Dems offing selves: Suicide on DU

[Abbey Normal]

I forget the movie, but there's a Michael Douglas flick where he portrays one of these people, who gets stuck in traffic, loses his cool and goes on a killing spree of blacks, Korean grocers, etc. If this mentality didn't exist and appeal to a lot of people Hollywood wouldn't waste money on something like that. I think the movie was successful as well.

I'm going to have to disagree with this. Hollywood loves any chance to portray white, consrvative suburban males as crazed, immoral haters just one step away from going off the deep end. Not all are as blatant as the movie you are talking about, but one that comes to mind is the Oscar-winning (I think) "American Beauty". The father needed to "learn the lesson" that his rigid conservative, anti-gay thinking was wrong, and underneath it all, he was really the immoral one. Given time to think about it, I am sure there are dozens and dozens of other examples.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

No, you need to evaluate who has the biggest abnormal obsession with destroying the other. If you think it's bigger on the left, fine, but I don't see it that way.

to me, the sheer number of lies and scale of the distortion is a quantifier of that desire to destroy. How much wil you lie? How much hate will you inculcate? The left must be destroyed when it's going insane. Sometimes destruction is a rational act. We just gotta evaluate, like I been saying here.

 

[Gunny]

I see a lot of anger on the right, especially from unsuccessful white men who think they would have been successful if not for blacks and women getting all the jobs/power that feel they were entitled to. The blame game is not a liberal/Democrat/left monopoly.

I did not say it was. I just see it as more prevalent on the left. While I don't know about "entitled" I have seen firsthand in the military affirmative action screw otherwise perfectly qualified white men due to race/gender quotas. People tend to forget the government uses the military for its social experiments prior to unlweashing them on the populace.

IMO, that IS an injustice and justifies anger from those who are victims of it.

 

[Abbey Normal]

Doing a bit of research the other day on the Ivy League school, University of Pennsylvania, I noticed that they state that their enrollment is around 44% minority. Given the percentage of minorities in the general population, could one reasonably assume that this large a number admitted means that white male students who were more qualified, were rejected to make room for less qualified minority students? Just wondering...

 

[Nuc]

I'm going to have to disagree with this. Hollywood loves any chance to portray white, consrvative suburban males as crazed, immoral haters just one step away from going off the deep end. Not all are as blatant as the movie you are talking about, but one that comes to mind is the Oscar-winning (I think) "American Beauty". The father needed to "learn the lesson" that his rigid conservative, anti-gay thinking was wrong, and underneath it all, he was really the immoral one. Given time to think about it, I am sure there are dozens and dozens of other examples.

So in the case of this Douglas movie, the entertainment value was for liberals laughing at the Douglas character for what an uptight white dweeb he was? There were no disaffected white males identifying with the character and cheering him on? I doubt that's correct.

 

[Said1]

to me, the sheer number of lies and scale of the distortion is a quantifier of that desire to destroy. How much wil you lie? How much hate will you inculcate? The left must be destroyed when it's going insane. Sometimes destruction is a rational act. We just gotta evaluate, like I been saying here.

People do the above on the right too, becoming so obsessed with something you have so little control over is not rational. I'm talking about everyday people, not politicians....mostly.

 

[Nuc]

I did not say it was. I just see it as more prevalent on the left.

And people on the left see it more from the right. One thing everyone can agree upon is that their own farts smell the best!

 

[Gunny]

Me.



No, we're saying the same thing, you just agree with conservatives more than liberals. I'm saying they're all wacked.

Revelation time ...... 25-30 years ago I was considered a liberal. Although my political points of view have not changed much, somebody (Jimmy Carter) slid the rug out form under me, and many other of what are now labelled moderate conservatives. I feel no special affiliation with the right-wing extremists, but I despise the left extremists because they wish to destroy those morals/values that have made this Nation the best one going today.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Avenger, give us all a break with this idea of the "Great Democratic Enemy Within." We're all Americans except for Said , and we all want what's best for our country. Plus, I really don't see where you're coming from with the "deception" and "censorship" remarks, especially when the Bush administration has already been found guilty of it:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/01/politics/01educ.html?pagewanted=1&incamp=article_popular

Whatever dude. Go to democraticunderground.com and make one conservative remark. You'll be instantly banned. They can't handle free speech. Hence, why they love consorship and practice it all levels of their organizations and wish to inflict it on society as a whole.

