Democrats Smarter Than Republicans

[Quantum Windbag]

Sometimes negotiation isn't an option.

Alot of that depends on the reasonableness of the people you are dealing with.

You should take a look at what Markell got...

'Reasonable' wasn't the theme of the Repubs in Wisconsin, either.

What did he get?

$25 million a year in concessions may, or may not, solve the problems in Delaware, but they would have been all but useless in Wisconsin with a deficit in the billions that needed to be addressed now. Comparing the actions of a governor in a state with a marginal deficit to one in a state with real problems is a bit like comparing the guy that did not get a pay raise with the guy who lost his job. What works for one will not work for the other.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Sometimes negotiation isn't an option.

Alot of that depends on the reasonableness of the people you are dealing with.

You should take a look at what Markell got...

'Reasonable' wasn't the theme of the Repubs in Wisconsin, either.

What did he get?

$25 million a year in concessions may, or may not, solve the problems in Delaware, but they would have been all but useless in Wisconsin with a deficit in the billions that needed to be addressed now. Comparing the actions of a governor in a state with a marginal deficit to one in a state with real problems is a bit like comparing the guy that did not get a pay raise with the guy who lost his job. What works for one will not work for the other.

"The savings these changes represent amount to $128.06 million over the next five years. And these savings will continue to increase incrementally into the future.

New state employees only:
Move from 3% to 5% for employee contribution towards pension
Vesting to qualify for pension after 10 years, up from five
Increase the penalty for retiring early from .2% to .4% (the penalty that existed in the early 2000’s)
Change the normal retirement age to age 65 with 10 years of service; age 60 with 20 years of service; 30 years of service at any age (Current is age 62 once vested; 60 years with 15 years of service; and 30 years of service at any age)
Eliminate “double-state share” where the state provides full health care benefits for spouses when both are state employees. For new employees, one spouse will be primary.
Lengthen the time to qualify for state share of health care in retirement from:
50% state paid at 10 years of service; 75% at 15 years; and 100% at 20 years to –
50% at 15 years of service ; 75% at 17.5 years; and 100% at 20 years (same as now).

Pension health care changes for current state employees and future state employees:
Future retirees will pay 5% of the Medicare Medigap coverage provided by the state, or approximately $21/month. At present, the state pays 100% of this coverage, resulting in a more robust benefit for Medicare retirees: pre-Medicare retirees pay the employee share of health care costs as well as co-pays and deductibles. Once retired, Medicare recipients pay nothing for the state health care supplement, nor do they pay for co-pays and deductibles.

Health care cost increases for current and future state employees:
While the group is still fine tuning the specifics, the consensus proposal regarding establishing a cost share for employee health would likely increase the employee cost share on the basic plan from 0% to 5% of the premium. With respect to the PPO plan – the state’s most generous plan – this proposal would increase the employee cost share from approximately 12.7% of the premium to around 13.5%.

First State Basic Plan – Currently only 560 state employees (less than 1%) are enrolled in this plan.
This plan will no longer be free but will cost $25.73/month, or 5% of its cost.
Aetna HMO – Plan cost will increase between $1.43/month for single employee to $5.19/month for Family.
BlueCARE HMO – Plan will increase between $1.46/month for single employee to $5.47/month for Family plan.
Comprehensive PPO Plan – Fifty-three percent of state employees are enrolled in this plan.
This plan’s cost will increase $4.59/month for single employee; $9.73/month for employee and spouse; $7.76/month for employee and children; and $12.17/month for Family."

One Fight More


Need more in Wisconsin?
How about you take it out of the hide- or pensions- or personal assets- of the pols who signed off on the increases that put Wisconsin in the hole.

 

[kiwiman127]

All I will say is that intelligent people aren't the type of people who goose-step to the whims of an ideology every single time.
Therefore, anyone who is a sheeple of any ideology just aren't too bright or are too lazy intellectually.
Are Democrat sheep smarter than Republican sheep or are Republican sheep smarter than Democrat sheep? There is one answer,,,,,,NO!