Dems want tax on "rich": Whoever they are

[rightwinger]

Exactly, it's not a coincidence that 50% of the country pay 4% of Federal taxes and 5% of the country pay 60%. Sure it's stupid because it bites them in their jobs, but it sells at the polling booth.

Really shows the disparity in income and wealth in this country doesn't it? That 5% monopolize the majority of available wealth and we are supposed to feel sorry for them for having to pay taxes on it

Great argument, too bad it's a lie. The top 1% pay 40% of the federal taxes...and have 20% of the income... The bottom 50% have far more then 4% of the income. The first step in not being a Partisan automaton RW is choosing to be an individual. When I realized in 1992 the Republican party did not represent me, I left. I didn't find factoids that sounded good and were lies to support them. I stopped supporting them.

If you care about jobs or the economy, the last thing you would do would be to vote for a Democrat. If you support wealth redistribution, you'd be right there. I guess we know the answer to that one, don't we?

I left the Republican party in 1992 also. It became clear that they were no longer a party with my interests at heart and were going to slash taxes and increase spending regardless of the cost. The GOP makes no pretext of standing up for working Americans and ensuring a level playing field

We, as a nation, gave republicans a chance to prove their ideology. We slashed taxes, deregulated business, ran up debt........the promised jobs and prosperity never appeared. Time to reverse those failed policies and return to some sanity

 

[Inthemiddle]

Why is it class warfare to raise taxes on the rich, but not class warfare to raise taxes on the poor?

 

[kaz]

Really shows the disparity in income and wealth in this country doesn't it? That 5% monopolize the majority of available wealth and we are supposed to feel sorry for them for having to pay taxes on it

Can you show me the link on who said the wealthy shouldn't have to pay taxes?

Gladly...

Just read up this thread to where You whine about the 5% have to pay 60% of the taxes. If they didn't have so much income it wouldn't be a problem would it?

So my choices are that I can want to increase taxes on the rich or I'm whining they have to pay any taxes? And you were a Republican? Sure you were...

 

[kaz]

Really shows the disparity in income and wealth in this country doesn't it? That 5% monopolize the majority of available wealth and we are supposed to feel sorry for them for having to pay taxes on it

Great argument, too bad it's a lie. The top 1% pay 40% of the federal taxes...and have 20% of the income... The bottom 50% have far more then 4% of the income. The first step in not being a Partisan automaton RW is choosing to be an individual. When I realized in 1992 the Republican party did not represent me, I left. I didn't find factoids that sounded good and were lies to support them. I stopped supporting them.

If you care about jobs or the economy, the last thing you would do would be to vote for a Democrat. If you support wealth redistribution, you'd be right there. I guess we know the answer to that one, don't we?

I left the Republican party in 1992 also. It became clear that they were no longer a party with my interests at heart and were going to slash taxes and increase spending regardless of the cost. The GOP makes no pretext of standing up for working Americans and ensuring a level playing field

We, as a nation, gave republicans a chance to prove their ideology. We slashed taxes, deregulated business, ran up debt........the promised jobs and prosperity never appeared. Time to reverse those failed policies and return to some sanity

You were a Republican...and I was a Rockette...

It's amazing how all you who spend all day blowing the Marxist in the White House used to be Republicans until you woke up one day and realized that OMG, they aren't socialists. I'm not sure why you all make that argument, it's pretty stupid. Wouldn't it be easier to just be Democrats? They already are socialists.

I do admire on the left though how the more you get what you want the more desperately shrill you become that you're losing everything. There is no rational way to respond to that drivel. Our country is far more socialist then at any time in our history. Our government confiscates and spends one out of every 4 dollars generated in this country. Yet you can still whine and try to maintain a straight face that there is no government left at all. Gotcha, "right" winger...

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I sort of agree with you. What I disagree with is the suggestion that this is somehow unusual. As one of the administration's top economists acknowledged in the article,

"There is economic literature on optimal taxation, but that ain't what motivates these decisions," said Jared Bernstein, an economist and former economic advisor to Vice President Joe Biden.

In short, the laws passed by Congress are indeed political. That isn't an inherent quality either of the current Congress or of the Democratic party, though. Despite the fact that there tends to be more consensus on economic issues in the Republican party than in the Democratic party, the Republican policies are still see some disagreement, and of course they are politically motivated.

