Democrats will lose at least 21 seats in Senate

[JakeStarkey]

The legislators knew the legislation when they voted.

 

[Redfish]

The legislators knew the legislation when they voted.

maybe thats why no republicans voted for it (except for one rep from La who was soundly defeated in the next campaign).

but you are wrong. No one had time to read the over 2000 pages before the vote, they all admitted it after it was passed.

 

[Redfish]

Jroc and Redfish cannot define "Marxist" or "collectivist" or "socialist" then clearly and exactly give examples of how BHO meets these definitions in his admin's policies.

Neo-cons make outrageous lies then get mad when they are told they are lying.

We are not going back to that world that ended in the Great Recession and losing 750 thousand jobs monthly.

Marx "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs"

Obama "I want to redistribute the wealth" "you didn't build that"

I think Obama's marxist beliefs are quite obvious.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Redfish knows not of what he talks.

The ACA is law and will remain as so. The people could have voted out BHO and the Dem majority in the Senate but instead re-elected the president and increased the Senate Dem majority and reduced the GOP House majority. Now Ryan is talking of working within ACA.

Times change.

 

[Seawytch]

Separately, Pelosi spokesman Brendan Daly offered this interpretation of Pelosi's comment: "She meant there was so much talk about process (in Congress) that people have lost sight of what’s actually in the bill. Once it’s passed, we can remind them of all the good things that are in it."

Capital fusses aside, we wondered if Pelosi spoke accurately; will the plan need to pass before people know what's in it?

We called the non-partisan Kaiser Family Foundation, which has posted side-by-side comparisons online of health care plans approved by the House and Senate. Its spokesman, Craig Palosky, reminded us that Congress posts the entire legislation online.

Of course, that's not to say the final deal is settled — or, it stands to reason, open to public view.

Palosky declined to comment precisely on Pelosi's forecast, saying her comment seemed more about politics than policy. "It’s not our role to police such comments," he said. "If you want to know what members of Congress are doing, you have to speak to members of Congress.”

His nudge led us to call U.S. Rep. Michael Burgess, R-Lewisville, among a handful of physicians in Congress and an opponent to the Democrats' proposal.

Burgess told us it's often true that the ins and outs of legislation aren't widely known until after a measure passes into law; that held true, for instance, for the Republican-steered measure providing government aid toward prescription drugs for seniors.

Pelosi's "right," Burgess said, though "I don’t think that’s a good strategy (to declare as much). I wouldn’t recommend anyone actually broadcasting that." (So there's Nancy's big "no no"...you're not supposed to SAY it out loud)

So how does the GOP's statement shake out?

The party's e-mail errs when it makes it sound as if Pelosi thinks the health-care measure is terrible. It's very much the opposite.

But it accurately quotes Pelosi as saying people will find out what's in the plan after it passes.​

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Texas GOP says Speaker Nancy Pelosi said people will know contents of terrible health-care plan after it passes

People, not the legislators.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Jroc and Redfish cannot define "Marxist" or "collectivist" or "socialist" then clearly and exactly give examples of how BHO meets these definitions in his admin's policies.

Neo-cons make outrageous lies then get mad when they are told they are lying.

We are not going back to that world that ended in the Great Recession and losing 750 thousand jobs monthly.

Marx "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs"

Obama "I want to redistribute the wealth" "you didn't build that"

I think Obama's marxist beliefs are quite obvious.

I said "then clearly and exactly give examples of how BHO meets these definitions in his admin's policies."

You can't.

 

[Article 15]

Democrats are losing at least 4 possibly 5 seats in the Senate as democrats are retiring with more to come as Obama and the democrats keep screwing things up. There are another 16 denocrats that will be coming up for reelection in 2014. With Obama failing at everything the GOP will win these Senate seats easily and become a big majority and this will happen in the House to. Republicans will put an end to Obama's catering to unions during his last 2 years in office and repeal Obamacare and cut all entitlements to the welfare leeches that are breaking this country. He won't have the power to veto anything and will be totaly out of the loop.


Democrats face challenging Senate landscape - Yahoo! News

Someone reeks of effort.

 

[expatriate]

Jroc and Redfish cannot define "Marxist" or "collectivist" or "socialist" then clearly and exactly give examples of how BHO meets these definitions in his admin's policies.

