Democrat Party: Fruit of the Poisonous Tree

1. Start at the beginning. The first vice president of the Democrat Party was Aaron Burr: “After the loss of his seat in the legislature in 1799, he began to organize the Democratic Party in New York City. The group became a political powerhouse that could ensure the election of a democratic President. The ticket was to be Thomas Jefferson as President and Aaron Burr as Vice-President.” Aaron Burr

2. Of course, it was Burr who shot and killed ‘Founder’ Alexander Hamilton. He then plotted sedition against his own President, “… charged with treason in a conspiracy regarding capitalization on a possible war with Spain. He eventually was acquitted after a trial in 1807. He sailed to England in 1808 hoping to gain support for a revolution in Mexico. He was ordered out of the country and traveled in Europe to Sweden, Denmark, Germany and Paris. There he tried to garner support from Napoleon.” Ibid.

a. His personal life includes similarities to a number of his party: “He was indicted for murder (but not convicted) after the death of Hamilton; arrested and prosecuted for treason by Jefferson (but not convicted).” Aaron Burr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The die was cast for the future Democrat Party.





3. Burr was not only one of the founders of the Democratic Party- called the Democratic-Republicans at the time- but he “…began the construction of the political machine upon which the power of that organization is based.” Aaron Burr

a. Tammany Hall in New York city was, in many ways the model for American municipal corruption. The legacy of Aaron Burr’s Democrat party: bribery, theft, extortion seamlessly married to big city machine politics. The evolution of the criminal enterprise known as the Democratic Party built on corruption, to the use of gangsters as a source of its funds, to its philosophical alliance with communism, to it's modern marriage to big labor.
“The People v. The Democratic Party,” Michael Walsh




4. The father of the modern Democratic Party was Andrew Jackson. “In the 1820s, the leaders of Tammany threw their support behind Andrew Jackson’s quest for the presidency. Tammany leaders met with Jackson before his election in 1828, promised their support, and when Jackson was elected they were rewarded, in what became known as the spoils system, with federal jobs in New York City. With Tammany associated with the Jacksonians and the Democratic Party, the organization was viewed as friendly to the working people. And when waves of immigrants, especially from Ireland, arrived in New York City, Tammany became associated with the immigrant vote. ” Tammany Hall | Political Machine Ran New York City in the 1800s




5. The Republican Party was formed and an explicitly antislavery party, as opposed to the Democrats, who vied for the immigrant vote by championing slavery. John C. Fremont, first Republican candidate for President, opposed the expansion of slavery under the Kansas-Nebraska Act. The Republican slogan was “Free Soil, Free Labor, Free Speech, Free Men, and Fremont.”

a. Fremont lost to Democrat Buchanan, whose party invented the Kansas-Nebraska Act. “allowing the expansion of slavery…Buchanan, a Democrat, warned that the Republicans were extremists…” United States presidential election, 1856 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

b. The Whigs ran former President Millard Fillmore, who represented the anti-Catholic Know-Nothing Party. When President, Fillmore had signed the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850, mandating that runaway slaves had to be returned to the masters; the law was upheld seven years later by Roger Taney’s Supreme Court, in the Dred Scott decision.

c. “Some critics of the Dred Scott decision charged that President James Buchanan had conspired with Chief Justice Roger B. Taney to allow further expansion of slavery. [C]ritics included Abraham Lincoln and other Republicans….The historical record seems to indicate that Taney, at the very least, did provide advance notification to the president about the court’s decision. Further, it appears that Buchanan, in a clear abuse of his authority, persuaded a Northern Justice to join the Southerners, allowing the decision to appear less regionally partisan.” Buchanan-Taney Conspiracy




6. General George McClellan ran against Lincoln’s second term. Running as a Democrat, McClellan’s platform was written by the antiwar, borderline seditious Copperheads. “The Copperheads, so-called by Republicans who compared them to poisonous snakes, and by themselves after the Goddess of Liberty appearing on copper pennies, The Copperheads were shot through with racism, and increasingly opposed a war that moved from a goal of restoring the Union to one committed to abolition.” http://cll.com/clientuploads/pdfs/Copperhead.PDF Good ol’ Democrats, at it again.

a. Lincoln was assassinated by John Wilkes Booth, “…an angry Copperhead, a.k.a., ‘peace democrat,’ (when that meant pro-slavery, of course.) John Wilkes Booth - Liberapedia




7. With the aid and acquiescence of academia and the media since the 1960's, the “by any means necessary" Democrat party is the enemy of these founding virtues:

individualism, self-reliance, private (as opposed to public) charity, religious belief, religious liberty, personal expression, freedom of both public and private speech, the Judeo-Christian heritage, the right to self-defense, and low taxation.
Walsh, Op.Cit.


Once educated to the above, Americans will eschew this radical anti-American antagonist, anathema of our values.

Whoever wrote this dropped out of high school before the 10th grade! It was HAMILTON that challenged Burr of course, and Jackson began the Democratic party based ON Jefferson's Democratic Republicans; be honest, you have never read ANY of Jefferson's works, nor do you know US history from uranium.
 
