Dems won't raise taxes either

[Wiseacre]

All this crap about the Repubs not willing to raise taxes, well neither are some democrats. First of all, they had 2 whole years of total control, didn't do squat. Seems to me no lib/dem has the right to squawk.

But even now the Senate dems could pass a bill to do it, a budget resolution only requires 51 votes. So why doesn't Harry Reid put it up for a vote? Simple - he ain't got the 51 votes. Some realize raising taxes now is a bad idea for the economy, many won't vote to raise tax rates even on the rich, unless they've got political cover. Some would be willing to cut tax expenditures like oil, gas, and ethanol subsidies among others, or other loopholes and tax breaks, but other senators won't go along if it's their constituents who have to pay the price. Landrieu of LA, Nelson of NE, and Begich of AK will not support stopping the oil subsidies, 13 dem senators voted to kill the ethanol subsidy, and Nelson of FL and Begich are even against a surtax on the millionaires.

Point is, it's not only the GOP that doesn't want to raise taxes. You can rant all you want about what most Americans want in one poll or another, but repubs aren't the only ones who aren't paying attention.

PS: got most of this info from an op-ed in the WSJ. No link, it's propriety.

 

[percysunshine]

I don't think we should call his bluff. He might go to the American People.

 

[DontBeStupid]

All this crap about the Repubs not willing to raise taxes, well neither are some democrats. First of all, they had 2 whole years of total control, didn't do squat.

Actually, the Dems never had a super majority at any point the past two years.

 

[hellofromwarsaw]

Actually, they only had a supermajority for about 6 months, from the Senator from Mn. Stuart what'sisname, AL FRANKEN, finally getting his seat in May, till Scott Brown in Dec., (DAMN), and they didn't want to raise taxes in deepest recession, and Obama wasted time trying to get some Pub votes for health reform. Obvious NOW we realize the Pubs may NEVER act like human beings...LOL. But Obama won't give up.The only adult around...tyvm

Pub dupes!!

 

[kwc57]

All this crap about the Repubs not willing to raise taxes, well neither are some democrats. First of all, they had 2 whole years of total control, didn't do squat. Seems to me no lib/dem has the right to squawk.

But even now the Senate dems could pass a bill to do it, a budget resolution only requires 51 votes. So why doesn't Harry Reid put it up for a vote? Simple - he ain't got the 51 votes. Some realize raising taxes now is a bad idea for the economy, many won't vote to raise tax rates even on the rich, unless they've got political cover. Some would be willing to cut tax expenditures like oil, gas, and ethanol subsidies among others, or other loopholes and tax breaks, but other senators won't go along if it's their constituents who have to pay the price. Landrieu of LA, Nelson of NE, and Begich of AK will not support stopping the oil subsidies, 13 dem senators voted to kill the ethanol subsidy, and Nelson of FL and Begich are even against a surtax on the millionaires.

Point is, it's not only the GOP that doesn't want to raise taxes. You can rant all you want about what most Americans want in one poll or another, but repubs aren't the only ones who aren't paying attention.
PS: got most of this info from an op-ed in the WSJ. No link, it's propriety.

Actually, they are. Most Americans don't want taxes to be raised. That was the deal they made with their constituents. Elect us and we pledge to not raise taxes. They got elected and they are keeping their word.

 

[ShackledNation]

All this crap about the Repubs not willing to raise taxes, well neither are some democrats. First of all, they had 2 whole years of total control, didn't do squat.

Actually, the Dems never had a super majority at any point the past two years.

You need a super majority to control both houses and to raise taxes?

 

[hellofromwarsaw]

Yup. Not 2 years, 6 months. 80% want to raise TAXES ON THE RICH. You dupes are HIGHLY misled. You think in STUPID bumper stickers. Strong and WRONG.

 

[DontBeStupid]

Actually, they only had a supermajority for about 6 months, from the Senator from Mn. Stuart what'sisname, AL FRANKEN, finally getting his seat in May, till Scott Brown in Dec., (DAMN), and they didn't want to raise taxes in deepest recession, and Obama wasted time trying to get some Pub votes for health reform. Obvious NOW we realize the Pubs may NEVER act like human beings...LOL. But Obama won't give up.The only adult around...tyvm

Pub dupes!!

Not even then. There were never 60 Dems in the Senate for the 111th.

 

[DontBeStupid]

All this crap about the Repubs not willing to raise taxes, well neither are some democrats. First of all, they had 2 whole years of total control, didn't do squat.

