Democrats Retreat on Civil Liberties in 2012 Platform

[xsited1]

This is an interesting read.

Democrats Retreat on Civil Liberties in 2012 Platform | Mother Jones

In 2008, Democrats were eager to draw a contrast with what they then portrayed as Republican excesses in the fight against Al Qaeda. Since then, the Obama administration has in many cases continued the national security policies of its predecessor—and the Democratic Party's 2012 platform highlights this reversal, abandoning much of the substance and all of the bombast of the 2008 platform. Here are a few places where the differences are most glaring:

Indefinite Detention
Warrantless Surveillance/PATRIOT Act
Gitmo
Racial Profiling in Fighting Terrorism
Torture

Everybody saw this coming, right?

 

[xsited1]

Here's another story:

Obama’s dismal civil liberties record - Salon.com

This coupled with our declining economic liberty and Obama is becoming another Fidel Castro.

 

[Oddball]

They haven't given a shit about civil liberties.....EVAH.

They're as big of fakes on civil liberties as the GOP is on fiscal restraint.

 

[xsited1]

They haven't given a shit about civil liberties.....EVAH.

They're as big of fakes on civil liberties as the GOP is on fiscal restraint.

I was on a leftist board just before Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act. I said he would sign it and the leftists said he promised he wouldn't. After he signed it, there was not a peep out of the leftists.

 

[xsited1]

Although I don't care for the right-wing slant of this site, this story is an eye-opener and the Obama supporters either don't know about it or willingly cover it up:

Obama Co-Sponsored UN's Free Speech Restrictions--With Egypt--in 2009

 

[Yurt]

no obama supporter will post in this thread

 

[Dissent]

Nope...1 big party and we ain't invited to it folks...there isn't any republican vs democrat its the state vs the people.

 

[xsited1]

no obama supporter will post in this thread

Of course not. Obama's record is indefensible. My take is that the diehard Obamabots don't care about facts and the others who cast their vote for Obama in November will do so because they believe he is the lesser of two evils.

 

[Yurt]

no obama supporter will post in this thread

Of course not. Obama's record is indefensible. My take is that the diehard Obamabots don't care about facts and the others who cast their vote for Obama in November will do so because they believe he is the lesser of two evils.

true

 

[xsited1]

 

[Vel]

Interesting that when the previous administration poured water in a few guys faces eliciting information that led to Bin Laden, democrats squalled as if scalded and told every one that Bush was the devil. Obama, rather than add to the population at Gitmo, just sends drones to kill everyone including U.S. citizens without writ or warrant and democrats say nothing.
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Gitmo
2008: "We will close the detention camp in Guantanamo Bay, the location of so many of the worst constitutional abuses in recent years. With these necessary changes, the attention of the world will be directed where it belongs: on what terrorists have done to us, not on how we treat suspects."

2012: "[W]e are substantially reducing the population at Guantánamo Bay without adding to it. And we remain committed to working with all branches of government to close the prison altogether because it is inconsistent with our national security interests and our values." In 2009, most Democrats voted against funding to close Gitmo, and there were substantial internal battles within the administration over doing so.

Democrats Retreat on Civil Liberties in 2012 Platform | Mother Jones

 

[buckeye45_73]

They haven't given a shit about civil liberties.....EVAH.

They're as big of fakes on civil liberties as the GOP is on fiscal restraint.

SAd but true, so does this mean we can finally stop molesting kids and grannies and just do it the old fashioned and most effective way, racially profile?

 

[Vel]

They haven't given a shit about civil liberties.....EVAH.

They're as big of fakes on civil liberties as the GOP is on fiscal restraint.

SAd but true, so does this mean we can finally stop molesting kids and grannies and just do it the old fashioned and most effective way, racially profile?

Now you know that's not going to happen. Feeling up Granny is this administration's way of convincing the public that we're safe. And it's safe for them. If they felt up a terrorist, we might offend someone and cause a riot or something.

 

[Oddball]

But don't let the cops evict loutish pooping-in-the-bushes squatters from public parks!

 

[jillian]

This is an interesting read.

Democrats Retreat on Civil Liberties in 2012 Platform | Mother Jones

In 2008, Democrats were eager to draw a contrast with what they then portrayed as Republican excesses in the fight against Al Qaeda. Since then, the Obama administration has in many cases continued the national security policies of its predecessor—and the Democratic Party's 2012 platform highlights this reversal, abandoning much of the substance and all of the bombast of the 2008 platform. Here are a few places where the differences are most glaring:

Indefinite Detention
Warrantless Surveillance/PATRIOT Act
Gitmo
Racial Profiling in Fighting Terrorism
Torture

Everybody saw this coming, right?

how about voters' rights?
women's rights to equal pay for equal work?
right to reproductive choice?
right to marriage equality?

when the president talked about closing Gitmo, the right had a nervous breakdown
when the president said he wanted trials for the people detained at Gitmo, the right had a nervous breakdown.

no one engages in racial profiling... that's what ticks off all the whiners who have a nervous breakdown b/c they have to take off their shoes at the airport.

and please let us know what torture and waterboarding occurred while this president has been in office...

Good morning, X, thanks for the morning fauxrage.

 

[Oddball]

We already know that lolberals like to cherry pick their civil liberties issues, based upon which splinter constituency they want to pander to this week.