1. Start at the beginning. The first vice president of the Democrat Party was Aaron Burr: “After the loss of his seat in the legislature in 1799, he began to organize the Democratic Party in New York City. The group became a political powerhouse that could ensure the election of a democratic President. The ticket was to be Thomas Jefferson as President and Aaron Burr as Vice-President.” Aaron Burr

2. Of course, it was Burr who shot and killed ‘Founder’ Alexander Hamilton. He then plotted sedition against his own President, “… charged with treason in a conspiracy regarding capitalization on a possible war with Spain. He eventually was acquitted after a trial in 1807. He sailed to England in 1808 hoping to gain support for a revolution in Mexico. He was ordered out of the country and traveled in Europe to Sweden, Denmark, Germany and Paris. There he tried to garner support from Napoleon.” Ibid.

a. His personal life includes similarities to a number of his party: “He was indicted for murder (but not convicted) after the death of Hamilton; arrested and prosecuted for treason by Jefferson (but not convicted).” Aaron Burr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The die was cast for the future Democrat Party.





3. Burr was not only one of the founders of the Democratic Party- called the Democratic-Republicans at the time- but he “…began the construction of the political machine upon which the power of that organization is based.” Aaron Burr

a. Tammany Hall in New York city was, in many ways the model for American municipal corruption. The legacy of Aaron Burr’s Democrat party: bribery, theft, extortion seamlessly married to big city machine politics. The evolution of the criminal enterprise known as the Democratic Party built on corruption, to the use of gangsters as a source of its funds, to its philosophical alliance with communism, to it's modern marriage to big labor.
“The People v. The Democratic Party,” Michael Walsh




4. The father of the modern Democratic Party was Andrew Jackson. “In the 1820s, the leaders of Tammany threw their support behind Andrew Jackson’s quest for the presidency. Tammany leaders met with Jackson before his election in 1828, promised their support, and when Jackson was elected they were rewarded, in what became known as the spoils system, with federal jobs in New York City. With Tammany associated with the Jacksonians and the Democratic Party, the organization was viewed as friendly to the working people. And when waves of immigrants, especially from Ireland, arrived in New York City, Tammany became associated with the immigrant vote. ” Tammany Hall | Political Machine Ran New York City in the 1800s




5. The Republican Party was formed and an explicitly antislavery party, as opposed to the Democrats, who vied for the immigrant vote by championing slavery. John C. Fremont, first Republican candidate for President, opposed the expansion of slavery under the Kansas-Nebraska Act. The Republican slogan was “Free Soil, Free Labor, Free Speech, Free Men, and Fremont.”

a. Fremont lost to Democrat Buchanan, whose party invented the Kansas-Nebraska Act. “allowing the expansion of slavery…Buchanan, a Democrat, warned that the Republicans were extremists…” United States presidential election, 1856 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

b. The Whigs ran former President Millard Fillmore, who represented the anti-Catholic Know-Nothing Party. When President, Fillmore had signed the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850, mandating that runaway slaves had to be returned to the masters; the law was upheld seven years later by Roger Taney’s Supreme Court, in the Dred Scott decision.

c. “Some critics of the Dred Scott decision charged that President James Buchanan had conspired with Chief Justice Roger B. Taney to allow further expansion of slavery. [C]ritics included Abraham Lincoln and other Republicans….The historical record seems to indicate that Taney, at the very least, did provide advance notification to the president about the court’s decision. Further, it appears that Buchanan, in a clear abuse of his authority, persuaded a Northern Justice to join the Southerners, allowing the decision to appear less regionally partisan.” Buchanan-Taney Conspiracy




6. General George McClellan ran against Lincoln’s second term. Running as a Democrat, McClellan’s platform was written by the antiwar, borderline seditious Copperheads. “The Copperheads, so-called by Republicans who compared them to poisonous snakes, and by themselves after the Goddess of Liberty appearing on copper pennies, The Copperheads were shot through with racism, and increasingly opposed a war that moved from a goal of restoring the Union to one committed to abolition.” http://cll.com/clientuploads/pdfs/Copperhead.PDF Good ol’ Democrats, at it again.

a. Lincoln was assassinated by John Wilkes Booth, “…an angry Copperhead, a.k.a., ‘peace democrat,’ (when that meant pro-slavery, of course.) John Wilkes Booth - Liberapedia




7. With the aid and acquiescence of academia and the media since the 1960's, the “by any means necessary" Democrat party is the enemy of these founding virtues:

individualism, self-reliance, private (as opposed to public) charity, religious belief, religious liberty, personal expression, freedom of both public and private speech, the Judeo-Christian heritage, the right to self-defense, and low taxation.
Walsh, Op.Cit.


Once educated to the above, Americans will eschew this radical anti-American antagonist, anathema of our values.

Whoever wrote this dropped out of high school before the 10th grade! It was HAMILTON that challenged Burr of course, and Jackson began the Democratic party based ON Jefferson's Democratic Republicans; be honest, you have never read ANY of Jefferson's works, nor do you know US history from uranium.

Oh....how sad.


You just failed the final exam.



