Democrats will go it alone on healthcare

[jreeves]

So far, minimum coverage will be established to exclude pre-existing conditions and mandatory coverage for pregnancy, among other normal medical likelihoods.
So I guess you won't be able to get high deductible limited to catastrophic type insurance. But you can't get kicked off if you get sick either. This extends to private insureds as well. Which is why the Republicans are fighting it. So you have the public offering and the insurance companies can compete. This is likely to bring the cost of all insurance down. With the public option there is no restriction on providers. You pick your own. Personally public hospitals and teaching hospitals give the best care from my experience. That doesn't mean you have to use them, but you have that option. Private insurance limits participation. Medicare has no restrictions. The VA does, but they are a closed system, their providers are government employees.

You would have a much wider pool of private insurers from which to choose because of the proposed insurance exchange. You could examine costs and benefits in a checklist format and any questions you might have, the exchange would be available to explain it to you. As it So you have the public offering and the insurance companies can compete.is now, comparison shopping for insurance requires a Philadelphia lawyer. The public option would be available to you as well. But all in the same language, all the companies and the providers have to adhere to the same terms, there isn't going to be any fancy footwork with contract or medical terms of art. This will streamline care, payment and record keeping. Instead of filling out endless forms, your Medical ID card will be swiped and you are ready to get treated and your history is there for whomever is seeing you. So if you are unconscious, your allergies and illnesses and medications are all listed. Or if you're just forgetful, or you have a concussion, or you went off your schizo drugs.......

So you have the public offering and the insurance companies can compete.Lmao...

Have you heard the term qualified health benefits and the restrictions in care that the House Bill contains?

So you have the public offering and the insurance companies can compete.

That's why the bill is over 1000 pages and this is how you would get your coverage...
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but I'm sure it will be a lot more simple...

Not to mention health care provider shortages and an erosion of medical technology that this bill will cause.

1000 pages is not that much. And I think it will be a lot more simple and encourage innovation on the technological aspects because of the database and comparative effectiveness rating system proposed. The potential uses for the database are incredible.

I don't think there will be a shortage of providers at all. Nothing has shown this to be the case.

Over a 1000 pages not that much... That's the reason a ton of Congress still haven't read the bill yet...

Databases don't uncover new treatments and drugs used to treat diseases are you serious? The free market system encourages innovation and new discoveries in medicine. Which is why in the past 20 years the US has more Nobel Prize winners than the entire world combined.

As far as provider shortages......
http://www.hlc.org/NI_062609.pdf
Healthcare that the government runs, like the proposed “public option,” forces hurting, dying
people into long waits for the care they need so desperately.
• Dr. Gratzer writes, “. . . Canadians wait for practically any procedure or diagnostic test or
specialist consultation in the public system.”
• At every stage, Canadian patients experience long waiting lists. Those waits combine to
lengthen patients’ pain and suffering.
• Waits delay diagnosis, treatment and healing. Waits can cause death from treatable, curable
ailments that most Americans today survive.
• Just half of Canadian emergency room patients get timely treatment. Some Canadian towns raffle doctor’s appointments in lotteries

 

[Sarah G]

Rahm Emanuel, the White House chief of staff, said the heated opposition was evidence that Republicans had made a political calculation to draw a line against any health care changes, the latest in a string of major administration proposals that Republicans have opposed.

“The Republican leadership,” Mr. Emanuel said, “has made a strategic decision that defeating President Obama’s health care proposal is more important for their political goals than solving the health insurance problems that Americans face every day.”

He's right and I hope the WH sticks to the decision to ignore rwn rhetoric and let them come around when they're ready to work.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Might as well. The Republicans are just roadblocks and liars.

Did you say the same thing when the Democrats were saying no to Bush just to say no? They voted against fixing Social Security cause Bush was for it. Before Bush was President the same democrats were claiming it needed to be fixed in the exact way that Bush tried, then because he was President they voted against it.

They also blocked all his Judge Nominations for the year they had the Senate in his first presidential stint.

Remind us how you called them the party of no and roadblocks.

 

[wvpeach]

I hope everybody has taken the time to write their congress people and senators to push for real health care reform including a public option.
I have and I send President Obama words of encouragement once in awhile to keep him on the straight and narrow. The economy is in a real mess and healthcare reform will go a long way towards making the low wage jobs left out there more tolerable.

I am hoping that quietly the President has learned a important lesson here. That Republican, so called conservative/ libertarians do not live in a reality based world. They ignore facts, truth and reality in alarming ways and there is no need to feed into their psychosis. No need to placate them or try to be bipartisan. Just get it done.