Deception? You have to argue with a lib an hour before they admit they're socialists. They always are. They just wiggle around with words, changing meanings mid conversation, changing topics, backpedalling. It's just not honest. It's DECEPTIVE.

So yes, "deception" and "censorship". I'm happy with your selection of these two as the focus words of my remarks. I am evidently on message and effective.

 

[Abbey Normal]

So in the case of this Douglas movie, the entertainment value was for liberals laughing at the Douglas character for what an uptight white dweeb he was? There were no disaffected white males identifying with the character and cheering him on? I doubt that's correct.

Probably some of both, but I would maintain that these white conservative nutjob roles are written to make white conservatives look like nutjobs. It's a somewhat subtle and widespread way of pushing the liberal agenda.

 

[Nuc]

Probably some of both, but I would maintain that these white conservative nutjob roles are written to make white conservatives look like nutjobs. It's a somewhat subtle and widespread way of pushing the liberal agenda.

Hate to break the news to you but they'll make a movie glorifying kiddie porn, mercenaries, feminism, drugs, basketball or whatever. The ONLY thing they care about is making money. And they make money by creating things that appeal to the masses or at least large segments of the population.

 

[Gunny]

So in the case of this Douglas movie, the entertainment value was for liberals laughing at the Douglas character for what an uptight white dweeb he was? There were no disaffected white males identifying with the character and cheering him on? I doubt that's correct.

Regardless how us crackers react to self-deprecating humor/stereotyping, does that make it right?

Or does it mean we just don't take ourselves way-beyond too serious? I personally thought the film Douglas did where he just flips out during rush hour and pulls an Uzi out of his trunk was hillarious. Perhaps I was living vicariously? :2guns:

I personally have no problem with racial/gender jokes. People that do need to pull the proverbial stick out of their asses.

 

[Abbey Normal]

Hate to break the news to you but they'll make a movie glorifying kiddie porn, mercenaries, feminism, drugs, basketball or whatever. The ONLY thing they care about is making money. And they make money by creating things that appeal to the masses or at least large segments of the population.

I would never argue that Hollywood is not primarily about making money. But for Hollywood, making money while simultaneously pushing the liberal agenda is orgasmic. And usually garners Oscars to boot. It's a win-win.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Hate to break the news to you but they'll make a movie glorifying kiddie porn, mercenaries, feminism, drugs, basketball or whatever. The ONLY thing they care about is making money. And they make money by creating things that appeal to the masses or at least large segments of the population.

You would be in favor of "Whitesploitation" films? I bet --d=- could do some good "Whitesploitation" movie posters.

 

[Nuc]

You would be in favor of "Whitesploitation" films? I bet --d=- could do some good "Whitesploitation" movie posters.

It's one of the reasons I mainly watch foreign films. I think Hollywood is way too commercial and the characters are mainly unbelievable. Hollywood made good films at one time and still do occasionally but the art is lost for the most part.

 

[Said1]

Revelation time ...... 25-30 years ago I was considered a liberal. Although my political points of view have not changed much, somebody (Jimmy Carter) slid the rug out form under me, and many other of what are now labelled moderate conservatives. I feel no special affiliation with the right-wing extremists, but I despise the left extremists because they wish to destroy those morals/values that have made this Nation the best one going today.

That's fine, I have no problem with that, and am certain your dislike would not lead to suicidal thoughts if you woke up one day to realize they were right.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

It's one of the reasons I mainly watch foreign films. I think Hollywood is way too commercial and the characters are mainly unbelievable. Hollywood made good films at one time and still do occasionally but the art is lost for the most part.

He watches foreign films to get MORE whitesploitation.

"I'm addicted to Whitesploitation films", next on Springer.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

That's fine, I have no problem with that, and am certain your dislike would not lead to suicidal thoughts if you woke up one day to realize they were right.

that's right. I think this is happening, reversed of course!:happy2: Some can't take it. "You mean tax cuts DO grow the economy? It's not a "freeper lie"? Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh."

 

[Gunny]

That's fine, I have no problem with that, and am certain your dislike would not lead to suicidal thoughts if you woke up one day to realize they were right.

LMAO. That's one thing I'm not too worried about happening. And no, my idea of "suicide" is killing what's causing the problem, not me.

 

[Gunny]

It's one of the reasons I mainly watch foreign films. I think Hollywood is way too commercial and the characters are mainly unbelievable. Hollywood made good films at one time and still do occasionally but the art is lost for the most part.

Nothing like watching Key Largo or a good Abbott and Costello flick.

Are you saying however that you don't like Steven Seagal movies?