1. "... the exchange escalated to Burr's demanding that Hamilton recant or deny any statement disparaging Burr’s honor over the past 15 years, but Hamilton, having already been disgraced by the Maria Reynolds adultery scandal and ever mindful of his own reputation and honor, did not. Burr responded by challenging Hamilton to personal combat under the..."
Aaron Burr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a. I recommend the Chernow book, "Alexander Hamilton."


2. 'He was elected a senator in 1791. He served six years and later won a seat in the state legislature when he was not re-elected to the Senate. After the loss of his seat in the legislature in 1799, he began to organize the Democratic Party in New York City. The group became a political powerhouse that could ensure the election of a democratic President.'
Aaron Burr

3. Burr was not only one of the founders of the Democratic Party- called the Democratic-Republicans at the time- but he “…began the construction of the political machine upon which the power of that organization is based.” Aaron Burr
a. Tammany Hall in New York city was, in many ways the model for American municipal corruption. The legacy of Aaron Burr’s Democrat party: bribery, theft, extortion seamlessly married to big city machine politics.

4. The father of the modern Democratic Party was Andrew Jackson. “In the 1820s, the leaders of Tammany threw their support behind Andrew Jackson’s quest for the presidency. Tammany leaders met with Jackson before his election in 1828, promised their support, and when Jackson was elected they were rewarded, in what became known as the spoils system, with federal jobs in New York City. With Tammany associated with the Jacksonians and the Democratic Party, the organization was viewed as friendly to the working people. And when waves of immigrants, especially from Ireland, arrived in New York City, Tammany became associated with the immigrant vote. ” Tammany Hall | Political Machine Ran New York City in the 1800s



Wow....you got ZERO right.
Looks like Forrest Gump would have speak loud and slow to you…
 
Som,e US history for those who spent highschool trying to look "sexy" and "catch" a football player:

Hamilton was a vain, arrogant elitist who saw in Jefferson a champion of the "great unwashed" he feared. Hamilton thought our Constitution too radical, he spent much time and money currying favor with those above him in talent and and intellect. Thus, he became secretary of the Treasury, but his Federalism, which bordered upon dictatorship by the Federal government was losing popularity when he defamed Burr in an article written AFTER he left the office of treasurer. Burr was of course acquitted of all charges as it was HAMILTON that wished a duel, perhaps believing he could gain influence again by killing Jefferson's "man". His vanity was his undoing, never a marksman, more of a dandy, Burr ended the life of the man who loved to challenge others to ILLEGAL duels:
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Hamilton had been a principal in 10 shot-less duels[clarification needed] prior to his fatal encounter with Burr, including duels with William Gordon (1779), Aedanus Burke (1790), John Francis Mercer (1792–1793), James Nicholson (1795), James Monroe (1797), and Ebenezer Purdy/George Clinton (1804). He also served as a second to John Laurens in a 1779 duel with General Charles Lee and legal client John Auldjo in a 1787 duel with William Pierce.[4] In addition, Hamilton claimed to have had one previous honor dispute with Burr;[5] Burr claimed there were two.[6]
Additionally, Hamilton's son, Philip, was killed in a November 23, 1801 duel with George I. Eacker, initiated after Philip and his friend Richard Price engaged in "hooliganish" behavior in Eacker's box at the Park Theatre.

Hamilton had been a principal in 10 shot-less duels[clarification needed] prior to his fatal encounter with Burr, including duels with William Gordon (1779), Aedanus Burke (1790), John Francis Mercer (1792–1793), James Nicholson (1795), James Monroe (1797), and Ebenezer Purdy/George Clinton (1804). He also served as a second to John Laurens in a 1779 duel with General Charles Lee and legal client John Auldjo in a 1787 duel with William Pierce.[4] In addition, Hamilton claimed to have had one previous honor dispute with Burr;[5] Burr claimed there were two.[6]
Additionally, Hamilton's son, Philip, was killed in a November 23, 1801 duel with George I. Eacker, initiated after Philip and his friend Richard Price engaged in "hooliganish" behavior in Eacker's box at the Park Theatre.
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More on Hamilton & his view of the American people:

Hamilton and his Federalist Party believed in a strong National Bank, a strong army and navy, and that the Articles of Confederation were weak and should be eliminated. The Republicans believed the opposite. They argued that the strong national government would limit democracy and limit the powers that states could have. The Federalists ideas were supported by urban citizens because of the economic stance that the party took which would benefit the industrial growth of the United States.
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Hamilton looked upon farmers and laborers as SERFS, many of the Founders remarked at times they wondered why he had not joined the Tories.
 
I see PC bailed when anything but canned internet history is produced. More on Hamilton:

He despised the idea that citizens should ELECT leaders, he considered most Americans unfit TO vote, even the WHITE MALES then allowed to do so; here is his opinion of Americans:

The people are turbulent and changing, they seldom judge or determine right.
Alexander Hamilton

Hamilton desired an oligarchy, thus his estrangement from not only Jefferson, but eventually, Adams and Washington also.
 