Actually, the Dems never had a super majority at any point the past two years.

You need a super majority to control both houses and to raise taxes?

When the GOP pledges to filibuster pretty much everything, pretty much yes, yes you do.

 

[Seawytch]

All this crap about the Repubs not willing to raise taxes, well neither are some democrats. First of all, they had 2 whole years of total control, didn't do squat. Seems to me no lib/dem has the right to squawk.

But even now the Senate dems could pass a bill to do it, a budget resolution only requires 51 votes. So why doesn't Harry Reid put it up for a vote? Simple - he ain't got the 51 votes. Some realize raising taxes now is a bad idea for the economy, many won't vote to raise tax rates even on the rich, unless they've got political cover. Some would be willing to cut tax expenditures like oil, gas, and ethanol subsidies among others, or other loopholes and tax breaks, but other senators won't go along if it's their constituents who have to pay the price. Landrieu of LA, Nelson of NE, and Begich of AK will not support stopping the oil subsidies, 13 dem senators voted to kill the ethanol subsidy, and Nelson of FL and Begich are even against a surtax on the millionaires.

Point is, it's not only the GOP that doesn't want to raise taxes. You can rant all you want about what most Americans want in one poll or another, but repubs aren't the only ones who aren't paying attention.
PS: got most of this info from an op-ed in the WSJ. No link, it's propriety.

Actually, they are. Most Americans don't want taxes to be raised. That was the deal they made with their constituents. Elect us and we pledge to not raise taxes. They got elected and they are keeping their word.

When given the choice between raising taxes or decimating SS and/or Medicare, the majority of Americans choose raising taxes. Nobody WANTS to do either, but the previous administrations have left us little choice.

 

[ShackledNation]

Actually, the Dems never had a super majority at any point the past two years.

You need a super majority to control both houses and to raise taxes?

When the GOP pledges to filibuster pretty much everything, pretty much yes, yes you do.

Most tax hikes are threatened with filibuster from the opposing party, and most occurred without super majorities. Taxation bills originate in the house, and could have easily passed without conflict. I doubt a filibuster would have lasted.

 

[hellofromwarsaw]

#11: You haven't noticed that Nazi style (lockstep) Pubs have filibustered basically EVERYTHING since Scott Brown got in? You must live in Foxworld...

 

[hellofromwarsaw]

It's going to be Harry Truman's "Do nothing" Repubs again come 2012. Dismal tools...

Deport Murdoch!!

 

[MikeK]

All this crap about the Repubs not willing to raise taxes, well neither are some democrats. First of all, they had 2 whole years of total control, didn't do squat. Seems to me no lib/dem has the right to squawk.

I agree. There are Blue Dog Democrats who are owned by corporate sponsors.

But even now the Senate dems could pass a bill to do it, a budget resolution only requires 51 votes. So why doesn't Harry Reid put it up for a vote? Simple - he ain't got the 51 votes. Some realize raising taxes now is a bad idea for the economy, many won't vote to raise tax rates even on the rich, unless they've got political cover. Some would be willing to cut tax expenditures like oil, gas, and ethanol subsidies among others, or other loopholes and tax breaks, but other senators won't go along if it's their constituents who have to pay the price. Landrieu of LA, Nelson of NE, and Begich of AK will not support stopping the oil subsidies, 13 dem senators voted to kill the ethanol subsidy, and Nelson of FL and Begich are even against a surtax on the millionaires.

Point is, it's not only the GOP that doesn't want to raise taxes. You can rant all you want about what most Americans want in one poll or another, but repubs aren't the only ones who aren't paying attention.

PS: got most of this info from an op-ed in the WSJ. No link, it's propriety.

The way around it is Obama starts naming names on national tv.

"Here are the representatives who are voting to compromise Social Security and Madicare rather than raise taxes on corporations and the rich."

Do that a few times and there will be more abrupt about faces in the House and Senate than on the Parris Island Drill Field.

 

[Wiseacre]

The reconciliation process limits debate to 20 hours and bypasses the filibuster altogether. It was instituted to ensure that minority obstruction couldn’t block important business like passing a budget or reducing the deficit.


The Senate could put raising taxes to a vote under this process, but as I said Harry Reid doesn't have the votes. You really think if he did they wouldn't have done this already? Please, there's nothing either side wouldn't do to embarass the other if they could find a way and had the necessary votes.

