Democrats -- The party of Voter Disenfranchisement.

[flacaltenn]

Clearly -- the anger of the Bernie delegates is justified. The party that used "Voter Disenfranchisement" as an accusation got caught being a major creator of "Voter Dissing".

What else would you call 700+ delegates who were never elected, each having 10,000 TIMES the power of an elected delegate? And WHY when these Supers went in front of the cameras and on the Sunday Talk circuit to chat up the wonderful qualities of their dangerous lunatic nominee -- did they not have to DISCLOSE that they were ACTUALLY a SuperDelegate by way of Party hierarchy or elected office? You don't think it was to PROTECT THEMSELVES from blowback at their next election? Nawwwwww...

What's with all the coin flips and card draws for delegates done ad hoc on the floor of the primaries?

Voter Disenfranchisement is a serious accusation. And I wouldn't make it without a CLEAR case.. They need to be pushed back. Especially after being caught in the act --- red handed.. Hell to pay.. It's not going away..

 

[Spare_change]

The obviously partisan machinations of the Democratic National Committee to swing the nomination in favor of Hillary clearly violates any precept of fair play and the democratic process, and negates the wishes of the Democratic voters.

Dems have been misled, and they should be furious.

Instead, we get lemmings .... and, apparently, to misquote somebody ... "... when given lemmings, get Hillary elected."

 

[yiostheoy]

Clearly -- the anger of the Bernie delegates is justified. The party that used "Voter Disenfranchisement" as an accusation got caught being a major creator of "Voter Dissing".

What else would you call 700+ delegates who were never elected, each having 30,000 TIMES the power of an elected delegate? And WHY when these Supers went in front of the cameras and on the Sunday Talk circuit to chat up the wonderful qualities of their dangerous lunatic nominee -- did they not have to DISCLOSE that they were ACTUALLY a SuperDelegate by way of Party hierarchy or elected office? You don't think it was to PROTECT THEMSELVES from blowback at their next election? Nawwwwww...

What's with all the coin flips and card draws for delegates done ad hoc on the floor of the primaries?

Voter Disenfranchisement is a serious accusation. And I wouldn't make it without a CLEAR case.. They need to be pushed back. Especially after being caught in the act --- red handed.. Hell to pay.. It's not going away..

They were elected when they were elected FLACATEN.

They were all elected.

That's how the Party works -- both parties as a matter of fact.

The DEMs used their super delegates to block Bernie.

Bernie is an old man and a communist and too crazy to be POTUS.

Same as the GOP used their super delegates to try to block Trump. Only they failed.

 

[flacaltenn]

Clearly -- the anger of the Bernie delegates is justified. The party that used "Voter Disenfranchisement" as an accusation got caught being a major creator of "Voter Dissing".

What else would you call 700+ delegates who were never elected, each having 30,000 TIMES the power of an elected delegate? And WHY when these Supers went in front of the cameras and on the Sunday Talk circuit to chat up the wonderful qualities of their dangerous lunatic nominee -- did they not have to DISCLOSE that they were ACTUALLY a SuperDelegate by way of Party hierarchy or elected office? You don't think it was to PROTECT THEMSELVES from blowback at their next election? Nawwwwww...

What's with all the coin flips and card draws for delegates done ad hoc on the floor of the primaries?

Voter Disenfranchisement is a serious accusation. And I wouldn't make it without a CLEAR case.. They need to be pushed back. Especially after being caught in the act --- red handed.. Hell to pay.. It's not going away..

They were elected when they were elected FLACATEN.

They were all elected.

That's how the Party works -- both parties as a matter of fact.

The DEMs used their super delegates to block Bernie.

Bernie is an old man and a communist and too crazy to be POTUS.

Same as the GOP used their super delegates to try to block Trump. Only they failed.

That's simply NOT true. There are about 400 of the 700 Supers APPOINTED because of DNC inside status. OTHERS are selected from politicians that are believed to support the PARTY choice.

My biggest gripe is -- when they get press coverage and SHILL for the party favorite -- they do not have to DISCLOSE the fact that they are SuperDelegate. To protect their asses.

Takes 30,000 voters to REALLY elect a normal delegate. But a superdelegate gets the SAME POWER as 10,000 REAL voters.

