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Why shouldn't a person who committed a felony be allowed to vote after they paid their debt to society? White collar crimes, selling drugs, burglary, manslaughter, statutory rape, fraud, tax evasion, etc.
Funny... did not see anything in here stating, or anyone in here stating, that it should be for only felons of only a particular race
but nice try
You are using someone's opinion, no? I googled it.
I don't think the constitution gives out any rights, rather it specifies which rights cannot be denied the American people. But just because a right isn't named does not mean the right does not exist.
Equal protection would cover this, I think. If the population is allowed to vote, instead of say the representatives of the population, then voting becomes a civil right.
Aren't prisons 75% black even though blacks only make up 15% of the population? This is just a law white men use to deny minorities the right to vote.
Since poverty is the number one reason men commit crimes and because rich men can afford good lawyers to reduce their felonies to mindemeanors, this to me is just another way of denying thousands of black men their right to vote. Yes, we have the right. I'm not black, but we all have a RIGHT to vote.
Murders and rapists? I won't defend them. But other criminals like arson or robbery or burlary or manslaughter? Why can't they get back their right to vote?
Answer me. Why shouldn't they get back the right to vote after they paid their debt to society?
Fine, no guns for ex felons. No biggy. But deny them the right to vote for a lifetime? Why?
Aren't prisons 75% black even though blacks only make up 15% of the population? This is just a law white men use to deny minorities the right to vote.
sloppy thinking....
Since poverty is the number one reason men commit crimes and because rich men can afford good lawyers to reduce their felonies to mindemeanors, this to me is just another way of denying thousands of black men their right to vote. Yes, we have the right. I'm not black, but we all have a RIGHT to vote.
once again, show me where in the Constitution does the right exist....
Murders and rapists? I won't defend them. But other criminals like arson or robbery or burlary or manslaughter? Why can't they get back their right to vote?
Manslaughter is just accidental murder....
Answer me. Why shouldn't they get back the right to vote after they paid their debt to society?
because they chose to take themselves out of society's norms when they committed their crimes....
Fine, no guns for ex felons. No biggy. But deny them the right to vote for a lifetime? Why?
If you read the Bill of Rights you will see that we are not being given rights, rather we are saying these are rights that cannot be taken away.it is from another source, but due to board rules, I can not post the link until I hit 15 posts....once I get the required 15, I'll post the link.....
the Constitution does spell out rights.....they are the 1st 10 Amendments or Bill or Rights....
there is a tradition in this country to have people elect their leaders, but by no means is this a right....the framers understood this principle & is a big reason why they set up the government the way they did....
No... but nice try
It is a stance to prevent felons... it would not be any different no matter what percentage of what race committed what percentage of whatever types of crimes
I have already stated my stance as why I would support felons never again having the right to vote.. just as I have stated why I accept it as law that they can in the state where I live... and again, it is a damned if you do and damned if you don't argument... one that I understand and can take that prior felons are allowed to vote, but I would not disagree with that right being taken away
And no... we do not all have the right to vote.. depending on the state law, voting rights can and will be taken away for certain reasons... I don't see registering a mentally incompetent person and allowing them to vote... I do not see allowing incarcerated people to vote... I do not see allowing persons under the age of 18 to vote... I do not see allowing illegals and non-citizens to vote.. etc
If you read the Bill of Rights you will see that we are not being given rights, rather we are saying these are rights that cannot be taken away.
Congress shall make no law
shall not be infringed
shall not be violated
None of that was ever meant to cover all of our rights, only to prevent the "government" from taking away what the signers agreed were the most important rights.
I guess I'm not going to rob that party store tonight because if i get caught, I won't be able to vote ever again. LOL.
No I don't see letting people currently incarcerated or letting illegals vote either.
But after someone has gone through probation and paid their debt, there is no reason they should not be allowed to vote.
You don't believe this has to do with race, but that doesn't make you right. But nice try.
And of course you are cool with rights being taken away. We all know that about you.
I guess I'm not going to rob that party store tonight because if i get caught, I won't be able to vote ever again. LOL.
No I don't see letting people currently incarcerated or letting illegals vote either.
But after someone has gone through probation and paid their debt, there is no reason they should not be allowed to vote.
You don't believe this has to do with race, but that doesn't make you right. But nice try.
And of course you are cool with rights being taken away. We all know that about you.
That's silly. So we have no right to live in houses, walk down the street, whistle, eat ice cream, etc, because it isn't listed in the constitution?precisely....however, because the "right to vote" was not included, means that it wasn't considered a right in the first place....we are not a direct democracy, but a representative republic.....if you put in a "right to vote" amendment to the constitution, by definition you have changed the way our country & goverment is set up.....that means you must abolish the electoral college & have direct elections for all public offices.....
No... but nice try
It is a stance to prevent felons... it would not be any different no matter what percentage of what race committed what percentage of whatever types of crimes
I have already stated my stance as why I would support felons never again having the right to vote.. just as I have stated why I accept it as law that they can in the state where I live... and again, it is a damned if you do and damned if you don't argument... one that I understand and can take that prior felons are allowed to vote, but I would not disagree with that right being taken away
And no... we do not all have the right to vote.. depending on the state law, voting rights can and will be taken away for certain reasons... I don't see registering a mentally incompetent person and allowing them to vote... I do not see allowing incarcerated people to vote... I do not see allowing persons under the age of 18 to vote... I do not see allowing illegals and non-citizens to vote.. etc
I'm kinda curious about the crazy vote. I bet they'd be republicans.
Yes there are reasons where someone is not competent to vote. Crime isn't competence though. We don't deny youngsters or mentally ill people the right to vote to punish them. We do it because they would not be able to exercise it responsibly.
Criminals are competent however. Just like mentally ill people and youngsters cannot represent themselves in court and criminals can. Our system of justice isn't about punishing based on our morals. It's about protecting people.
Theres no protection against banning criminals to vote; unless like I said, you're making the argument they'll vote for criminals. That seems silly to me, so I see no reason for it.
That's silly. So we have no right to live in houses, walk down the street, whistle, eat ice cream, etc, because it isn't listed in the constitution?
We have the right to do anything, until a compelling reason removes that right.
That's silly. So we have no right to live in houses, walk down the street, whistle, eat ice cream, etc, because it isn't listed in the constitution?
We have the right to do anything, until a compelling reason removes that right.
simple, it isn't a right in the first place....If its a RIGHT, how can it be taken away?