C'mon now you guys, you know very well that democratic senators from the farm belt voted against stopping the ethanol subsidies, as well as the repub senators did. Same for the other special interests, it's not like the dems will all vote to raise taxes or strrip tax subsidies and loopholes. What we have here is yet another example of the pot calling the kettle black, this time the dems are doing it.

 

[Richard-H]

All this crap about the Repubs not willing to raise taxes, well neither are some democrats. First of all, they had 2 whole years of total control, didn't do squat. Seems to me no lib/dem has the right to squawk.

But even now the Senate dems could pass a bill to do it, a budget resolution only requires 51 votes. So why doesn't Harry Reid put it up for a vote? Simple - he ain't got the 51 votes. Some realize raising taxes now is a bad idea for the economy, many won't vote to raise tax rates even on the rich, unless they've got political cover. Some would be willing to cut tax expenditures like oil, gas, and ethanol subsidies among others, or other loopholes and tax breaks, but other senators won't go along if it's their constituents who have to pay the price. Landrieu of LA, Nelson of NE, and Begich of AK will not support stopping the oil subsidies, 13 dem senators voted to kill the ethanol subsidy, and Nelson of FL and Begich are even against a surtax on the millionaires.

Point is, it's not only the GOP that doesn't want to raise taxes. You can rant all you want about what most Americans want in one poll or another, but repubs aren't the only ones who aren't paying attention.

PS: got most of this info from an op-ed in the WSJ. No link, it's propriety.

Nope. You and the WSJ are wrong.

From the U.S. Constitution:

"All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills."

 

[Zona]

Is the OP new to politics or just trolling..?

 

[Wiseacre]

All this crap about the Repubs not willing to raise taxes, well neither are some democrats. First of all, they had 2 whole years of total control, didn't do squat. Seems to me no lib/dem has the right to squawk.

But even now the Senate dems could pass a bill to do it, a budget resolution only requires 51 votes. So why doesn't Harry Reid put it up for a vote? Simple - he ain't got the 51 votes. Some realize raising taxes now is a bad idea for the economy, many won't vote to raise tax rates even on the rich, unless they've got political cover. Some would be willing to cut tax expenditures like oil, gas, and ethanol subsidies among others, or other loopholes and tax breaks, but other senators won't go along if it's their constituents who have to pay the price. Landrieu of LA, Nelson of NE, and Begich of AK will not support stopping the oil subsidies, 13 dem senators voted to kill the ethanol subsidy, and Nelson of FL and Begich are even against a surtax on the millionaires.

Point is, it's not only the GOP that doesn't want to raise taxes. You can rant all you want about what most Americans want in one poll or another, but repubs aren't the only ones who aren't paying attention.

PS: got most of this info from an op-ed in the WSJ. No link, it's propriety.

Nope. You and the WSJ are wrong.

From the U.S. Constitution:

"All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills."

It is you who is wrong. The Senate can use the reconciliation process to amend an existing bill, and they only need 51 votes.

 

[ShackledNation]

All this crap about the Repubs not willing to raise taxes, well neither are some democrats. First of all, they had 2 whole years of total control, didn't do squat. Seems to me no lib/dem has the right to squawk.

But even now the Senate dems could pass a bill to do it, a budget resolution only requires 51 votes. So why doesn't Harry Reid put it up for a vote? Simple - he ain't got the 51 votes. Some realize raising taxes now is a bad idea for the economy, many won't vote to raise tax rates even on the rich, unless they've got political cover. Some would be willing to cut tax expenditures like oil, gas, and ethanol subsidies among others, or other loopholes and tax breaks, but other senators won't go along if it's their constituents who have to pay the price. Landrieu of LA, Nelson of NE, and Begich of AK will not support stopping the oil subsidies, 13 dem senators voted to kill the ethanol subsidy, and Nelson of FL and Begich are even against a surtax on the millionaires.

Point is, it's not only the GOP that doesn't want to raise taxes. You can rant all you want about what most Americans want in one poll or another, but repubs aren't the only ones who aren't paying attention.

PS: got most of this info from an op-ed in the WSJ. No link, it's propriety.

Nope. You and the WSJ are wrong.

From the U.S. Constitution:

"All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills."

It is you who is wrong. The Senate can use the reconciliation process to amend an existing bill, and they only need 51 votes.

Amend.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

All this crap about the Repubs not willing to raise taxes, well neither are some democrats. First of all, they had 2 whole years of total control, didn't do squat.

Actually, the Dems never had a super majority at any point the past two years.

What planet do you live on?