Reps don't HAVE SuperDelegates or coin flips. What else don't you know??

 

[flacaltenn]

The obviously partisan machinations of the Democratic National Committee to swing the nomination in favor of Hillary clearly violates any precept of fair play and the democratic process, and negates the wishes of the Democratic voters.

Dems have been misled, and they should be furious.

Instead, we get lemmings .... and, apparently, to misquote somebody ... "... when given lemmings, get Hillary elected."

Don't be afraid to call it what it -- Voter Disenfranchisement. I think the DNC trademarked that phrase..

 

[Spare_change]

Clearly -- the anger of the Bernie delegates is justified. The party that used "Voter Disenfranchisement" as an accusation got caught being a major creator of "Voter Dissing".

What else would you call 700+ delegates who were never elected, each having 30,000 TIMES the power of an elected delegate? And WHY when these Supers went in front of the cameras and on the Sunday Talk circuit to chat up the wonderful qualities of their dangerous lunatic nominee -- did they not have to DISCLOSE that they were ACTUALLY a SuperDelegate by way of Party hierarchy or elected office? You don't think it was to PROTECT THEMSELVES from blowback at their next election? Nawwwwww...

What's with all the coin flips and card draws for delegates done ad hoc on the floor of the primaries?

Voter Disenfranchisement is a serious accusation. And I wouldn't make it without a CLEAR case.. They need to be pushed back. Especially after being caught in the act --- red handed.. Hell to pay.. It's not going away..

They were elected when they were elected FLACATEN.

They were all elected.

That's how the Party works -- both parties as a matter of fact.

The DEMs used their super delegates to block Bernie.

Bernie is an old man and a communist and too crazy to be POTUS.

Same as the GOP used their super delegates to try to block Trump. Only they failed.

Absolutely false.

 

[depotoo]

It's a repeat of 2008.

Clearly -- the anger of the Bernie delegates is justified. The party that used "Voter Disenfranchisement" as an accusation got caught being a major creator of "Voter Dissing".

What else would you call 700+ delegates who were never elected, each having 30,000 TIMES the power of an elected delegate? And WHY when these Supers went in front of the cameras and on the Sunday Talk circuit to chat up the wonderful qualities of their dangerous lunatic nominee -- did they not have to DISCLOSE that they were ACTUALLY a SuperDelegate by way of Party hierarchy or elected office? You don't think it was to PROTECT THEMSELVES from blowback at their next election? Nawwwwww...

What's with all the coin flips and card draws for delegates done ad hoc on the floor of the primaries?

Voter Disenfranchisement is a serious accusation. And I wouldn't make it without a CLEAR case.. They need to be pushed back. Especially after being caught in the act --- red handed.. Hell to pay.. It's not going away..

 

[TheOldSchool]

Fact is Hillary won the majority vote by millions, won the delegates, and the super-delegates, as they have since the beginning of the party, went with the majority.

 

[flacaltenn]

It's a repeat of 2008.

Clearly -- the anger of the Bernie delegates is justified. The party that used "Voter Disenfranchisement" as an accusation got caught being a major creator of "Voter Dissing".

What else would you call 700+ delegates who were never elected, each having 30,000 TIMES the power of an elected delegate? And WHY when these Supers went in front of the cameras and on the Sunday Talk circuit to chat up the wonderful qualities of their dangerous lunatic nominee -- did they not have to DISCLOSE that they were ACTUALLY a SuperDelegate by way of Party hierarchy or elected office? You don't think it was to PROTECT THEMSELVES from blowback at their next election? Nawwwwww...

What's with all the coin flips and card draws for delegates done ad hoc on the floor of the primaries?

Voter Disenfranchisement is a serious accusation. And I wouldn't make it without a CLEAR case.. They need to be pushed back. Especially after being caught in the act --- red handed.. Hell to pay.. It's not going away..

Except that Obama went to work on the Supers and convinced them to flip. Hillary got bumped out when the deck started to stack against HER. A life-long LOYAL DNC member who would do anything to please the DNC.

Bernie being only an "adopted Dem" didn't have that pull. They USED him to give the appearance of a race.