It's about jobs, jobs, jobs and reform in many things is needed to accomplish that.
So full speed ahead Mr. President .
Logically thinking American people are behind you and supporting your efforts.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Rahm Emanuel, the White House chief of staff, said the heated opposition was evidence that Republicans had made a political calculation to draw a line against any health care changes, the latest in a string of major administration proposals that Republicans have opposed.

“The Republican leadership,” Mr. Emanuel said, “has made a strategic decision that defeating President Obama’s health care proposal is more important for their political goals than solving the health insurance problems that Americans face every day.”

He's right and I hope the WH sticks to the decision to ignore rwn rhetoric and let them come around when they're ready to work.

Once again JUST for you. There are 435 members of the House. Presently 265 of them are Democrats. Only 170 are republicans. It only takes 218 votes to pass a bill. Now having done the math how in the hell are the republicans stopping anything?

In the Senate there are 100 members, presently 58 are Democrats with 2 more that are Independents that vote with the democrats. There are only 40 republicans. It takes 51 votes to pass a bill, 60 to block a filibuster. So how exactly are the Republicans stopping any bill from passing in the Senate?

 

[veritas]

Might as well. The Republicans are just roadblocks and liars.

Did you say the same thing when the Democrats were saying no to Bush just to say no? They voted against fixing Social Security cause Bush was for it. Before Bush was President the same democrats were claiming it needed to be fixed in the exact way that Bush tried, then because he was President they voted against it.

They also blocked all his Judge Nominations for the year they had the Senate in his first presidential stint.

Remind us how you called them the party of no and roadblocks.

Sorry, I was in shock that shrub was even elected. I'm still in shock. My attention was more on the war, 911 investigations and combating fundie weirdos. The SS thing was in the background for me. But thanks for asking!!!!

 

[DiveCon]

Rahm Emanuel, the White House chief of staff, said the heated opposition was evidence that Republicans had made a political calculation to draw a line against any health care changes, the latest in a string of major administration proposals that Republicans have opposed.

“The Republican leadership,” Mr. Emanuel said, “has made a strategic decision that defeating President Obama’s health care proposal is more important for their political goals than solving the health insurance problems that Americans face every day.”

He's right and I hope the WH sticks to the decision to ignore rwn rhetoric and let them come around when they're ready to work.

Once again JUST for you. There are 435 members of the House. Presently 265 of them are Democrats. Only 170 are republicans. It only takes 218 votes to pass a bill. Now having done the math how in the hell are the republicans stopping anything?

In the Senate there are 100 members, presently 58 are Democrats with 2 more that are Independents that vote with the democrats. There are only 40 republicans. It takes 51 votes to pass a bill, 60 to block a filibuster. So how exactly are the Republicans stopping any bill from passing in the Senate?

logic and facts are anathema to SarahG

 

[jreeves]

I hope everybody has taken the time to write their congress people and senators to push for real health care reform including a public option.
I have and I send President Obama words of encouragement once in awhile to keep him on the straight and narrow. The economy is in a real mess and healthcare reform will go a long way towards making the low wage jobs left out there more tolerable.

I am hoping that quietly the President has learned a important lesson here. That Republican, so called conservative/ libertarians do not live in a reality based world. They ignore facts, truth and reality in alarming ways and there is no need to feed into their psychosis. No need to placate them or try to be bipartisan. Just get it done.

It's about jobs, jobs, jobs and reform in many things is needed to accomplish that.
So full speed ahead Mr. President .
Logically thinking American people are behind you and supporting your efforts.

Yes near 10% unemployment shows that the President is succeeding on this front.
If you want all of your health care decisions turned over to the government support this bill. If you think they are common sense reforms that could be enacted short of a government take over support HR3400 which is this....

Text of H.R.3400 as Introduced in House: To provide for incentives to encourage health insurance coverage, and... OpenCongress

 

[veritas]

The president is not responsible for unemployment. The big insurance/investment companies are.......and the hedge funds. Get real. The grifters of Wall St.


Nowhere are healthcare decisions ceded to the government. This a lie/Republican Talking Fib.

 

[DiveCon]

The president is not responsible for unemployment. The big insurance/investment companies are.......and the hedge funds. Get real. The grifters of Wall St.


Nowhere are healthcare decisions ceded to the government. This a lie/Republican Talking Fib.

so, the democrats were lying when they claimed rising unemployment was Bush's fault?
you either agree with that or you are nothing but a partisan hack

 

[jreeves]

The president is not responsible for unemployment. The big insurance/investment companies are.......and the hedge funds. Get real. The grifters of Wall St.


Nowhere are healthcare decisions ceded to the government. This a lie/Republican Talking Fib.

Yet Obama promised this...


His stimulus bill has driven unemployment up...
Qualified benefits plans is foregoing health care decisions to the federal government. A czar will decide what coverage is acceptable, what plans and insurers are "qualified". Would you like a link to the house bill with actual readings?

