he is. Imagine, you don't even need to outsource those American jobs to Mexico, you just shift them to prison.

 

[anotherlife]

[

Criminal courts allow defense of the criminal. Immigration courts don't allow defense of the immigrant.

Life's a bitch, ain't it?

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

But the immigrants want to do the time, only they are not allowed because they get deported. Now how is this fair?

ALL immigrants need to be treated the same (whether from Mexico or those nations over seas) when it comes to our Federal laws. We should not consider two sets of immigration laws, because one group finds it easier and more convenient to sneak across the border. To treat two groups of immigrants differently implies favoritism, not equality nor equal rights. We are a nation of immigrants from multiple nations who each desire the same opportunity towards a better life. To consider legislation that gives special treatment based on circumstances of their own doing (breaking the law), is an insult to those others from other nations who seek and undergo the long government scrutiny of being vetted through the legal process. Federal legislation needs to cater to ALL immigrants WITH the respect to its enforcement, which is why we have laws written, debated, passed, and signed into law in the first place. Do we have the right to challenge drunk driving laws, or capital punishment for murder / serial killers, imprisionment for rapists, etc. because the individual got caught and their own actions resulted in the tearing apart of those families? Where is the accountability? Can you tell me where exactly is this respect our laws, and accepted responsibility of those who break them?

There has always been favoritism in u.s. Immigration because it has always been based on a quota system. If you immigrated from a small country like Denmark then you were preferential number of quota. But If you immigrated from something like China, them you had to wait for decades for your quota number to get current.

My point was, that a criminal is allowed to try to defend himself in front of a judge before he gets what he earns. But an immigrant is not allowed this.

Also, the government processes that administer legal immigration are patchy. For example, during the Bush administration, application fees for legal immigration were accepted, but all service was halted for like three years even though it was all paid for. Would an American accept if some government takes his application fees or license fees or whatever fees, then doesn't provide the service that those fees were collected for? If not then why is it okay to do this against foreign applicants?

 

[Spare_change]

Criminal courts allow defense of the criminal. Immigration courts don't allow defense of the immigrant.

Life's a bitch, ain't it?

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

But the immigrants want to do the time, only they are not allowed because they get deported. Now how is this fair?

Are you saying that you would prefer we put illegal immigrants in prison instead of deporting them? Is this a new liberal approach?

No but yeah but yeah but no, we liberals like people doing our work behind bars, so we don't have to work. Apart from this, if you deport him today, he will be back first thing tomorrow as soon as he makes the swim through. Whereas in prison, you always no where he is. Imagine, you don't even need to outsource those American jobs to Mexico, you just shift them to prison.

I'll put you down in the "Don't know what the fuck he's talking about" category.

 

[Spare_change]

[

Criminal courts allow defense of the criminal. Immigration courts don't allow defense of the immigrant.

Life's a bitch, ain't it?

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

But the immigrants want to do the time, only they are not allowed because they get deported. Now how is this fair?

ALL immigrants need to be treated the same (whether from Mexico or those nations over seas) when it comes to our Federal laws. We should not consider two sets of immigration laws, because one group finds it easier and more convenient to sneak across the border. To treat two groups of immigrants differently implies favoritism, not equality nor equal rights. We are a nation of immigrants from multiple nations who each desire the same opportunity towards a better life. To consider legislation that gives special treatment based on circumstances of their own doing (breaking the law), is an insult to those others from other nations who seek and undergo the long government scrutiny of being vetted through the legal process. Federal legislation needs to cater to ALL immigrants WITH the respect to its enforcement, which is why we have laws written, debated, passed, and signed into law in the first place. Do we have the right to challenge drunk driving laws, or capital punishment for murder / serial killers, imprisionment for rapists, etc. because the individual got caught and their own actions resulted in the tearing apart of those families? Where is the accountability? Can you tell me where exactly is this respect our laws, and accepted responsibility of those who break them?

You failed to differentiate between illegal and legal aliens. They do NOT have equal rights.

Get over it.

 

[longknife]

Hola Sarge, What kind of Latin are you?

I was thinking Mexican. Don't shoot me.

If you're addressing me, I'm a pure bred gringo with freckles and once red hair.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

[

Criminal courts allow defense of the criminal. Immigration courts don't allow defense of the immigrant.

Life's a bitch, ain't it?

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

But the immigrants want to do the time, only they are not allowed because they get deported. Now how is this fair?

ALL immigrants need to be treated the same (whether from Mexico or those nations over seas) when it comes to our Federal laws. We should not consider two sets of immigration laws, because one group finds it easier and more convenient to sneak across the border. To treat two groups of immigrants differently implies favoritism, not equality nor equal rights. We are a nation of immigrants from multiple nations who each desire the same opportunity towards a better life. To consider legislation that gives special treatment based on circumstances of their own doing (breaking the law), is an insult to those others from other nations who seek and undergo the long government scrutiny of being vetted through the legal process. Federal legislation needs to cater to ALL immigrants WITH the respect to its enforcement, which is why we have laws written, debated, passed, and signed into law in the first place. Do we have the right to challenge drunk driving laws, or capital punishment for murder / serial killers, imprisionment for rapists, etc. because the individual got caught and their own actions resulted in the tearing apart of those families? Where is the accountability? Can you tell me where exactly is this respect our laws, and accepted responsibility of those who break them?