But when it comes to things that effect everyone -i.e. USAPATRIOT Act, TSA, roadside shakedowns, gubmint confiscation of private property for private developers- they not only don't give a shit, they argue in favor of these outrages.

But thanks for at least trying to be the token lolberal apologist for the police/nanny state, no matter how marginally relevant.

 

[Vel]

This is an interesting read.

Democrats Retreat on Civil Liberties in 2012 Platform | Mother Jones

In 2008, Democrats were eager to draw a contrast with what they then portrayed as Republican excesses in the fight against Al Qaeda. Since then, the Obama administration has in many cases continued the national security policies of its predecessor—and the Democratic Party's 2012 platform highlights this reversal, abandoning much of the substance and all of the bombast of the 2008 platform. Here are a few places where the differences are most glaring:

Indefinite Detention
Warrantless Surveillance/PATRIOT Act
Gitmo
Racial Profiling in Fighting Terrorism
Torture

Everybody saw this coming, right?

how about voters' rights?
women's rights to equal pay for equal work?
right to reproductive choice?
right to marriage equality?

when the president talked about closing Gitmo, the right had a nervous breakdown
when the president said he wanted trials for the people detained at Gitmo, the right had a nervous breakdown.

no one engages in racial profiling... that's what ticks off all the whiners who have a nervous breakdown b/c they have to take off their shoes at the airport.

and please let us know what torture and waterboarding occurred while this president has been in office...

Good morning, X, thanks for the morning fauxrage.

Obama doesn't have to worry about torture or waterboarding because his policy has been to kill, rather than capture. Even U.S. citizens, which while I think they were horrid citizens, this president killed them without due process or trial.

 

[alan1]

They haven't given a shit about civil liberties.....EVAH.

They're as big of fakes on civil liberties as the GOP is on fiscal restraint.

SAd but true, so does this mean we can finally stop molesting kids and grannies and just do it the old fashioned and most effective way, racially profile?

Just profile.

 

[jillian]

We already know that lolberals like to cherry pick their civil liberties issues, based upon which splinter constituency they want to pander to this week.

But when it comes to things that effect everyone -i.e. USAPATRIOT Act, TSA, roadside shakedowns, gubmint confiscation of private property for private developers- they not only don't give a shit, they argue in favor of these outrages.

But thanks for at least trying to be the token lolberal apologist for the police/nanny state, no matter how marginally relevant.

so spaketh the anti-choice randian pretend libertarian.

tissue?

 

[xsited1]

This is an interesting read.

Democrats Retreat on Civil Liberties in 2012 Platform | Mother Jones

In 2008, Democrats were eager to draw a contrast with what they then portrayed as Republican excesses in the fight against Al Qaeda. Since then, the Obama administration has in many cases continued the national security policies of its predecessor—and the Democratic Party's 2012 platform highlights this reversal, abandoning much of the substance and all of the bombast of the 2008 platform. Here are a few places where the differences are most glaring:

Indefinite Detention
Warrantless Surveillance/PATRIOT Act
Gitmo
Racial Profiling in Fighting Terrorism
Torture

Everybody saw this coming, right?

how about voters' rights?
women's rights to equal pay for equal work?
right to reproductive choice?
right to marriage equality?

when the president talked about closing Gitmo, the right had a nervous breakdown
when the president said he wanted trials for the people detained at Gitmo, the right had a nervous breakdown.

no one engages in racial profiling... that's what ticks off all the whiners who have a nervous breakdown b/c they have to take off their shoes at the airport.

and please let us know what torture and waterboarding occurred while this president has been in office...

Good morning, X, thanks for the morning fauxrage.

I'm impressed a liberal was brave enough to post in this thread. Let's take a look at a few of your points:

how about voters' rights?

The Obama Administration has a terrible history on voter rights since they do not push for voter id laws. This comes from a 21-member bipartisan Commission on Federal Election Reform, co-chaired by former President Jimmy Carter, advocated just such a policy in 2005. Here's some of what was said in the study: “To prevent the ID from being a barrier to voting, we recommend that states use the registration and ID process to enfranchise more voters than ever,” the executive summary of the commission’s report states. “States should play an affirmative role in reaching out to non-drivers by providing more offices, including mobile ones, to register voters and provide photo IDs free of charge. There is likely to be less discrimination against minorities if there is a single, uniform ID, than if poll workers can apply multiple standards.”

women's rights to equal pay for equal work?

You've been sucked in by the hype. Here are the facts:

FactCheck.org : Obama’s 77-Cent Exaggeration

And let's not forget this:

Female employees in the Obama White House make considerably less than their male colleagues, records show. (http://freebeacon.com/hostile-workplace/)

right to reproductive choice?

I'm actually with you on this. If organizations like Planned Parenthood weren't allowed to provide abortions, we would be overrun by unwanted kids. This is especially true for minorities. Imagine how much more dangerous the world would be if these minorities were allowed procreate?

right to marriage equality?

I can certainly understand why people of a judeo-christian background would want to keep the traditional definition of marriage. I also seem to recall God getting quite angry when his people sinned. But I'm with you on this.

But let me comment on this:

Good morning, X, thanks for the morning fauxrage.

When did Mother Jones become a right-wing website? In case you didn't know, they are a far left magazine. This entire thread is based on what they said. I suggest you send them a sternly written rebuke to tell them how wrong they were for posting this piece.