Democrats... Rejecting John F. Kennedy

[Correll]

Nowadays the Democratic Party would consider Kennedy a homophobic, right wing, bible thumping moron.


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JFK would be a conservative in America today.

JFK would despise today's conservative movement. They are more batshit crazy than he had to deal with

Do you believe in Inherent Rights (God Given) or do you believe Rights are granted by the State?

 

[Sonny Clark]

Nowadays the Democratic Party would consider Kennedy a homophobic, right wing, bible thumping moron.


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What is the relevance, if any, to the political scene of today?

The idea of Inherent Rights (or God Given) was one of the major principles of the Age of Enlightenment that was fundamental to the thinking of the Founders.

The modern liberal has moved backwards to before that to when rights were granted by the State (or Kings).

This completely reverses the relationship between Man and State.

But, Liberals are not the final word, nor are they the controlling authority. We have Moderates, Conservatives, and both the Left and the Right that have input. There's more than one stance on issues, and many voices are heard on each issue.

Liberals dominate the Dems, the same way the Country Club Republicans dominate the GOP.

They do have the final word.

Do you believe that Rights are God Given or granted by the State?

Both. We have moral rights, and we have legal rights.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Nowadays the Democratic Party would consider Kennedy a homophobic, right wing, bible thumping moron.


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JFK would be a conservative in America today.

JFK would despise today's conservative movement. They are more batshit crazy than he had to deal with

The John Birch Society gave him lots of practice.

 

[Lumpy 1]

Nowadays the Democratic Party would consider Kennedy a homophobic, right wing, bible thumping moron.


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JFK would be a conservative in America today.

JFK would despise today's conservative movement. They are more batshit crazy than he had to deal with

Okay one more....

 

[NYcarbineer]

I just realised that I'm tired.. very tired ..

I just realized you're not an American. Mind your own business.

 

[Correll]

Nowadays the Democratic Party would consider Kennedy a homophobic, right wing, bible thumping moron.


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What is the relevance, if any, to the political scene of today?

The idea of Inherent Rights (or God Given) was one of the major principles of the Age of Enlightenment that was fundamental to the thinking of the Founders.

The modern liberal has moved backwards to before that to when rights were granted by the State (or Kings).

This completely reverses the relationship between Man and State.

But, Liberals are not the final word, nor are they the controlling authority. We have Moderates, Conservatives, and both the Left and the Right that have input. There's more than one stance on issues, and many voices are heard on each issue.

Liberals dominate the Dems, the same way the Country Club Republicans dominate the GOP.

They do have the final word.

Do you believe that Rights are God Given or granted by the State?

Both. We have moral rights, and we have legal rights.

And you just shit canned 300 years of philosophical advancement.

This nation was founded on the ideal that government Rights are inherent.

This is a massive divide.

And JFK is on the Conservative Side.

Ever read the UN Declaration of Human RIghts?

It is based on the idea of inherent rights too.

 

[rightwinger]

Dems today do not reject JFK, but their platform today is considerably to the left of JFK...but that is true of the R party too.

In what way are they to the left of Kennedy?

Civil rights? Poverty Programs?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

JFK is too far right for the Republican Establishment

 

[Camp]

Why can't conservatives find their own great President to dig up and brag about? Why do they have to try and steal a liberal one and lie about him being one of their own? Nobody but brainwashed fools are going to believe that nonsense. .

 

[Wyatt earp]

Nowadays the Democratic Party would consider Kennedy a homophobic, right wing, bible thumping moron.


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JFK would be a conservative in America today.

JFK would despise today's conservative movement. They are more batshit crazy than he had to deal with

Another dishonest post, if you think JFK was more like Obama or hillary then a Scott Walker or Ted Cruz you are fucking nuts

 

[Correll]

Why can't conservatives find their own great President to dig up and brag about? Why do they have to try and steal a liberal one and lie about him being one of their own? Nobody but brainwashed fools are going to believe that nonsense. .

Do you believe Rights are Inherent (GOd Given) or do you believe they are granted by the State?

 

[Correll]

never mind.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Why can't conservatives find their own great President to dig up and brag about? Why do they have to try and steal a liberal one and lie about him being one of their own? Nobody but brainwashed fools are going to believe that nonsense. .

What lies? I would have voted for him the same way when I casted my first vote for Regan, they were the same.

 

[rightwinger]

Nowadays the Democratic Party would consider Kennedy a homophobic, right wing, bible thumping moron.