Much of the current disagreement stems from issues other than ideology. For Senators like Schumer who represent constituencies with a high cost of living, keeping the bar at which new taxes would kick in high is a parochial concern. For other Senators, their goal is to craft legislation that can pass, regardless of what tax policy their personal ideology points them towards.

It isn't unusual that a president with failing ratings is now campaigning against "The Rich"? When was the last time you remember that happening? Bush? No. Clinton? No. Bush? No. Reagan? No. Carter? No.
Nope, I cannot remember a single time that a president ran against "The Rich".
Maybe FDR.

Ya' gotta calm-down, dude.

"We can’t allow"....
.....more coverage of Occupy Wall Street

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[kaz]

Why is it class warfare to raise taxes on the rich, but not class warfare to raise taxes on the poor?

1 out of 100 American workers pay 40% of all federal taxes. 1 out of 20 American workers pay 60% of all federal taxes. 1 out of 2 American workers pay no Federal taxes. As long as it's going to equalize that and not reverse it, it's not "class warfare."

You are a citizen or a subject. If you contribute nothing to our government and yet take from it, you do not have a stake in our success, you are a subject of our government. Electing the warden doesn't make you a free man.

 

[rightwinger]

Great argument, too bad it's a lie. The top 1% pay 40% of the federal taxes...and have 20% of the income... The bottom 50% have far more then 4% of the income. The first step in not being a Partisan automaton RW is choosing to be an individual. When I realized in 1992 the Republican party did not represent me, I left. I didn't find factoids that sounded good and were lies to support them. I stopped supporting them.

If you care about jobs or the economy, the last thing you would do would be to vote for a Democrat. If you support wealth redistribution, you'd be right there. I guess we know the answer to that one, don't we?

I left the Republican party in 1992 also. It became clear that they were no longer a party with my interests at heart and were going to slash taxes and increase spending regardless of the cost. The GOP makes no pretext of standing up for working Americans and ensuring a level playing field

We, as a nation, gave republicans a chance to prove their ideology. We slashed taxes, deregulated business, ran up debt........the promised jobs and prosperity never appeared. Time to reverse those failed policies and return to some sanity

You were a Republican...and I was a Rockette...

It's amazing how all you who spend all day blowing the Marxist in the White House used to be Republicans until you woke up one day and realized that OMG, they aren't socialists. I'm not sure why you all make that argument, it's pretty stupid. Wouldn't it be easier to just be Democrats? They already are socialists.

I do admire on the left though how the more you get what you want the more desperately shrill you become that you're losing everything. There is no rational way to respond to that drivel. Our country is far more socialist then at any time in our history. Our government confiscates and spends one out of every 4 dollars generated in this country. Yet you can still whine and try to maintain a straight face that there is no government left at all. Gotcha, "right" winger...

I am still a registered Republican...FACT

I voted for Reagan and Daddy Bush four times ....FACT

I hate what has become of the once Grand Old Party.......FACT

You have no idea what socialism is....FACT

 

[rdean]

We know who they aren't.

 

[kaz]

I am still a registered Republican...FACT

I voted for Reagan and Daddy Bush four times ....FACT

I hate what has become of the once Grand Old Party.......FACT

You have no idea what socialism is....FACT

I have never once seen you post anything that isn't completely and utterly self serving to the Democratic party.....FACT

 

[Jackson]

We know who they aren't.

Why Are Democrats Richer than Republicans?

Tom Kando

...And here is another thing: On average, Republicans are poorer than Democrats! Just go figure. When it comes to economics, it should be pretty simple. There are two basic political attitudes, and you would expect them to correlate with how rich a person is: you would expect both the rich and the poor to vote their pocketbook.

The rich would vote for lower taxes and for the government to butt out, i.e. Republican, conservative. The poor would vote for more re-distribution of wealth, more government services, i.e. Democratic, liberal. But, lo and behold, it’s the opposite!

Even though there is a lot of overlap, the statistics are clear: The average income of the 100 million or so Republicans is LOWER than that of the 150 million or so Democrats!