I see PC bailed when anything but canned internet history is produced. More on Hamilton:

He despised the idea that citizens should ELECT leaders, he considered most Americans unfit TO vote, even the WHITE MALES then allowed to do so; here is his opinion of Americans:

The people are turbulent and changing, they seldom judge or determine right.
Alexander Hamilton

Hamilton desired an oligarchy, thus his estrangement from not only Jefferson, but eventually, Adams and Washington also.

Bailed, you fraud?

There were two points you raised in your erroneous post...


1. Burr challenged Hamilton.

2. Burr was wasn't a founder of the Democrat Party.


You were found wanting in both contentions.


By you retreating from same, and bringing up new and different points, you have defined defeat.



Watching you pretend that you haven't scurried away from your original post, and pretend that the new post was the one to which I was responding,
...with apologies to Brendan Behan, is like watching a Eunuch in a Harem.
'He wants to, but just can’t.'
 
Benedict Arnold would have been one of today's Republicans.

One can always count on you, deanie, for a stupid, biased post totally unrelated to any real world condition or situation.


But I am often amused by them.

In this case I have an interest, having recently taken a trip to West Point.

Sitting in one of the chapels, I noticed a plaque.....

"The walls of the Old Cadet Chapel in the West Point Cemetery are covered with plaques and medallions citing brave deeds and battles. One plaque close to the altar differs from the others: the name once deeply etched there has been obliterated. The absent name is Benedict Arnold, a name now synonymous with "traitor."
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What is the inscription on Benedict Arnold's plaque, and where is it? ------ The inscription contains only the rank and date of birth. Both the name and date of death have been gouged out. The plaque is in the Old Cadet Chapel (Post Cemetery).
Bugle Notes: Learn This!


"...date of death have been gouged out."
So he can't rest in peace.

Glad you brought it up, deanie.
 
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1. Start at the beginning. The first vice president of the Democrat Party was Aaron Burr
Start at the beginning? Then say how the Democratic Party, originally called the Republican Party, was founded by James Madison and Thomas Jefferson. Why are you focused on Burr? Oh, to make the point that Dems are bad. Got it.

2. Of course, it was Burr who shot and killed ‘Founder’ Alexander Hamilton. He then plotted sedition against his own President, “… charged with treason in a conspiracy regarding capitalization on a possible war with Spain. He eventually was acquitted after a trial in 1807 ....”
[/QUOTE] All true but it's important to note his trial for treason came after he was kicked out of the Democratic Party. Burr was not convicted (despite Jefferson charging him with treason) due to a lack of evidence.

a.His personal life includes similarities to a number of his party: “He was indicted for murder (but not convicted) after the death of Hamilton; arrested and prosecuted for treason by Jefferson (but not convicted).” Aaron Burr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The die was cast for the future Democrat Party.
[/QUOTE] The "die is cast" because a Democrat (Jefferson) had a former Democrat (Burr) arrested for treason?

B]Tammany Hall in New York city was, in many ways the model for American municipal corruption.[/B]
Without a doubt. The Chicago machine runs a close second, I imagine. Both are Democratic run, true.

The legacy of Aaron Burr’s Democrat party: bribery, theft, extortion seamlessly married to big city machine politics.
Wrong. You cannot say it's Burr's party when 1) it was founded by Madison and Jefferson, not Burr, and 2) the party disavowed him.

The evolution of the criminal enterprise known as the Democratic Party built on corruption, to the use of gangsters as a source of its funds, to its philosophical alliance with communism, to it's modern marriage to big labor.
I agree with big labor, but communism? If the Democratic Party is allied with Communism, wouldn't Communists join the Democratic Party? Instead, they started their own party and ran candidates against Democrats. There's no alliance when you're competing for votes. As for corruption and gangsters, I doubt any political party has a lock on those.

4. The father of the modern Democratic Party was Andrew Jackson.
Only if by modern you mean the 19th Century. The father of the modern (i.e. 20th/21st century) Democratic Party is FDR.

“In the 1820s, the leaders of Tammany threw their support behind Andrew Jackson’s quest for the presidency. Tammany leaders met with Jackson before his election in 1828, promised their support, and when Jackson was elected they were rewarded, in what became known as the spoils system, with federal jobs in New York City.
Not just NYC but anywhere federal jobs were. The spoils system reeks and it was started by a Democrat.

5.The Republican Party was formed and an explicitly antislavery party, as opposed to the Democrats, who vied for the immigrant vote by championing slavery.
True enough. Republicans (who aren't the GOP as this shows) began as anti-slavery while Democrats became pro-slavery. What is less clear, however, is the political leanings of these parties back then. Republicans were full of what we would call liberals, while Democrats were mostly conservatives. That goes counter to your core argument, that Democrats have historically been bad and still are. Both parties were much different over two hundred years ago--go figure.