View attachment 40362

JFK would be a conservative in America today.

JFK would despise today's conservative movement. They are more batshit crazy than he had to deal with

Do you believe in Inherent Rights (God Given) or do you believe Rights are granted by the State?

God does not give us shit

Rights are demanded by We the people
The State is an agent of the people

 

[Correll]

Nowadays the Democratic Party would consider Kennedy a homophobic, right wing, bible thumping moron.


View attachment 40362

JFK would be a conservative in America today.

JFK would despise today's conservative movement. They are more batshit crazy than he had to deal with

Do you believe in Inherent Rights (God Given) or do you believe Rights are granted by the State?

God does not give us shit

Rights are demanded by We the people
The State is an agent of the people

And you just shit canned 300 years of philosophical advancement.

JFK clearly stated the opposite of what you just said.

Liberals, they claim to be progressive, but they are turning the clock back 300 years, literally to the end of the Medieval Period.

 

[Pogo]

Kennedy and the 'welfare state':

Welfare

• Unemployment and welfare benefits were expanded.[27]
• In 1961, Social Security benefits were increased by 20% and provision for early retirement was introduced, enabling workers to retire at the age of sixty-two while receiving partial benefits.[28]
• The Social Security Amendments of 1961 permitted male workers to elect early retirement age 62, increased minimum benefits, liberalized the benefit payments to aged widow, widower, or surviving dependent parent, and also liberalized eligibility requirements and the retirement test.[29]
• The 1962 amendments to the Social Security Act authorized the federal government to reimburse states for the provision of social services.[30]
• The School Lunch Act was amended for authority to begin providing free meals in poverty-stricken areas.[5]
• A pilot food stamp program was launched (1961), covering six areas in the United States. In 1962, the program was extended to eighteen areas, feeding 240,000 people.[31]
• Various school lunch and school milk programs were extended, “enabling 700,000 more children to enjoy a hot school lunch and eighty-five thousand more schools, child care centers, and camps to receive fresh milk”.[31]
• ADC was extended to whole families (1961).[32]
• Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) replaced the Aid to Dependent Children (ADC) program, as coverage was extended to adults caring for dependent children.[31]
• A major revision of the public welfare laws was carried out, with a $300 million modernisation which emphasised rehabilitation instead of relief”.[6]
• A temporary antirecession supplement to unemployment compensation was introduced.[6]
• Food distribution to needy Americans was increased.[6] In January 1961, the first executive order issued by Kennedy mandated that the Department of Agriculture increase the quantity and variety of foods donated for needy households. This executive order represented a shift in the Commodity Distribution Programs’ primary purpose, from surplus disposal to that of providing nutritious foods to low-income households.[33]
• Social Security benefits were extended to an additional five million Americans.[27]
• The Self-Employed Individuals Tax Retirement Act (1962) provided self-employed people with a tax postponement for income set aside in qualified pension plans.[29]
• The Public Welfare Amendments of 1962 provided for greater Federal sharing in the cost of rehabilitative services to applicants, recipients, and persons likely to become applicants for public assistance. It increased the Federal share in the cost of public assistance payments, and permitted the States to combine the various categories into one category. The amendments also made permanent the 1961 amendment which extended aid to dependent children to cover children removed from unsuitable homes.[29]
• Federal funds were made available for the payment of foster care costs for AFDC-eligible children who had come into state custody.[34]
• An act was approved (1963) which extended for one year the period during which responsibility for the placement and foster care of dependent children, under the program of aid to families with dependent children under Title IV of the Social Security Act.[29]
• Federal civil service retirement benefits were index-linked to changes in the Consumer Price Index (1962).

Any conservatives here on board that agenda?

You operate under the false assumption that the right isn't willing to help the poor. Could not be further from the truth. Notice that he wanted the welfare program geared toward rehabilitation (welfare to work) and tax postponement for self-employed.

There is no argument when it comes to helping the poor. Biggest difference between the parties is that one wants to actually get people out of poverty instead of keeping them there to ensure votes.

There is no problem using federal funds for necessities. The important thing is that we are actually solving the problems instead of throwing more and more money at it in a way that makes it bigger.

Too many people now ask what their country can do for them. Actually, it's more of a demand these days. They think they are entitled to receive without ever having to give back. That mentality is dangerous and the left loves it because people are addicted to government.