 

[flacaltenn]

Fact is Hillary won the majority vote by millions, won the delegates, and the super-delegates, as they have since the beginning of the party, went with the majority.

Largely BECAUSE she had 700 delegates before the voting started. Everyone KNEW that. Including the media, the donors, and all the OTHER Dem candidates that were TOO smart to even DECLARE --- knowing the hurdles and the fact it has BEEN a coronation -- not an election. You can't COMPETE when you START down by that margin. CLEARLY --- Voter Disenfranchisement.

 

[Nosmo King]

Ask any Republican about gerrymandering. You'll get either blank stares or a wry s,lie. Ask any Republican about motor-voter. Again, stares or smiles. Ask any Republican about the recent Supreme Court ruling that stripped the Voter's Rights Act of 1964. Ask them about voter ID laws. Ask them about their opposition to same day voter registration and Election Day.

Then tell us more aboutDemocrats--The party of Voter Disenfranchisment.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Fact is Hillary won the majority vote by millions, won the delegates, and the super-delegates, as they have since the beginning of the party, went with the majority.

Largely BECAUSE she had 700 delegates before the voting started. Everyone KNEW that. Including the media, the donors, and all the OTHER Dem candidates that were TOO smart to even DECLARE --- knowing the hurdles and the fact it has BEEN a coronation -- not an election. You can't COMPETE when you START down by that margin. CLEARLY --- Voter Disenfranchisement.

Wild speculation. Any truth to your belief that Hillary started with 700 delegates is because at the start Bernie was polling at nothing. If he'd won the majority vote and delegates, then you'd have an argument. But you don't.

 

[flacaltenn]

Ask any Republican about gerrymandering. You'll get either blank stares or a wry s,lie. Ask any Republican about motor-voter. Again, stares or smiles. Ask any Republican about the recent Supreme Court ruling that stripped the Voter's Rights Act of 1964. Ask them about voter ID laws. Ask them about their opposition to same day voter registration and Election Day.

Then tell us more aboutDemocrats--The party of Voter Disenfranchisment.

Oh here we go. Off on all those "other" voter disenfranchisements.. Gerrymandering is a BI PARTISAN past time. THey can point fingers back and forth OR

------------- BOTH parties agree to LOSE some representatives by carving up the territory. Aint no REAL voter disenfranchisement there UNTIL --- the losing party REFUSES to even run a CANDIDATE in a losing district. Which happens for about 12 or 14% of ALL congress seats every cycle. THEN -- it's V.D.

Sorry about "Same day" and all that. Govt can't respond to demand not knowing how many will be too lazy to register untill the day of the vote. Or the fact that GOvt is just too incompetent to have Facial ID or fingerprint ID as part of the registration. Those are poor mgt issues. NOT V.D.

 

[flacaltenn]

Fact is Hillary won the majority vote by millions, won the delegates, and the super-delegates, as they have since the beginning of the party, went with the majority.

Largely BECAUSE she had 700 delegates before the voting started. Everyone KNEW that. Including the media, the donors, and all the OTHER Dem candidates that were TOO smart to even DECLARE --- knowing the hurdles and the fact it has BEEN a coronation -- not an election. You can't COMPETE when you START down by that margin. CLEARLY --- Voter Disenfranchisement.

Wild speculation. Any truth to your belief that Hillary started with 700 delegates is because at the start Bernie was polling at nothing. If he'd won the majority vote and delegates, then you'd have an argument. But you don't.

How do you OVERCOME a 15 pt deficit with REAL votes? Especially if that deficit is COMMON KNOWLEDGE from the day you declare?

 

[Vigilante]

 

[TheOldSchool]

Fact is Hillary won the majority vote by millions, won the delegates, and the super-delegates, as they have since the beginning of the party, went with the majority.

Largely BECAUSE she had 700 delegates before the voting started. Everyone KNEW that. Including the media, the donors, and all the OTHER Dem candidates that were TOO smart to even DECLARE --- knowing the hurdles and the fact it has BEEN a coronation -- not an election. You can't COMPETE when you START down by that margin. CLEARLY --- Voter Disenfranchisement.

Wild speculation. Any truth to your belief that Hillary started with 700 delegates is because at the start Bernie was polling at nothing. If he'd won the majority vote and delegates, then you'd have an argument. But you don't.