7. With the aid and acquiescence of academia and the media since the 1960's, the “by any means necessary" Democrat party is the enemy of these founding virtues: individualism, self-reliance, private (as opposed to public) charity, religious belief, religious liberty, personal expression, freedom of both public and private speech, the Judeo-Christian heritage, the right to self-defense, and low taxation. [/QUOTE]Laughable, that is. By promoting slavery in the 19th Century, Democrats were championing private property, the then Judeo-Christian heritage (which held slavery was part of God's plan), states' rights, and individual rights (slaves are property and the gov't is not going to take away anyone's property)--all quite conservatives. Meanwhile, the Republicans at that time espoused a stronger federal government, less states' rights, and public charity through Reconstruction--all considered liberal today.

I'm not saying the Democratic Party is 100% perfect--I agreed with some of the points you raised above--but it's not black-and-white as you said. The Dems have screwed up royally in the past but, again, they were conservative up through the late 1800s, when they repeatedly lost power to Republicans and changed.
 
1. Start at the beginning. The first vice president of the Democrat Party was Aaron Burr
Start at the beginning? Then say how the Democratic Party, originally called the Republican Party, was founded by James Madison and Thomas Jefferson. Why are you focused on Burr? Oh, to make the point that Dems are bad. Got it.

2. Of course, it was Burr who shot and killed ‘Founder’ Alexander Hamilton. He then plotted sedition against his own President, “… charged with treason in a conspiracy regarding capitalization on a possible war with Spain. He eventually was acquitted after a trial in 1807 ....”
All true but it's important to note his trial for treason came after he was kicked out of the Democratic Party. Burr was not convicted (despite Jefferson charging him with treason) due to a lack of evidence.

[/QUOTE] The "die is cast" because a Democrat (Jefferson) had a former Democrat (Burr) arrested for treason?

Without a doubt. The Chicago machine runs a close second, I imagine. Both are Democratic run, true.

Wrong. You cannot say it's Burr's party when 1) it was founded by Madison and Jefferson, not Burr, and 2) the party disavowed him.

The evolution of the criminal enterprise known as the Democratic Party built on corruption, to the use of gangsters as a source of its funds, to its philosophical alliance with communism, to it's modern marriage to big labor.
I agree with big labor, but communism? If the Democratic Party is allied with Communism, wouldn't Communists join the Democratic Party? Instead, they started their own party and ran candidates against Democrats. There's no alliance when you're competing for votes. As for corruption and gangsters, I doubt any political party has a lock on those.

4. The father of the modern Democratic Party was Andrew Jackson.
Only if by modern you mean the 19th Century. The father of the modern (i.e. 20th/21st century) Democratic Party is FDR.

“In the 1820s, the leaders of Tammany threw their support behind Andrew Jackson’s quest for the presidency. Tammany leaders met with Jackson before his election in 1828, promised their support, and when Jackson was elected they were rewarded, in what became known as the spoils system, with federal jobs in New York City.
Not just NYC but anywhere federal jobs were. The spoils system reeks and it was started by a Democrat.

5.The Republican Party was formed and an explicitly antislavery party, as opposed to the Democrats, who vied for the immigrant vote by championing slavery.
True enough. Republicans (who aren't the GOP as this shows) began as anti-slavery while Democrats became pro-slavery. What is less clear, however, is the political leanings of these parties back then. Republicans were full of what we would call liberals, while Democrats were mostly conservatives. That goes counter to your core argument, that Democrats have historically been bad and still are. Both parties were much different over two hundred years ago--go figure.



7. With the aid and acquiescence of academia and the media since the 1960's, the “by any means necessary" Democrat party is the enemy of these founding virtues: individualism, self-reliance, private (as opposed to public) charity, religious belief, religious liberty, personal expression, freedom of both public and private speech, the Judeo-Christian heritage, the right to self-defense, and low taxation. [/QUOTE]Laughable, that is. By promoting slavery in the 19th Century, Democrats were championing private property, the then Judeo-Christian heritage (which held slavery was part of God's plan), states' rights, and individual rights (slaves are property and the gov't is not going to take away anyone's property)--all quite conservatives. Meanwhile, the Republicans at that time espoused a stronger federal government, less states' rights, and public charity through Reconstruction--all considered liberal today.

I'm not saying the Democratic Party is 100% perfect--I agreed with some of the points you raised above--but it's not black-and-white as you said. The Dems have screwed up royally in the past but, again, they were conservative up through the late 1800s, when they repeatedly lost power to Republicans and changed.[/QUOTE]



"I'm not saying the Democratic Party is 100% perfect--"

I kinda like the post, guff, but my view of the message board is similar to my view of presidential politics.

We don't have a line-item veto on candidates. You pick one, give it your best, and take the good and the bad.

Lots of folks still favor Bill "Shechem" Clinton, and are willing to overlook rape....
...because he agrees on certain viewpoints.


So...for purposes of interest, and I appreciate the work you put in (even though you are wrong in several above), it seems to me we are better off in taking extreme positions.

What do you think?


Rep on the way.
 
Are you seriously saying people are better off with extreme positions? Have you seen the Muslim world lately?

As far as I know, Clinton never raped anyone nor has any allegation or lawsuit successfully proved that. Clinton became a magnet of improper and false accusations, making his real failing (Lewinsky) seem unreal--the whole crying wolf problem. Everybody has faults--the question is can you look past them? For me, I can look past Clinton's affair. It's not right by any means, and his response was completely unpresidential. But that's one facet.
 