Where do you clowns get this cockamamie idea that one political party or ideology, all by itself, "wants to keep the poor in poverty to ensure votes"? Or keep them there for any reason?

Got a link to anyone, anywhere, any time, saying anything to that effect? Or just ipse dixit from some fat fack in Florida with a radio microphone?

 

[Correll]

Kennedy and the 'welfare state':

Welfare

• Unemployment and welfare benefits were expanded.[27]
• In 1961, Social Security benefits were increased by 20% and provision for early retirement was introduced, enabling workers to retire at the age of sixty-two while receiving partial benefits.[28]
• The Social Security Amendments of 1961 permitted male workers to elect early retirement age 62, increased minimum benefits, liberalized the benefit payments to aged widow, widower, or surviving dependent parent, and also liberalized eligibility requirements and the retirement test.[29]
• The 1962 amendments to the Social Security Act authorized the federal government to reimburse states for the provision of social services.[30]
• The School Lunch Act was amended for authority to begin providing free meals in poverty-stricken areas.[5]
• A pilot food stamp program was launched (1961), covering six areas in the United States. In 1962, the program was extended to eighteen areas, feeding 240,000 people.[31]
• Various school lunch and school milk programs were extended, “enabling 700,000 more children to enjoy a hot school lunch and eighty-five thousand more schools, child care centers, and camps to receive fresh milk”.[31]
• ADC was extended to whole families (1961).[32]
• Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) replaced the Aid to Dependent Children (ADC) program, as coverage was extended to adults caring for dependent children.[31]
• A major revision of the public welfare laws was carried out, with a $300 million modernisation which emphasised rehabilitation instead of relief”.[6]
• A temporary antirecession supplement to unemployment compensation was introduced.[6]
• Food distribution to needy Americans was increased.[6] In January 1961, the first executive order issued by Kennedy mandated that the Department of Agriculture increase the quantity and variety of foods donated for needy households. This executive order represented a shift in the Commodity Distribution Programs’ primary purpose, from surplus disposal to that of providing nutritious foods to low-income households.[33]
• Social Security benefits were extended to an additional five million Americans.[27]
• The Self-Employed Individuals Tax Retirement Act (1962) provided self-employed people with a tax postponement for income set aside in qualified pension plans.[29]
• The Public Welfare Amendments of 1962 provided for greater Federal sharing in the cost of rehabilitative services to applicants, recipients, and persons likely to become applicants for public assistance. It increased the Federal share in the cost of public assistance payments, and permitted the States to combine the various categories into one category. The amendments also made permanent the 1961 amendment which extended aid to dependent children to cover children removed from unsuitable homes.[29]
• Federal funds were made available for the payment of foster care costs for AFDC-eligible children who had come into state custody.[34]
• An act was approved (1963) which extended for one year the period during which responsibility for the placement and foster care of dependent children, under the program of aid to families with dependent children under Title IV of the Social Security Act.[29]
• Federal civil service retirement benefits were index-linked to changes in the Consumer Price Index (1962).

Any conservatives here on board that agenda?

You operate under the false assumption that the right isn't willing to help the poor. Could not be further from the truth. Notice that he wanted the welfare program geared toward rehabilitation (welfare to work) and tax postponement for self-employed.

There is no argument when it comes to helping the poor. Biggest difference between the parties is that one wants to actually get people out of poverty instead of keeping them there to ensure votes.

There is no problem using federal funds for necessities. The important thing is that we are actually solving the problems instead of throwing more and more money at it in a way that makes it bigger.

Too many people now ask what their country can do for them. Actually, it's more of a demand these days. They think they are entitled to receive without ever having to give back. That mentality is dangerous and the left loves it because people are addicted to government.

Where do you clowns get this cockamamie idea that one political party or ideology, all by itself, "wants to keep the poor in poverty to ensure votes"? Or keep them there for any reason?

Got a link to anyone, anywhere, any time, saying anything to that effect? Or just ipse dixit from some fat fack in Florida with a radio microphone?

He is judging you by the fruits of your labors.

