DemocRAT Obey on Afghanistan Surge: "Fool's Errand"...

[del]

"The essence of the Liberal outlook lies not in what opinions are held, but in how they are held: instead of being held dogmatically, they are held tentatively, and with a consciousness that new evidence may at any moment lead to their abandonment."

Sounds like the words of a man with no spine... a pussy if you will... a waffler... a ditherer and a man of no convictions.

spoken by a person who hates evidence.

When you live in a fantasy land you cant understand cold hard evidence I guess

don't be so modest, liar.

you don't need to guess.

 

[MaggieMae]

Not too worry, Obama is set to tell the whole world the offcial "cut and run" date.

From priority one to fuck it in one year.

He never said he wanted to be there forever searching for that illusive "victory." The greatest war generals in history know that you never enter a war without an exit strategy. Having one is hardly saying "fuck it."

 

[MaggieMae]

the invasion of iraq in 2003 was the single worst foreign policy decision in the history of the US, bar none.

How fucking stupid is this statement? Like.. what about our forrays in Southeast Asia? How about fueling the modern Islamo Fascists by caving to them in the late seventies? How about crucifying post WW I Germany so as to create the Nazi (Socialist) movement of the late thirties?

What a mypoic fucktard.

One can only imagine the amount of criticism this administration would be under if Obama had decided to just say "fuck it," bring the troops home, and then a few months later, the United States came under another attack from a Taliban-backed al Qaeda.

Mypoic[sic] indeed. 'Tis you who is a myopic idiot.

 

[del]

Saddam attacked Saudi Arabia?

Kuwait is a sovereign Arab state and requested military assistance from the United States. Thus the first Gulf War.

Saddam Hussein was captured in December 2003.

It's now 2009.

he lobbed more scuds at the sauds than he did at israel, IIRC.

You mean Kuwait? It's located right at the tip of SA, so I'm sure some missed their mark. But Iraq never intentionally attacked Saudi Arabia. That would have been very foolish.

no, i mean saudi arabia. if you want to quibble that he was targeting US bases, go for it.

 

[MaggieMae]

I guess he just wants to make sure we get a few more dead GI's before he says "see ya".

What a piece of shit.

Are you aware it is standard military procedure to reinforce a withdrawing force to protect them on the way out?

I don't think this person is seriously "aware" of much of anything.

 

[Truthmatters]

I guess he just wants to make sure we get a few more dead GI's before he says "see ya".

What a piece of shit.

Are you aware it is standard military procedure to reinforce a withdrawing force to protect them on the way out?

I don't think this person is seriously "aware" of much of anything.

I fear you may be right

 

[MaggieMae]

he lobbed more scuds at the sauds than he did at israel, IIRC.

You mean Kuwait? It's located right at the tip of SA, so I'm sure some missed their mark. But Iraq never intentionally attacked Saudi Arabia. That would have been very foolish.

no, i mean saudi arabia. if you want to quibble that he was targeting US bases, go for it.

Not quibbling. But the implication by the sargeant was that Iraq intentionally attacked (invaded) Saudi Arabia, which is my point. I do recall that scuds were flying everywhere, many way off target. They became a joke after awhile.

 

[SFC Ollie]

The afghan operation should have been over years ago and Iraq should never have happened.

Bring em all home. NOW!

While it is true we should have finished in Afghanistan years ago, we didn't. The mission obviously isn't completed. And Iraq had to happen. Once Saddam attacked Kuwait and threatened (and attacked) Saudi Arabia, it could end only with his removal.

Saddam attacked Saudi Arabia?

Kuwait is a sovereign Arab state and requested military assistance from the United States. Thus the first Gulf War.

Saddam Hussein was captured in December 2003.

It's now 2009.

Yes Saddam attacked Saudi Arabia, my my how little we know.

The battle for the Saudi coastal town of al-Khafji, was the first major ground battle of Desert Storm.