Are you seriously saying people are better off with extreme positions? Have you seen the Muslim world lately?

As far as I know, Clinton never raped anyone nor has any allegation or lawsuit successfully proved that. Clinton became a magnet of improper and false accusations, making his real failing (Lewinsky) seem unreal--the whole crying wolf problem. Everybody has faults--the question is can you look past them? For me, I can look past Clinton's affair. It's not right by any means, and his response was completely unpresidential. But that's one facet.

1. I am seriously saying that it is the most interesting stance to take on a message board.

...if you like debate.

2. "Clinton never raped anyone..."


Clinton Misogyny - Sex
Juanita Broaddrick (AR)- rape
Eileen Wellstone (Oxford) - rape
Elizabeth Ward Gracen - rape - quid pro quo, post incident intimidation
Regina Hopper Blakely - "forced himself on her, biting, bruising her"
Kathleen Willey (WH) - sexual assault, intimidations, threats
Sandra Allen James (DC) - sexual assault
22 Year Old 1972 (Yale) - sexual assault
Kathy Bradshaw (AK) - sexual assault
Cristy Zercher - unwelcomed sexual advance, intimidations
Paula Jones (AR) - unwelcomed sexual advance, exposure, bordering on sexual assault
Carolyn Moffet -unwelcomed sexual advance, exposure, bordering on sexual assault
1974 student at University of Arkansas - unwelcomed physical contact
1978-1980 - seven complaints per Arkansas state troopers
Monica Lewinsky - quid pro quo, post incident character assault
Gennifer Flowers - quid pro quo, post incident character assault
Dolly Kyle Browning - post incident character assault
Sally Perdue - post incident threats
Betty Dalton - rebuffed his advances, married to one of his supporters
Denise Reeder - apologetic note scanned
CLINTON'S ROGUES GALLERY:

6'2", 230 lbs.....good reason for a concealed carry permit.



3. "Everybody has faults--"

Hitler was a great painter...two coats in an afternoon!
 
Benedict Arnold would have been one of today's Republicans.

One can always count on you, deanie, for a stupid, biased post totally unrelated to any real world condition or situation.


But I am often amused by them.

In this case I have an interest, having recently taken a trip to West Point.

Sitting in one of the chapels, I noticed a plaque.....

"The walls of the Old Cadet Chapel in the West Point Cemetery are covered with plaques and medallions citing brave deeds and battles. One plaque close to the altar differs from the others: the name once deeply etched there has been obliterated. The absent name is Benedict Arnold, a name now synonymous with "traitor."
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What is the inscription on Benedict Arnold's plaque, and where is it? ------ The inscription contains only the rank and date of birth. Both the name and date of death have been gouged out. The plaque is in the Old Cadet Chapel (Post Cemetery).
Bugle Notes: Learn This!


"...date of death have been gouged out."
So he can't rest in peace.

Glad you brought it up, deanie.

You've always been easily amused. A bright shiny piece of broken glass. A string. It doesn't take much.

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Are you seriously saying people are better off with extreme positions? Have you seen the Muslim world lately?

As far as I know, Clinton never raped anyone nor has any allegation or lawsuit successfully proved that. Clinton became a magnet of improper and false accusations, making his real failing (Lewinsky) seem unreal--the whole crying wolf problem. Everybody has faults--the question is can you look past them? For me, I can look past Clinton's affair. It's not right by any means, and his response was completely unpresidential. But that's one facet.
Clinton was forced by the courts to pay Paula Jones $800,000, and he was disbarred.

Do you have any clue what it takes for an officer of the court and a sitting president to be disbarred?

If you did, you would be horrified by the Idiots who celebrated his Impeachment in the Rose Garden of the White House.

Yes, he did lose lawsuits to people he did damaging things to.

He also had no right to use the Arkansas State Trooper Department to solicit and escort dates for his proclivities. None.

Before beginning an intermittent series on the Clinton legacy, it's necessary to try to disturb the general relief among most of the citizenry, including George W. Bush, about independent counsel Robert Ray's agreement to end any criminal liability for William Jefferson Clinton. This discounting of justice is far more pernicious than the late-night pardons of Marc Rich and others.
Titled "An Agreed Order of Discipline," the deal was calculatedly made with Clinton and his lawyer by Robert Ray just before Clinton left office. On succeeding the much bastinadoed Kenneth Starr, Ray pledged that he would affirm the principle that "no person is above the law, not even the President of the United States."
On January 19, Ray told the nation what he had secured from Clinton to prevent his indictment. Clinton admitted he "knowingly gave evasive and misleading testimony" in his deposition in the Paula Jones case. Clinton also admitted his testimony was "prejudicial to the administration of justice." As punishment, Clinton's law license was suspended for five years, and he paid a $25,000 fine to the Arkansas Bar Association. Furthermore, he agreed not to try to get reimbursement for his legal fees connected with the independent counsel's investigation.
Source: the Village Voice
 
Benedict Arnold would have been one of today's Republicans.