 

[Pogo]

Kennedy and the 'welfare state':

Welfare

• Unemployment and welfare benefits were expanded.[27]
• In 1961, Social Security benefits were increased by 20% and provision for early retirement was introduced, enabling workers to retire at the age of sixty-two while receiving partial benefits.[28]
• The Social Security Amendments of 1961 permitted male workers to elect early retirement age 62, increased minimum benefits, liberalized the benefit payments to aged widow, widower, or surviving dependent parent, and also liberalized eligibility requirements and the retirement test.[29]
• The 1962 amendments to the Social Security Act authorized the federal government to reimburse states for the provision of social services.[30]
• The School Lunch Act was amended for authority to begin providing free meals in poverty-stricken areas.[5]
• A pilot food stamp program was launched (1961), covering six areas in the United States. In 1962, the program was extended to eighteen areas, feeding 240,000 people.[31]
• Various school lunch and school milk programs were extended, “enabling 700,000 more children to enjoy a hot school lunch and eighty-five thousand more schools, child care centers, and camps to receive fresh milk”.[31]
• ADC was extended to whole families (1961).[32]
• Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) replaced the Aid to Dependent Children (ADC) program, as coverage was extended to adults caring for dependent children.[31]
• A major revision of the public welfare laws was carried out, with a $300 million modernisation which emphasised rehabilitation instead of relief”.[6]
• A temporary antirecession supplement to unemployment compensation was introduced.[6]
• Food distribution to needy Americans was increased.[6] In January 1961, the first executive order issued by Kennedy mandated that the Department of Agriculture increase the quantity and variety of foods donated for needy households. This executive order represented a shift in the Commodity Distribution Programs’ primary purpose, from surplus disposal to that of providing nutritious foods to low-income households.[33]
• Social Security benefits were extended to an additional five million Americans.[27]
• The Self-Employed Individuals Tax Retirement Act (1962) provided self-employed people with a tax postponement for income set aside in qualified pension plans.[29]
• The Public Welfare Amendments of 1962 provided for greater Federal sharing in the cost of rehabilitative services to applicants, recipients, and persons likely to become applicants for public assistance. It increased the Federal share in the cost of public assistance payments, and permitted the States to combine the various categories into one category. The amendments also made permanent the 1961 amendment which extended aid to dependent children to cover children removed from unsuitable homes.[29]
• Federal funds were made available for the payment of foster care costs for AFDC-eligible children who had come into state custody.[34]
• An act was approved (1963) which extended for one year the period during which responsibility for the placement and foster care of dependent children, under the program of aid to families with dependent children under Title IV of the Social Security Act.[29]
• Federal civil service retirement benefits were index-linked to changes in the Consumer Price Index (1962).

Any conservatives here on board that agenda?

You operate under the false assumption that the right isn't willing to help the poor. Could not be further from the truth. Notice that he wanted the welfare program geared toward rehabilitation (welfare to work) and tax postponement for self-employed.

There is no argument when it comes to helping the poor. Biggest difference between the parties is that one wants to actually get people out of poverty instead of keeping them there to ensure votes.

There is no problem using federal funds for necessities. The important thing is that we are actually solving the problems instead of throwing more and more money at it in a way that makes it bigger.

Too many people now ask what their country can do for them. Actually, it's more of a demand these days. They think they are entitled to receive without ever having to give back. That mentality is dangerous and the left loves it because people are addicted to government.

Where do you clowns get this cockamamie idea that one political party or ideology, all by itself, "wants to keep the poor in poverty to ensure votes"? Or keep them there for any reason?

Got a link to anyone, anywhere, any time, saying anything to that effect? Or just ipse dixit from some fat fack in Florida with a radio microphone?

He is judging you by the fruits of your labors.

That post makes no sense on any level. It isn't even my point; I have no "labors".
And I believe "Clementine" would be a "she".

 

[Moonglow]

Why can't conservatives find their own great President to dig up and brag about? Why do they have to try and steal a liberal one and lie about him being one of their own? Nobody but brainwashed fools are going to believe that nonsense. .

Do you believe Rights are Inherent (GOd Given) or do you believe they are granted by the State?

God seems no where around when a civil rights violation is occurring...

 

[NYcarbineer]

Nowadays the Democratic Party would consider Kennedy a homophobic, right wing, bible thumping moron.


View attachment 40362

JFK would be a conservative in America today.

JFK would despise today's conservative movement. They are more batshit crazy than he had to deal with

Do you believe in Inherent Rights (God Given) or do you believe Rights are granted by the State?

God does not give us shit

Rights are demanded by We the people
The State is an agent of the people

And you just shit canned 300 years of philosophical advancement.

JFK clearly stated the opposite of what you just said.

Liberals, they claim to be progressive, but they are turning the clock back 300 years, literally to the end of the Medieval Period.

There are no God given rights. If there were, God would have told us so.