The Battle of Al-Khafji - Storming Media

 

[SFC Ollie]

Despite the fact that Iraqi forces were being systematically destroyed by the allied air campaign, the Iraqis were nonetheless able to mount a rather sophisticated ground attack and seize the Saudi town with relative ease. The Iraqi attack came as an absolute surprise despite the coalition's technological advantages in reconnaissance equipment and the impressive array of coalition forces defending the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Saddam Hussein attempted to use the surprise attack into Saudi Arabia as a method to advance several strategic-level political and military objectives


The Sergeant is always right

 

[mal]

That'll Shut 'em up...



peace...

 

[MaggieMae]

Despite the fact that Iraqi forces were being systematically destroyed by the allied air campaign, the Iraqis were nonetheless able to mount a rather sophisticated ground attack and seize the Saudi town with relative ease. The Iraqi attack came as an absolute surprise despite the coalition's technological advantages in reconnaissance equipment and the impressive array of coalition forces defending the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Saddam Hussein attempted to use the surprise attack into Saudi Arabia as a method to advance several strategic-level political and military objectives


The Sergeant is always right

You should not try to fool Maggie Mae. Try posting your link, which is below, with the complete abstract. Obviously this "strike" was so nominal that no one paid much attention, which is why there are only 2 reports anywhere to be found (this one, and one very old, using that dinosaur Juno):

AIR - Storming Media
Abstract: The battle for the Saudi coastal town of al-Khafji, was the first major ground battle of Desert Storm. Despite the fact that Iraqi forces were being systematically destroyed by the allied air campaign, the Iraqis were nonetheless able to mount a rather sophisticated ground attack and seize the Saudi town with relative ease. The Iraqi attack came as an absolute surprise despite the coalition's technological advantages in reconnaissance equipment and the impressive array of coalition forces defending the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Saddam Hussein attempted to use the surprise attack into Saudi Arabia as a method to advance several strategic-level political and military objectives. First, he was able to use the attack as a propaganda mechanism to rally domestic and Arab nationalistic support. Next, he endeavored to destabilize or destroy the coalition arrayed against him. Lastly, he sought to dampen American enthusiasm for the war by generating American casualties, thus demonstrating to the American public the unappealing potential for, and disastrous results of a protracted ground conflict. Ultimately, the Iraqi incursion was a failure in that it neglected to achieve Saddam's strategic objectives of disrupting the coalition forces arrayed against him.

 

[mal]

Despite the fact that Iraqi forces were being systematically destroyed by the allied air campaign, the Iraqis were nonetheless able to mount a rather sophisticated ground attack and seize the Saudi town with relative ease. The Iraqi attack came as an absolute surprise despite the coalition's technological advantages in reconnaissance equipment and the impressive array of coalition forces defending the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Saddam Hussein attempted to use the surprise attack into Saudi Arabia as a method to advance several strategic-level political and military objectives


The Sergeant is always right

You should not try to fool Maggie Mae. Try posting your link, which is below, with the complete abstract. Obviously this "strike" was so nominal that no one paid much attention, which is why there are only 2 reports anywhere to be found (this one, and one very old, using that dinosaur Juno):

AIR - Storming Media
Abstract: The battle for the Saudi coastal town of al-Khafji, was the first major ground battle of Desert Storm. Despite the fact that Iraqi forces were being systematically destroyed by the allied air campaign, the Iraqis were nonetheless able to mount a rather sophisticated ground attack and seize the Saudi town with relative ease. The Iraqi attack came as an absolute surprise despite the coalition's technological advantages in reconnaissance equipment and the impressive array of coalition forces defending the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Saddam Hussein attempted to use the surprise attack into Saudi Arabia as a method to advance several strategic-level political and military objectives. First, he was able to use the attack as a propaganda mechanism to rally domestic and Arab nationalistic support. Next, he endeavored to destabilize or destroy the coalition arrayed against him. Lastly, he sought to dampen American enthusiasm for the war by generating American casualties, thus demonstrating to the American public the unappealing potential for, and disastrous results of a protracted ground conflict. Ultimately, the Iraqi incursion was a failure in that it neglected to achieve Saddam's strategic objectives of disrupting the coalition forces arrayed against him.