 

[veritas]

I don't think it was Bush's fault per se, although his "lower taxes until the rich people aren't paying any" didn't produce the trickle down like he promised did it? Instead, paper got pushed around and no new jobs emerged. That's a failed experiment. Then he did it again. That's just not logical. Then he spent us into a hole.

 

[DiveCon]

I don't think it was Bush's fault per se, although his "lower taxes until the rich people aren't paying any" didn't produce the trickle down like he promised did it? Instead, paper got pushed around and no new jobs emerged. That's a failed experiment. Then he did it again. That's just not logical. Then he spent us into a hole.

only one problem with that
the rich are paying more of the taxes than they have ever paid before
what is it, the top 5% of taxpayers pay like 90% of the taxes?
i forget what it is if thats not correct, but its damn close

 

[jreeves]

I don't think it was Bush's fault per se, although his "lower taxes until the rich people aren't paying any" didn't produce the trickle down like he promised did it? Instead, paper got pushed around and no new jobs emerged. That's a failed experiment. Then he did it again. That's just not logical. Then he spent us into a hole.

Obama promised sub 8% unemployment if the stimulus bill was passed, its well over 9% now and will hit 10% before the end of the year. Why spend $787 billion if it doesn't accomplish what you intended?

 

[veritas]

The president is not responsible for unemployment. The big insurance/investment companies are.......and the hedge funds. Get real. The grifters of Wall St.


Nowhere are healthcare decisions ceded to the government. This a lie/Republican Talking Fib.

Yet Obama promised this...
View attachment 7960

His stimulus bill has driven unemployment up...
Qualified benefits plans is foregoing health care decisions to the federal government. A czar will decide what coverage is acceptable, what plans and insurers are "qualified". Would you like a link to the house bill with actual readings?

That's what minimum coverage is acceptable.......don't be coy.

And Obama's stimulus is starting to show results. He's not a freaking magician. I don't know why you call it Obama's stimulus. It didn't drive unemployment up. The money grubbers aren't lending like they should be. You're mad at the wrong people.

 

[jreeves]

I don't think it was Bush's fault per se, although his "lower taxes until the rich people aren't paying any" didn't produce the trickle down like he promised did it? Instead, paper got pushed around and no new jobs emerged. That's a failed experiment. Then he did it again. That's just not logical. Then he spent us into a hole.

only one problem with that
the rich are paying more of the taxes than they have ever paid before
what is it, the top 5% of taxpayers pay like 90% of the taxes?
i forget what it is if thats not correct, but its damn close

The top 50% of income earners pay 97% of the income taxes in this country....

 

[Emma]

So you have the public offering and the insurance companies can compete.Lmao...

Have you heard the term qualified health benefits and the restrictions in care that the House Bill contains?

So you have the public offering and the insurance companies can compete.

That's why the bill is over 1000 pages and this is how you would get your coverage...
View attachment 7959

but I'm sure it will be a lot more simple...

Not to mention health care provider shortages and an erosion of medical technology that this bill will cause.

1000 pages is not that much. And I think it will be a lot more simple and encourage innovation on the technological aspects because of the database and comparative effectiveness rating system proposed. The potential uses for the database are incredible.

I don't think there will be a shortage of providers at all. Nothing has shown this to be the case.

Over a 1000 pages not that much... That's the reason a ton of Congress still haven't read the bill yet...

Databases don't uncover new treatments and drugs used to treat diseases are you serious? The free market system encourages innovation and new discoveries in medicine. Which is why in the past 20 years the US has more Nobel Prize winners than the entire world combined.

As far as provider shortages......
http://www.hlc.org/NI_062609.pdf
Healthcare that the government runs, like the proposed “public option,” forces hurting, dying
people into long waits for the care they need so desperately.
• Dr. Gratzer writes, “. . . Canadians wait for practically any procedure or diagnostic test or
specialist consultation in the public system.”
• At every stage, Canadian patients experience long waiting lists. Those waits combine to
lengthen patients’ pain and suffering.
• Waits delay diagnosis, treatment and healing. Waits can cause death from treatable, curable
ailments that most Americans today survive.
• Just half of Canadian emergency room patients get timely treatment. Some Canadian towns raffle doctor’s appointments in lotteries

I don't want to hear any bullshit about waiting times anywhere else. (told ya, dive con LOL)

I diagnosed myself with diabetes back in march. Won't get into the crap it took for me to get into a doc (I had to dump the one I've been seeing since he opened his practice because he wouldn't see me until July). I was having visual changes and other symptoms, and no way in hell was I going to wait that long. So the new doc finds out my one and only kidney isn't quite up to par (it worked just fine up until the diabetes, apparently). HE consults a nephrologist group here in town. They called YESTERDAY with a set appointment (after failing twice to "work me in"). It's for freaking MID OCTOBER.