 

[thereisnospoon]

Its a shame that congress makes so much but our soldiers barely make it paycheck to paycheck.. I think our priorities are messed up

........and cops.......and firefighters..........and teachers........

Really? Pick a town/city.....see what NJ's public employees are paid..before benefits. Before overtime.
Don't give me this "poor abused public worker" bullshit.
Even in states where wages are more realistic, public worker benefits far and away exceed those in the private sector.
That's wrong. Those who serve should not be better or worse off than the served.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Its a shame that congress makes so much but our soldiers barely make it paycheck to paycheck.. I think our priorities are messed up

........and cops.......and firefighters..........and teachers........

Lions tigers and bears oh my......
Cops aren't legally obligated to protect anyone so you are paying for something you may or may not get

I get tired of firemen association calling my house asking for money
For the poor little children always when the guberment needs more money they use children has their victims
oh my

 

[Money]

I am still a registered Republican...FACT

I voted for Reagan and Daddy Bush four times ....FACT

I hate what has become of the once Grand Old Party.......FACT

You have no idea what socialism is....FACT

I have never once seen you post anything that isn't completely and utterly self serving to the Democratic party.....FACT

There are many voters who are like this. Bottom line: Wall Street Republicans and Bible Belt Republicans are not the same demographic. This change of the guard has changed the GOP.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Its a shame that congress makes so much but our soldiers barely make it paycheck to paycheck.. I think our priorities are messed up

........and cops.......and firefighters..........and teachers........

Really? Pick a town/city.....see what NJ's public employees are paid..before benefits. Before overtime.
Don't give me this "poor abused public worker" bullshit.
Even in states where wages are more realistic, public worker benefits far and away exceed those in the private sector.
That's wrong. Those who serve should not be better or worse off than the served.

Jealous?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Its a shame that congress makes so much but our soldiers barely make it paycheck to paycheck.. I think our priorities are messed up

........and cops.......and firefighters..........and teachers........

Lions tigers and bears oh my......
Cops aren't legally obligated to protect anyone so you are paying for something you may or may not get

I get tired of firemen association calling my house asking for money
For the poor little children always when the guberment needs more money they use children has their victims
oh my

Make sure you call your GOP reps and demand that they run for re-election on an anti-cop and firefighter platform. They'll probably be with you on teachers. They know that dummies elected them.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

........and cops.......and firefighters..........and teachers........

Lions tigers and bears oh my......
Cops aren't legally obligated to protect anyone so you are paying for something you may or may not get

I get tired of firemen association calling my house asking for money
For the poor little children always when the guberment needs more money they use children has their victims
oh my

Make sure you call your GOP reps and demand that they run for re-election on an anti-cop and firefighter platform. They'll probably be with you on teachers. They know that dummies elected them.

anti cop? It's not being anti cop saying that the cops are not legally obilgated to protect anyone.
It's not anti firemen when you are tired of paying taxes and the firemen call your house at least twice a month asking for money.

 

[oreo]

Much of the current disagreement stems from issues other than ideology. For Senators like Schumer who represent constituencies with a high cost of living, keeping the bar at which new taxes would kick in high is a parochial concern. For other Senators, their goal is to craft legislation that can pass, regardless of what tax policy their personal ideology points them towards.

Makes me think that perhaps income taxes shouldn't be bracketed strictly by income, but with a computational offset for cost of living. How could we do that?

There's no way you can do that. Cost of living is normally set off by higher wages anyway. Take a look at what someone working in NYC makes compared to someone in Liberal Kansas. Much higher paying jobs in NYC--to offset the cost of living in that state.

 

[oreo]

I sort of agree with you. What I disagree with is the suggestion that this is somehow unusual. As one of the administration's top economists acknowledged in the article,

"There is economic literature on optimal taxation, but that ain't what motivates these decisions," said Jared Bernstein, an economist and former economic advisor to Vice President Joe Biden.

In short, the laws passed by Congress are indeed political. That isn't an inherent quality either of the current Congress or of the Democratic party, though. Despite the fact that there tends to be more consensus on economic issues in the Republican party than in the Democratic party, the Republican policies are still see some disagreement, and of course they are politically motivated.