So it Happened, as he said, but you will Dismiss it anyway because it doesn't Fit your Narative?... Nice.



peace...

 

[MaggieMae]

Despite the fact that Iraqi forces were being systematically destroyed by the allied air campaign, the Iraqis were nonetheless able to mount a rather sophisticated ground attack and seize the Saudi town with relative ease. The Iraqi attack came as an absolute surprise despite the coalition's technological advantages in reconnaissance equipment and the impressive array of coalition forces defending the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Saddam Hussein attempted to use the surprise attack into Saudi Arabia as a method to advance several strategic-level political and military objectives


The Sergeant is always right

You should not try to fool Maggie Mae. Try posting your link, which is below, with the complete abstract. Obviously this "strike" was so nominal that no one paid much attention, which is why there are only 2 reports anywhere to be found (this one, and one very old, using that dinosaur Juno):

AIR - Storming Media
Abstract: The battle for the Saudi coastal town of al-Khafji, was the first major ground battle of Desert Storm. Despite the fact that Iraqi forces were being systematically destroyed by the allied air campaign, the Iraqis were nonetheless able to mount a rather sophisticated ground attack and seize the Saudi town with relative ease. The Iraqi attack came as an absolute surprise despite the coalition's technological advantages in reconnaissance equipment and the impressive array of coalition forces defending the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Saddam Hussein attempted to use the surprise attack into Saudi Arabia as a method to advance several strategic-level political and military objectives. First, he was able to use the attack as a propaganda mechanism to rally domestic and Arab nationalistic support. Next, he endeavored to destabilize or destroy the coalition arrayed against him. Lastly, he sought to dampen American enthusiasm for the war by generating American casualties, thus demonstrating to the American public the unappealing potential for, and disastrous results of a protracted ground conflict. Ultimately, the Iraqi incursion was a failure in that it neglected to achieve Saddam's strategic objectives of disrupting the coalition forces arrayed against him.

So it Happened, as he said, but you will Dismiss it anyway because it doesn't Fit your Narative?... Nice.



peace...

Oh please. The initial implication by The Sarge was that there was a full-fledged invasion of Saudi Arabia, and that couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Despite the fact that Iraqi forces were being systematically destroyed by the allied air campaign, the Iraqis were nonetheless able to mount a rather sophisticated ground attack and seize the Saudi town with relative ease. The Iraqi attack came as an absolute surprise despite the coalition's technological advantages in reconnaissance equipment and the impressive array of coalition forces defending the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Saddam Hussein attempted to use the surprise attack into Saudi Arabia as a method to advance several strategic-level political and military objectives


The Sergeant is always right

You should not try to fool Maggie Mae. Try posting your link, which is below, with the complete abstract. Obviously this "strike" was so nominal that no one paid much attention, which is why there are only 2 reports anywhere to be found (this one, and one very old, using that dinosaur Juno):

AIR - Storming Media
Abstract: The battle for the Saudi coastal town of al-Khafji, was the first major ground battle of Desert Storm. Despite the fact that Iraqi forces were being systematically destroyed by the allied air campaign, the Iraqis were nonetheless able to mount a rather sophisticated ground attack and seize the Saudi town with relative ease. The Iraqi attack came as an absolute surprise despite the coalition's technological advantages in reconnaissance equipment and the impressive array of coalition forces defending the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Saddam Hussein attempted to use the surprise attack into Saudi Arabia as a method to advance several strategic-level political and military objectives. First, he was able to use the attack as a propaganda mechanism to rally domestic and Arab nationalistic support. Next, he endeavored to destabilize or destroy the coalition arrayed against him. Lastly, he sought to dampen American enthusiasm for the war by generating American casualties, thus demonstrating to the American public the unappealing potential for, and disastrous results of a protracted ground conflict. Ultimately, the Iraqi incursion was a failure in that it neglected to achieve Saddam's strategic objectives of disrupting the coalition forces arrayed against him.