One can always count on you, deanie, for a stupid, biased post totally unrelated to any real world condition or situation.


But I am often amused by them.

In this case I have an interest, having recently taken a trip to West Point.

Sitting in one of the chapels, I noticed a plaque.....

"The walls of the Old Cadet Chapel in the West Point Cemetery are covered with plaques and medallions citing brave deeds and battles. One plaque close to the altar differs from the others: the name once deeply etched there has been obliterated. The absent name is Benedict Arnold, a name now synonymous with "traitor."
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What is the inscription on Benedict Arnold's plaque, and where is it? ------ The inscription contains only the rank and date of birth. Both the name and date of death have been gouged out. The plaque is in the Old Cadet Chapel (Post Cemetery).
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"...date of death have been gouged out."
So he can't rest in peace.

Glad you brought it up, deanie.

You've always been easily amused. A bright shiny piece of broken glass. A string. It doesn't take much.

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"You've always been easily amused. A bright shiny piece of broken glass. A string. It doesn't take much."



Well, well, well....a teachable moment~


Let's consider 'conditional sentences' or implications!

a. I said you amuse me.

b. you said 'It doesn't take much to amuse you.


Therefore.....

.....wait for it.....




c. conclusion: you're not much!




quod erat demonstrandum!



Wasn't that fun!
Let's do it again some time.
 
....and I ripped you a new one, didn't I?

Yes, we got us a legend in her own mind!

You're new to this internet thing, I see. Otherwise, you would have known that the declare-victory-and-retreat routine simply gets everyone laughing at you.

An honest and sensible person who wanted to compare the violent nature of each side would look at recent data. The American right is killing a lot more people than the American left. The American right tends to slurp the heinies of their violent wing, while the American left disowns their violent wing.

A shameless partisan propagandist would deliberately ignore recent reality, and instead put together a cherrypicked list of arbitarily chosen and strangely mangled data from centuries ago, and then insanely pretend it meant something.

I did the former. You did the latter. 'Nuff said.

So, what do you hope to accomplish with these unibomber manifestos, other to convince everyone that you're a little off?
 
....and I ripped you a new one, didn't I?

Yes, we got us a legend in her own mind!

You're new to this internet thing, I see. Otherwise, you would have known that the declare-victory-and-retreat routine simply gets everyone laughing at you.

An honest and sensible person who wanted to compare the violent nature of each side would look at recent data. The American right is killing a lot more people than the American left. The American right tends to slurp the heinies of their violent wing, while the American left disowns their violent wing.

A shameless partisan propagandist would deliberately ignore recent reality, and instead put together a cherrypicked list of arbitarily chosen and strangely mangled data from centuries ago, and then insanely pretend it meant something.

I did the former. You did the latter. 'Nuff said.

So, what do you hope to accomplish with these unibomber manifestos, other to convince everyone that you're a little off?

"A shameless partisan propagandist...."


Gee....I've given dozens of linked and sources examples....

....you?

None.



Just empty bloviation masquerading as conclusion: "The American right is killing a lot more people than the American left."

So....nothing?


But....you certainly have established your Liberal creds, as the usual Lib nature, feeling passes for knowing.
 
By all means then, list those recently dead by the hand of the American left. For once, back up that big talk.

I could mention a list of abortion workers, Oklahoma City, the Sikh Temple, the Holocaust Museum, the Unitarian Church, and so on. I think all you could find is one chicken-bag holder who couldn't aim well enough to kill anyone.

And again, the secondary point there is that no one on the left is supporting chicken-bagger, while the right kisses up to white supremicists, militias and clinic bombers. You know the "oh, we condemn violence (winkwink), but all of you are still welcome here!" thing.

Perhaps you could give us a list of liberal militias recently caught planning to violently attack/overthrow the government? I just mention that since I could give a list of such conservative militias.
 
By all means then, list those recently dead by the hand of the American left. For once, back up that big talk.

I could mention a list of abortion workers, Oklahoma City, the Sikh Temple, the Holocaust Museum, the Unitarian Church, and so on. I think all you could find is one chicken-bag holder who couldn't aim well enough to kill anyone.

And again, the secondary point there is that no one on the left is supporting chicken-bagger, while the right kisses up to white supremicists, militias and clinic bombers. You know the "oh, we condemn violence (winkwink), but all of you are still welcome here!" thing.

Perhaps you could give us a list of liberal militias recently caught planning to violently attack/overthrow the government? I just mention that since I could give a list of such conservative militias.

Here's what I'll do....as this is the 'poisonous tree'...let's continue your education by going to the source.

Georges Sorel

I note you were unable to provide any links nor sources nor documentation of any kind....

...be sure you don't miss mine.