There has always been favoritism in u.s. Immigration because it has always been based on a quota system. If you immigrated from a small country like Denmark then you were preferential number of quota. But If you immigrated from something like China, them you had to wait for decades for your quota number to get current.

My point was, that a criminal is allowed to try to defend himself in front of a judge before he gets what he earns. But an immigrant is not allowed this.

Also, the government processes that administer legal immigration are patchy. For example, during the Bush administration, application fees for legal immigration were accepted, but all service was halted for like three years even though it was all paid for. Would an American accept if some government takes his application fees or license fees or whatever fees, then doesn't provide the service that those fees were collected for? If not then why is it okay to do this against foreign applicants?

According to Federal Immigration laws, Congress has the control over immigration policy, while the president has been given the ultimate authority regarding the number refugees allowed entry. Our Immigration policy has always favored family sponsored immigrants as well as an employment based preference within a predetermined immigration cap, most likely because there is someone who can speak for the character of the individual seeking citizenship. This is specifically important surrounding those events of 9-11 which permanently changed the face of our immigration policy as a whole, where a specific extreme religious ideology has personally identified themselves as the selected "group" responsible for the attacks. The United States didn't make that determination of any religious group or ideology, it was identified for us by those SPECIFICALLY involved in terrorist acts. This is why, liberals can't site the excuse of religious discrimination, as the United States is making efforts to identify such militants that saught responsibility for their extreme religious cause they have identified specific allegiance to. Our government has to be allowed to do their job, as it's their Constitutional duty to protect and defend the citizens of the United States FIRST.

Yes, I do see and agree this is a long process. I also know of someone who is here with his parents and has to wait a few years for his wife to be allowed entry with her pathway to citizenship. However, we must not discredit their efforts because we see a "voting block" we want to reach for our own political gain and power. Yet that is what the democrats see in their proposed fast track process, they DON'T CARE about those immigrants who have to spend years (coming overseas) and seeking the same opportunity while respecting our Federal immigration laws.

Note I said Federal, as the individual states have not been given any constitutional authority to determine their own rules of how to deal with illegal immigration. There is also no prior constitutional backed law, through the Supreme Court, that grants the states authority in determining their own path to handle illegal immigration outside of the Federal Government's Constitutional authority.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

[

Criminal courts allow defense of the criminal. Immigration courts don't allow defense of the immigrant.

Life's a bitch, ain't it?

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

But the immigrants want to do the time, only they are not allowed because they get deported. Now how is this fair?

ALL immigrants need to be treated the same (whether from Mexico or those nations over seas) when it comes to our Federal laws. We should not consider two sets of immigration laws, because one group finds it easier and more convenient to sneak across the border. To treat two groups of immigrants differently implies favoritism, not equality nor equal rights. We are a nation of immigrants from multiple nations who each desire the same opportunity towards a better life. To consider legislation that gives special treatment based on circumstances of their own doing (breaking the law), is an insult to those others from other nations who seek and undergo the long government scrutiny of being vetted through the legal process. Federal legislation needs to cater to ALL immigrants WITH the respect to its enforcement, which is why we have laws written, debated, passed, and signed into law in the first place. Do we have the right to challenge drunk driving laws, or capital punishment for murder / serial killers, imprisionment for rapists, etc. because the individual got caught and their own actions resulted in the tearing apart of those families? Where is the accountability? Can you tell me where exactly is this respect our laws, and accepted responsibility of those who break them?

You failed to differentiate between illegal and legal aliens. They do NOT have equal rights.

Get over it.

My response was in regard to efforts by democrats to provide a fast track to citizenship, while neglecting the hard long efforts of OTHER immigrants from overseas who seek the same opportunities and privileges of citizenship. We have ONE legal means to gain citizenship through the Federal government, established by Congress, and enforced strictly by the Federal Government through government agencies such as ICE. All immigrants are entitled to the same process and path to become citizens WITHOUT exception, and without favoritism based on their circumstances of parents or individuals who have broken the law to gain access here.

Do try to follow along with the discussion.

 

[keepitreal]

So, how many housewives did you imprison today?

Congrats on the ripping apart families thing. Bet it makes you feel all tingly, eh?

Women now comprise a larger proportion
of the prison population than ever before;
the female prison population stands nearly eight times higher
than its population count in 1980.
More than 60% of women in state prisons
have a child under the age of 18.
Between 1980 and 2014, the number of incarcerated women
increased by more than 700%, rising from a total of
26,378 in 1980 to 215,332 in 2014.

Incarcerated Women and Girls- The Sentencing Project

Choices have consequences!

There are plenty of children whose parent is locked up.
There are plenty of families ripped apart because of criminal actions.

Parents will send their children out with strangers
to make it here...and never do or are abused along the way.