God, don't get me started.

 

[jreeves]

The president is not responsible for unemployment. The big insurance/investment companies are.......and the hedge funds. Get real. The grifters of Wall St.


Nowhere are healthcare decisions ceded to the government. This a lie/Republican Talking Fib.

Yet Obama promised this...
View attachment 7960

His stimulus bill has driven unemployment up...
Qualified benefits plans is foregoing health care decisions to the federal government. A czar will decide what coverage is acceptable, what plans and insurers are "qualified". Would you like a link to the house bill with actual readings?

That's what minimum coverage is acceptable.......don't be coy.

And Obama's stimulus is starting to show results. He's not a freaking magician. I don't know why you call it Obama's stimulus. It didn't drive unemployment up. The money grubbers aren't lending like they should be. You're mad at the wrong people.

Would you like the terminology I can quote the bill. It's not minimum coverage, it sets up a czar to control what is acceptable for a health benefits plan to be a qualified benefits plan.

Yes close to 10% unemployment is success, when he promised it wouldn't go above 8% if the stimulus was passed. Again why spend nearly a trillion dollars if doesn't succeed in its purpose?

 

[DiveCon]

1000 pages is not that much. And I think it will be a lot more simple and encourage innovation on the technological aspects because of the database and comparative effectiveness rating system proposed. The potential uses for the database are incredible.

I don't think there will be a shortage of providers at all. Nothing has shown this to be the case.

Over a 1000 pages not that much... That's the reason a ton of Congress still haven't read the bill yet...

Databases don't uncover new treatments and drugs used to treat diseases are you serious? The free market system encourages innovation and new discoveries in medicine. Which is why in the past 20 years the US has more Nobel Prize winners than the entire world combined.

As far as provider shortages......
http://www.hlc.org/NI_062609.pdf
Healthcare that the government runs, like the proposed “public option,” forces hurting, dying
people into long waits for the care they need so desperately.
• Dr. Gratzer writes, “. . . Canadians wait for practically any procedure or diagnostic test or
specialist consultation in the public system.”
• At every stage, Canadian patients experience long waiting lists. Those waits combine to
lengthen patients’ pain and suffering.
• Waits delay diagnosis, treatment and healing. Waits can cause death from treatable, curable
ailments that most Americans today survive.
• Just half of Canadian emergency room patients get timely treatment. Some Canadian towns raffle doctor’s appointments in lotteries

I don't want to hear any bullshit about waiting times anywhere else. (told ya, dive con LOL)

I diagnosed myself with diabetes back in march. Won't get into the crap it took for me to get into a doc (I had to dump the one I've been seeing since he opened his practice because he wouldn't see me until July). I was having visual changes and other symptoms, and no way in hell was I going to wait that long. So the new doc finds out my one and only kidney isn't quite up to par (it worked just fine up until the diabetes, apparently). HE consults a nephrologist group here in town. They called YESTERDAY with a set appointment (after failing twice to "work me in"). It's for freaking MID OCTOBER.

God, don't get me started.

you need to go to one a bit further away
dont wait till Oct for that

 

[Emma]

Over a 1000 pages not that much... That's the reason a ton of Congress still haven't read the bill yet...

Databases don't uncover new treatments and drugs used to treat diseases are you serious? The free market system encourages innovation and new discoveries in medicine. Which is why in the past 20 years the US has more Nobel Prize winners than the entire world combined.

As far as provider shortages......
http://www.hlc.org/NI_062609.pdf
Healthcare that the government runs, like the proposed “public option,” forces hurting, dying
people into long waits for the care they need so desperately.
• Dr. Gratzer writes, “. . . Canadians wait for practically any procedure or diagnostic test or
specialist consultation in the public system.”
• At every stage, Canadian patients experience long waiting lists. Those waits combine to
lengthen patients’ pain and suffering.
• Waits delay diagnosis, treatment and healing. Waits can cause death from treatable, curable
ailments that most Americans today survive.
• Just half of Canadian emergency room patients get timely treatment. Some Canadian towns raffle doctor’s appointments in lotteries

I don't want to hear any bullshit about waiting times anywhere else. (told ya, dive con LOL)

I diagnosed myself with diabetes back in march. Won't get into the crap it took for me to get into a doc (I had to dump the one I've been seeing since he opened his practice because he wouldn't see me until July). I was having visual changes and other symptoms, and no way in hell was I going to wait that long. So the new doc finds out my one and only kidney isn't quite up to par (it worked just fine up until the diabetes, apparently). HE consults a nephrologist group here in town. They called YESTERDAY with a set appointment (after failing twice to "work me in"). It's for freaking MID OCTOBER.

God, don't get me started.

you need to go to one a bit further away
dont wait till Oct for that

I answered you in PM.