Georges Eugène Sorel (2 November 1847 in Cherbourg – 29 August 1922 in Boulogne-sur-Seine) was a French philosopher and theorist of revolutionary syndicalism. His notion of the power of myth in people's lives inspired Marxists and Fascists, it is, together with his defense of violence, the contribution for which he is most often remembered.
Georges Sorel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


In his best-known work, Reflections on Violence (1908, tr. 1912), which became the basic text of syndicalism, Sorel expounded his theory of "violence" as the creative power of the proletariat that could overcome "force," the coercive economic power of the bourgeoisie. He supported belief in myths about future social developments, arguing that such belief promoted social progress. http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Georges_Sorel.aspx



In his most famous work (1908), Sorel emphasized the violent and irrational motivations of social and economic conduct (echoing Pareto in many ways). His identification of the need for a deliberately-conceived "myth" to sway crowds into concerted action was put to use by the Fascist and Communist movements of the 1920s and after. http://homepage.newschool.edu/het//profiles/sorel.htm
 
The Leftist Leviathan

David Horowitz and Jacob Laksin expose the new reality of American politics.

by Janice Fiamengo
September 20, 2012

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Co-written by two of the most highly respected conservative commentators on the political scene today, The New Leviathan is a groundbreaking portrait of the left’s “tax-exempt resources,” with nearly a hundred pages of appendices identifying the comparative assets of conservative and progressivist groups. The authors show in hard figures how left-wing foundations financially outstrip the right by a factor of ten to one. In 2009, progressivist funds totaled a hefty 104.56 billion dollars. A single left-leaning philanthropy, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, had an endowment of over 33 billion, which alone is three times the total of funds accessible to the 75 viable conservative groups. Leftist foundations, the authors show, are both dramatically richer and better organized than those on the right, with groups such as the Tides Foundation existing precisely to coordinate and support the phalanx of left-wing organizations. Tides has received money from the most venerable of American philanthropies, including the Rockefeller, Carnegie, Mellon, and Kellogg. When campaigning on individual public issues, the left swamps its opponents: for example, 117 progressivist organizations devoted more than 50% of their programs to supporting open borders and citizens’ rights for illegal aliens, with a total of 306.1 million dollars. They are opposed by only nine conservative organizations that address the illegal immigration agenda, with a comparatively small financial base of 13.8 million.

As they develop their thesis, Horowitz and Laksin focus on different aspects of the left-wing political machine, showing the depth and pervasiveness of foundations’ role—for example, in nurturing and funding Obama, first when he was a community organizer and then as a presidential candidate. Those who have had doubts about Obama’s formation as a creature of the left will almost certainly be convinced by the evidence amassed here. Organizations such as Project Vote, a registration drive targeting black voters for which Obama served as director, and the Annenberg Challenge, a Chicago school initiative focused on African-centered curricula for which he was chairman of the board, not only introduced him to the ideology and tactics of Saul Alinsky-style radicals, but also put him in contact with many of the extremists who would later assist him on his ascent to the White House and would become key policy advisors. These include the academic power couple associated with the Midwest Academy training center for radicals, Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, unrepentant former Weather Underground terrorists.

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The Leftist Leviathan

David Horowitz and Jacob Laksin expose the new reality of American politics.

by Janice Fiamengo
September 20, 2012

---

Co-written by two of the most highly respected conservative commentators on the political scene today, The New Leviathan is a groundbreaking portrait of the left’s “tax-exempt resources,” with nearly a hundred pages of appendices identifying the comparative assets of conservative and progressivist groups. The authors show in hard figures how left-wing foundations financially outstrip the right by a factor of ten to one. In 2009, progressivist funds totaled a hefty 104.56 billion dollars. A single left-leaning philanthropy, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, had an endowment of over 33 billion, which alone is three times the total of funds accessible to the 75 viable conservative groups. Leftist foundations, the authors show, are both dramatically richer and better organized than those on the right, with groups such as the Tides Foundation existing precisely to coordinate and support the phalanx of left-wing organizations. Tides has received money from the most venerable of American philanthropies, including the Rockefeller, Carnegie, Mellon, and Kellogg. When campaigning on individual public issues, the left swamps its opponents: for example, 117 progressivist organizations devoted more than 50% of their programs to supporting open borders and citizens’ rights for illegal aliens, with a total of 306.1 million dollars. They are opposed by only nine conservative organizations that address the illegal immigration agenda, with a comparatively small financial base of 13.8 million.

As they develop their thesis, Horowitz and Laksin focus on different aspects of the left-wing political machine, showing the depth and pervasiveness of foundations’ role—for example, in nurturing and funding Obama, first when he was a community organizer and then as a presidential candidate. Those who have had doubts about Obama’s formation as a creature of the left will almost certainly be convinced by the evidence amassed here. Organizations such as Project Vote, a registration drive targeting black voters for which Obama served as director, and the Annenberg Challenge, a Chicago school initiative focused on African-centered curricula for which he was chairman of the board, not only introduced him to the ideology and tactics of Saul Alinsky-style radicals, but also put him in contact with many of the extremists who would later assist him on his ascent to the White House and would become key policy advisors. These include the academic power couple associated with the Midwest Academy training center for radicals, Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, unrepentant former Weather Underground terrorists.

PJ Media » The Leftist Leviathan

Imagine how much of the national debt could be paid if we just 'diverted' those funds? At appears that some of the richest entities indeed do not pay a fair share because they pay no share at all.
 

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