Neo-cons make outrageous lies then get mad when they are told they are lying.

We are not going back to that world that ended in the Great Recession and losing 750 thousand jobs monthly.

Marx "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs"

Obama "I want to redistribute the wealth" "you didn't build that"

I think Obama's marxist beliefs are quite obvious.

You listen to too much talk radio and read too little Marx. Every president since Woodrow Wilson has administered a progressive taxation system which has redistributed wealth to varying degrees. Do you think they were ALL Marxists? How about Ike who administered the highest marginal tax rate in our nation's history? Was Ike a Marxist?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Redfish knows not what is Marxism. Or Socialism. Or collectivism. He is a binary thinker.

 

[Dugdale_Jukes]

Waiting for Faux Noose to explain anything in terms the rational mind can embrace isn't for folks with places to go and people to see. Faux Noose is targeted more toward fatassed armchair general types among the modestly successful, and pure unadulterated haters among the set blaming liberals and Negroes for everything Mexicans and terrorists - and their own government - can't be blamed for.

Absent another crash (entirely possible despite the FED pumping liquidity into Wall Street like a river of cash) Democrats will pick up three or four senate seats and another dozen or two in the house.

Here is why: Ordinary working Americans whose earning power was undiminished by the crash of 2008 (somewhere north of 65% of voters) are now restored 80%+ of lost asset valuation. The overwhelming majority of them fear Republicans more than they fear Democrats.

Did I mention that Republicans are out of gas? Bullshit and delusional nonsense may have run their course in the trailer parks of America.

To paraphrase Edwin Edwards, if Obama doesn't get caught with a live boy or a dead girl, Democrats are looking good in 2014 in tossup districts and better than usual in weaker nutball districts.

For just once, could you have an intelligent discussion based on facts instead of your bullshit, manufactured, fantasy pipe-dreams?

Median household incomes have fallen 8.2% since President Obama took office and continue to drop despite the official end of the recession, a new study shows.

That equals over $5,000. That's right, the average American family has seen their wealth decrease $5,000 since the era of Obama, Pelosi, and Reid began and their plot to destroy the U.S. economy and replace it with communism was implemented.

Add to that the average American family (middle income) now has over $4,000 in additional Obama tax, and that is an astounding $9,000 swing in personal wealth. Over Obama's next 4 years, that means $36,000 in wealth being stripped from the American people thanks to idiot liberal policy. These are the facts - and they are indisputable.

Good luck trying to sell that during each election.

Household income down 8.2 percent since Obama took office, study shows | Fox News

Obama's War on Middle Class: Median Income Lowest Since 1995

Household Incomes Fall In August, Down 8.2% Under Obama - Investors.com

Fiscal Cliff Deal Failure Could Mean $4,000 Tax Hike For Middle-Class Families

So what? If facts mattered that bobbleheaded moron Reagan would have been a one term president and so would those lowlife asslicking fake cowboys from Tejas in 2004. Corporatist disciples of Reagan, Clinton, Junebug Bush, are more feared than corporate shill Obama, who at least pretends interest in the needs of ordinary Americans. The only thing to change about my post is noted just below, Obama needs to back off the gun thing. A rock solid majority of American voters aren't going to tolerate some fucking human potential asshole regulating the gun trade while we can breath. That isn't going to happen.

You nutballs gave us Obama when you re elected that Bush League cocksucker in 2004, and based on the recent election more than enough voting Americans are exactly what I wrote: more afraid of the filthy god damned scum of the earth than a fool from Chicago.

So, the question appears to be whose pipedreams halfwit America is buying. It ain't nutball pipedreams, there, dog.

One more thing: My personal opinion is that Obama is as worthless as the tits on a boar hog. His advantage is he isn't an anti-American scum like Bush and Cheney or Clinton and the ReagaNUTs who preceded him. It's a rock solid advantage, for what that is worth and while I am not a praying man, my hope is that if there is a God it is His Will that Obama put a fucking on the degenerate scum who voted for Junebug in 2004 that will make their grandchildren quiver in fear.

Next.

 

[konradv]

Highly unlikely...

With the mess Obama and the democrats are making the Republicans will be the only choice in the next elections. Why can't you liberals face the truth?

Brought to you by the same people who gave us President Romney!