Much of the current disagreement stems from issues other than ideology. For Senators like Schumer who represent constituencies with a high cost of living, keeping the bar at which new taxes would kick in high is a parochial concern. For other Senators, their goal is to craft legislation that can pass, regardless of what tax policy their personal ideology points them towards.

It isn't unusual that a president with failing ratings is now campaigning against "The Rich"? When was the last time you remember that happening? Bush? No. Clinton? No. Bush? No. Reagan? No. Carter? No.
Nope, I cannot remember a single time that a president ran against "The Rich".
Maybe FDR.

I don't think FDR demonized successful people in this country. BARACK OBAMA is the only President who campaigns and runs AGAINST successful people in this country--setting up his class warfare.

One political punddnt stated that Obama talks and acts more like a dictator in a 3rd world country with his class warfare rhetoric--and not the leader of the free world.

And if you think about it--he does. Obama has declared war on success in this country--and is the 1st President in the history of the United States that has campaigned on it--in his policy of punishing success while rewarding failure.

 

[francoHFW]

I sort of agree with you. What I disagree with is the suggestion that this is somehow unusual. As one of the administration's top economists acknowledged in the article,

"There is economic literature on optimal taxation, but that ain't what motivates these decisions," said Jared Bernstein, an economist and former economic advisor to Vice President Joe Biden.

In short, the laws passed by Congress are indeed political. That isn't an inherent quality either of the current Congress or of the Democratic party, though. Despite the fact that there tends to be more consensus on economic issues in the Republican party than in the Democratic party, the Republican policies are still see some disagreement, and of course they are politically motivated.

Much of the current disagreement stems from issues other than ideology. For Senators like Schumer who represent constituencies with a high cost of living, keeping the bar at which new taxes would kick in high is a parochial concern. For other Senators, their goal is to craft legislation that can pass, regardless of what tax policy their personal ideology points them towards.

It isn't unusual that a president with failing ratings is now campaigning against "The Rich"? When was the last time you remember that happening? Bush? No. Clinton? No. Bush? No. Reagan? No. Carter? No.
Nope, I cannot remember a single time that a president ran against "The Rich".
Maybe FDR.

I don't think FDR demonized successful people in this country. BARACK OBAMA is the only President who campaigns and runs AGAINST successful people in this country--setting up his class warfare.

One political punddnt stated that Obama talks and acts more like a dictator in a 3rd world country with his class warfare rhetoric--and not the leader of the free world.

And if you think about it--he does. Obama has declared war on success in this country--and is the 1st President in the history of the United States that has campaigned on it--in his policy of punishing success while rewarding failure.

Pure unadulterated brainwashed Fox crappe.

 

[oreo]

It isn't unusual that a president with failing ratings is now campaigning against "The Rich"? When was the last time you remember that happening? Bush? No. Clinton? No. Bush? No. Reagan? No. Carter? No.
Nope, I cannot remember a single time that a president ran against "The Rich".
Maybe FDR.

I don't think FDR demonized successful people in this country. BARACK OBAMA is the only President who campaigns and runs AGAINST successful people in this country--setting up his class warfare.

One political punddnt stated that Obama talks and acts more like a dictator in a 3rd world country with his class warfare rhetoric--and not the leader of the free world.

And if you think about it--he does. Obama has declared war on success in this country--and is the 1st President in the history of the United States that has campaigned on it--in his policy of punishing success while rewarding failure.

Pure unadulterated brainwashed Fox crappe.

Well you don't have to believe me--hear it from one of you OWN--a CEO and a DEMOCRAT.

“I’m saying it bluntly, that this administration is the greatest wet blanket to business, progress and job creation in my lifetime. A lot of people don’t want to say that. They’ll say, ‘Oh God, don’t be attacking Obama.’ Well, this is Obama’s deal, and it’s Obama that’s responsible for this fear in America.”

“The guy [Obama] keeps making speeches about redistribution, and maybe ‘we ought to do something to businesses that don’t invest or hold too much money.’ We haven’t heard that kind of talk except from pure socialists.”

“Business is being hammered. The business community in this country is frightened to death of the weird political philosophy of the president of the United States. Until he’s gone, everybody’s going to be sitting on their thumbs.”

Democrat--Steve Wynn of Wynn's resort and casino--Las Vegas Nevada.

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