There are mother's and father's
who leave their families to come here.

Parents risk their lives and that of their children
just trying to make it across the border.

How many innocent families endure hardship
because of identity theft by an illegal immigrant?

When you break the law, you take a risk of being caught.
Just because you don't like the law, doesn't change anything!

 

[anotherlife]

[

Criminal courts allow defense of the criminal. Immigration courts don't allow defense of the immigrant.

Life's a bitch, ain't it?

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

But the immigrants want to do the time, only they are not allowed because they get deported. Now how is this fair?

ALL immigrants need to be treated the same (whether from Mexico or those nations over seas) when it comes to our Federal laws. We should not consider two sets of immigration laws, because one group finds it easier and more convenient to sneak across the border. To treat two groups of immigrants differently implies favoritism, not equality nor equal rights. We are a nation of immigrants from multiple nations who each desire the same opportunity towards a better life. To consider legislation that gives special treatment based on circumstances of their own doing (breaking the law), is an insult to those others from other nations who seek and undergo the long government scrutiny of being vetted through the legal process. Federal legislation needs to cater to ALL immigrants WITH the respect to its enforcement, which is why we have laws written, debated, passed, and signed into law in the first place. Do we have the right to challenge drunk driving laws, or capital punishment for murder / serial killers, imprisionment for rapists, etc. because the individual got caught and their own actions resulted in the tearing apart of those families? Where is the accountability? Can you tell me where exactly is this respect our laws, and accepted responsibility of those who break them?

There has always been favoritism in u.s. Immigration because it has always been based on a quota system. If you immigrated from a small country like Denmark then you were preferential number of quota. But If you immigrated from something like China, them you had to wait for decades for your quota number to get current.

My point was, that a criminal is allowed to try to defend himself in front of a judge before he gets what he earns. But an immigrant is not allowed this.

Also, the government processes that administer legal immigration are patchy. For example, during the Bush administration, application fees for legal immigration were accepted, but all service was halted for like three years even though it was all paid for. Would an American accept if some government takes his application fees or license fees or whatever fees, then doesn't provide the service that those fees were collected for? If not then why is it okay to do this against foreign applicants?

According to Federal Immigration laws, Congress has the control over immigration policy, while the president has been given the ultimate authority regarding the number refugees allowed entry. Our Immigration policy has always favored family sponsored immigrants as well as an employment based preference within a predetermined immigration cap, most likely because there is someone who can speak for the character of the individual seeking citizenship. This is specifically important surrounding those events of 9-11 which permanently changed the face of our immigration policy as a whole, where a specific extreme religious ideology has personally identified themselves as the selected "group" responsible for the attacks. The United States didn't make that determination of any religious group or ideology, it was identified for us by those SPECIFICALLY involved in terrorist acts. This is why, liberals can't site the excuse of religious discrimination, as the United States is making efforts to identify such militants that saught responsibility for their extreme religious cause they have identified specific allegiance to. Our government has to be allowed to do their job, as it's their Constitutional duty to protect and defend the citizens of the United States FIRST.

Yes, I do see and agree this is a long process. I also know of someone who is here with his parents and has to wait a few years for his wife to be allowed entry with her pathway to citizenship. However, we must not discredit their efforts because we see a "voting block" we want to reach for our own political gain and power. Yet that is what the democrats see in their proposed fast track process, they DON'T CARE about those immigrants who have to spend years (coming overseas) and seeking the same opportunity while respecting our Federal immigration laws.

Note I said Federal, as the individual states have not been given any constitutional authority to determine their own rules of how to deal with illegal immigration. There is also no prior constitutional backed law, through the Supreme Court, that grants the states authority in determining their own path to handle illegal immigration outside of the Federal Government's Constitutional authority.

I must disagree with half of this. I agree that congressional federal legislation governs US immigration, and the president has the power over its execution including its numbers. But the facts contradict the rest.

US immigration services are corrupt. Records show, that during democrat presidents, such as Obama, this corruption is a lot less than during republican presidents.

For example, a simple Internet search reveals, that president W Bush tripled the immigrant visa application fees, but many immigration centers kept posting on their websites that they don't proceed with adjudicating submitted applications due to lack of funding.

So, if Americans were able to differentiate between legal things and illegal things, then the first question about immigration should be why a person should pay serious money for an application fee, only to see that the government does absolutely nothing but cashing is cheque?

Like a racket, the government then forces half of the immigrants to pay even more fees if they still want any official to look at their applications, because the immigrants incur immigration court fees when they end up suing the government with a writ mandamus to get an immigration court adjudicate their applications instead of the immigration service.

That is how republican administrations kill off legal immigration. Basically republicans turn immigration into a racket as researched and explained above.

After this, why are immigration laws important and why are illegal immigrants important? Doesn't at least the government need to develop some commitment to deliver its own contractual obligations, before it judges others? The facts indicate then, that congress and republican presidents including the entire immigration service have no interest in identifying militants and protecting American citizens, their interest is to use these buzzwords to pay themselves more executive bonuses.