 

[Greenbeard]

the final bill was not available until just before the vote in the middle of the night on Christmas eve. NO ONE read it before is was passed, NO ONE!

And what in "the final bill" was so different from the version marked up in Senate Finance on C-Span in September or released for floor debate in November that it required additional months of study?

No GOP amendments were allowed to the bill, no open discussion on the floor of either house was permitted.

Nonsense. The GOP simply wanted to make it a farce.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz5AmhI9g7o]Senate Republicans Block Own Amendments on Health Care Bill - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Dugdale_Jukes]

In 1980 bourgeois America was guilt-ridden over its turning away from Vietnam veterans, plus the nation was in a world of inflationary shit thanks to Nixon/Kissinger's blessing of oil price increases to prevent oil sheiks from going bankrupt and causing an international bank meltdown in 1973/74.

It was a bad combination that produced the first pure corporate shill president, the B-Actor, Bobblehead Reagan. Hilariously, the old new dealer was mentored by Otis Chandler who observed Reagan's appeal watching some western show hosted by Reagan. After Chandler was through with Reagan in California he handed him over to Wall Street - specifically George Schultz of Bechtel who introduced the bobbleheaded cocksucker to Weinberger and Don Regan. These are the people who founded the fabled FriedmaNUT "new economy" then endorsed by the now awake Stiglitz and Krugman.

The rest is history. Wall Streeters wrapped Reagan in the flag and the pharisee Falwell's crowd converted the shallow thinking buttboy into an anti-abortion type and for good measure converted Pap Bush, a twofer the children and grandchildren of the stupidest voters before 2004 will long regret whether or not the truth is ever published in complete form.

Clinton was a 100% ReagaNUT. One of the most hilarious chapters in US history is how a mama's boy from some backwater state sold his soul to corporate America for his turn at the trough (nearly $100kk in ten years without inventing anything, improving a process or creating a single private sector job was Clinton's payoff). The hilarious part is human potential enthusiasts will go to their graves not getting the REAL Clinton was more of a ReagaNUT than the bobbleheaded moron was himself. Clinton is a hero by accident; he lived the bubble years created by Reagan's converting the US from an industrial economy to a credit-fueled asset based economy.

Clinton opened the borders, signed NAFTA, and embraced China's forced and indentured labor policies. Clinton sold out blue collar America in ways not done before or since, and the best summary is a remark about blue collar America by Mrs Clinton at Camp David in 1994, "Fuck'em". Clinton went on to endorse and sign repeal of Glass Steagall and low margin/no margin speculation in essential commodities. Clinton was a "new economy" man who stayed bought.

Then came Junebug Bush, a crisis of faith never ending credit - and the inglorious CRASH of the "new economy". A literal halfwit whose family was resigned to prevailing upon friends to support him in makework jobs (wildcatting and baseball, all on other people's money) before Karl Rove spotted his meal ticket and gave Junebug a serious jackpot of other people's money to fuck away.

To cut to the chase, until Republicans get back to putting America first, American voters are going to vote for the lesser of two evils. Right now that is the Democratic Party. When the dog is fat and the neighbors are working, fatassed losers will vote their pipedreams. When the dog is viewed as a potential meal and the neighbors are stealing to subsidize welfare checks, even the stupidest nutball will stay home rather than vote against another check in the mail.

In 2014 barring Obama coming out openly as Islamic or gay, and barring another crash (a very real possibility), Democrats will pick up senate seats in three to four purple states and well over a dozen, probably two dozen house seats that haven't been gerrymandered into partisan hellhole districts.

That is what is going to happen. And why.

 

[bitterlyclingin]

George Soros has a lot of money, which can buy a lot of votes. Mr Soros already has financed a very succesful, for the Democrats, Secretary Of State Project where the voting authorities look the other way anytime nefarious ballot box activity occurs in the Democrats favor. Keep in mind that lady Cincinnati Poll worker who voted six times herself for Comrade Obama.
Any state that has an SEIU local operating in it is also subject to the same ballot chicanery that happened to Connecticut in 2010 where the Democratic Gubernatorial candidate was behind by 8,000 votes and lo and behold! 36 hours after the polls closed a bag of 10,000 uncounted exclusively Democratic ballots was discovered behind a boarded up storefront window on one of the main streets of the states major cities.