How do you OVERCOME a 15 pt deficit with REAL votes? Especially if that deficit is COMMON KNOWLEDGE from the day you declare?

Again with wild speculation. You speak intangibles and the abstract. Fact is superdelegates did exactly what they've done since they were first created.

 

[Care4all]

Regardless, primaries are not ...democratic or the government of the people, by the people elections, they are the elections for private groups... these private parties are not affiliated with our government and can determined how their contests are run and nominees are picked...they don't even have to have primaries at all...

This was a rude awakening for me...I've always known the rules, but until this year's Contentious Republican and Democratic primaries did it truly soak in.

 

[flacaltenn]

Fact is Hillary won the majority vote by millions, won the delegates, and the super-delegates, as they have since the beginning of the party, went with the majority.

Largely BECAUSE she had 700 delegates before the voting started. Everyone KNEW that. Including the media, the donors, and all the OTHER Dem candidates that were TOO smart to even DECLARE --- knowing the hurdles and the fact it has BEEN a coronation -- not an election. You can't COMPETE when you START down by that margin. CLEARLY --- Voter Disenfranchisement.

Wild speculation. Any truth to your belief that Hillary started with 700 delegates is because at the start Bernie was polling at nothing. If he'd won the majority vote and delegates, then you'd have an argument. But you don't.

How do you OVERCOME a 15 pt deficit with REAL votes? Especially if that deficit is COMMON KNOWLEDGE from the day you declare?

Again with wild speculation. You speak intangibles and the abstract. Fact is superdelegates did exactly what they've done since they were first created.

Hell no. I'm speaking numbers and facts. Bernie won N.H. close to 60/40. EACH came out with 15 delegates by Dem math. It's a 15 to 20 pt DEFICIT that has to be overcome if you are not "annointed".

And WhyTF do financial guys have to disclose their holdings in stocks that they hype or face jail. When Superdelegates can annonymously pose for the cameras, endorse the party choice and NOT disclose THEIR "conflict of interest" ??? THAT'S V.D. Because the voters aren't AWARE of who they should PUNISH at the next election cycle for SCHILLING elected power against the voter's PREFERRED choice.

 

[flacaltenn]

Regardless, primaries are not ...democratic or the government of the people, by the people elections, they are the elections for private groups... these private parties are not affiliated with our government and can determined how their contests are run and nominees are picked...they don't even have to have primaries at all...

This was a rude awakening for me...I've always known the rules, but until this year's Contentious Republican and Democratic primaries did it truly soak in.

Or --- they can simply PRETEND to have democratic elections. Would be BETTER if Sgt Schultz just appointed a committee. Because you are not gonna get Cory Booker-s or other GREAT candidates to go into battle with those rules. I've got a short list of Dems BESIDES Booker that SHOULD have declared -- if it wasn't just a show..

 

[depotoo]

Some people I knew that was there in 2008 said promises of support in $'s etc were used to get them to flip even though their constituents voted the other way.

It's a repeat of 2008.

Clearly -- the anger of the Bernie delegates is justified. The party that used "Voter Disenfranchisement" as an accusation got caught being a major creator of "Voter Dissing".

What else would you call 700+ delegates who were never elected, each having 30,000 TIMES the power of an elected delegate? And WHY when these Supers went in front of the cameras and on the Sunday Talk circuit to chat up the wonderful qualities of their dangerous lunatic nominee -- did they not have to DISCLOSE that they were ACTUALLY a SuperDelegate by way of Party hierarchy or elected office? You don't think it was to PROTECT THEMSELVES from blowback at their next election? Nawwwwww...

What's with all the coin flips and card draws for delegates done ad hoc on the floor of the primaries?

Voter Disenfranchisement is a serious accusation. And I wouldn't make it without a CLEAR case.. They need to be pushed back. Especially after being caught in the act --- red handed.. Hell to pay.. It's not going away..

Except that Obama went to work on the Supers and convinced them to flip. Hillary got bumped out when the deck started to stack against HER. A life-long LOYAL DNC member who would do anything to please the DNC.

Bernie being only an "adopted Dem" didn't have that pull. They USED him to give the appearance of a race.