I don't care how many references you found to it. I was still on active duty at the time. I had troops on the ground in Saudi. and I was running courier missions in and out. The fact remains that Saddam DID attack Saudi Arabia. My point is proven.

 

[SFC Ollie]

You should not try to fool Maggie Mae. Try posting your link, which is below, with the complete abstract. Obviously this "strike" was so nominal that no one paid much attention, which is why there are only 2 reports anywhere to be found (this one, and one very old, using that dinosaur Juno):

AIR - Storming Media
Abstract: The battle for the Saudi coastal town of al-Khafji, was the first major ground battle of Desert Storm. Despite the fact that Iraqi forces were being systematically destroyed by the allied air campaign, the Iraqis were nonetheless able to mount a rather sophisticated ground attack and seize the Saudi town with relative ease. The Iraqi attack came as an absolute surprise despite the coalition's technological advantages in reconnaissance equipment and the impressive array of coalition forces defending the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Saddam Hussein attempted to use the surprise attack into Saudi Arabia as a method to advance several strategic-level political and military objectives. First, he was able to use the attack as a propaganda mechanism to rally domestic and Arab nationalistic support. Next, he endeavored to destabilize or destroy the coalition arrayed against him. Lastly, he sought to dampen American enthusiasm for the war by generating American casualties, thus demonstrating to the American public the unappealing potential for, and disastrous results of a protracted ground conflict. Ultimately, the Iraqi incursion was a failure in that it neglected to achieve Saddam's strategic objectives of disrupting the coalition forces arrayed against him.

So it Happened, as he said, but you will Dismiss it anyway because it doesn't Fit your Narative?... Nice.



peace...

Oh please. The initial implication by The Sarge was that there was a full-fledged invasion of Saudi Arabia, and that couldn't be further from the truth.

What part of "the Iraqis were nonetheless able to mount a rather sophisticated ground attack and seize the Saudi town with relative ease. " Is so difficult to understand. The first ground battle of the war was Saddam attacking Saudi, Thank God it was unsuccessful in all its objectives.

In plainer terms "the Iraqis proceeded to kick the shit out of coalition forces and were in full control of the town." They actually won the first battle. (My Quotes)

 

[mal]

You should not try to fool Maggie Mae. Try posting your link, which is below, with the complete abstract. Obviously this "strike" was so nominal that no one paid much attention, which is why there are only 2 reports anywhere to be found (this one, and one very old, using that dinosaur Juno):

AIR - Storming Media
Abstract: The battle for the Saudi coastal town of al-Khafji, was the first major ground battle of Desert Storm. Despite the fact that Iraqi forces were being systematically destroyed by the allied air campaign, the Iraqis were nonetheless able to mount a rather sophisticated ground attack and seize the Saudi town with relative ease. The Iraqi attack came as an absolute surprise despite the coalition's technological advantages in reconnaissance equipment and the impressive array of coalition forces defending the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Saddam Hussein attempted to use the surprise attack into Saudi Arabia as a method to advance several strategic-level political and military objectives. First, he was able to use the attack as a propaganda mechanism to rally domestic and Arab nationalistic support. Next, he endeavored to destabilize or destroy the coalition arrayed against him. Lastly, he sought to dampen American enthusiasm for the war by generating American casualties, thus demonstrating to the American public the unappealing potential for, and disastrous results of a protracted ground conflict. Ultimately, the Iraqi incursion was a failure in that it neglected to achieve Saddam's strategic objectives of disrupting the coalition forces arrayed against him.

So it Happened, as he said, but you will Dismiss it anyway because it doesn't Fit your Narative?... Nice.



peace...

Oh please. The initial implication by The Sarge was that there was a full-fledged invasion of Saudi Arabia, and that couldn't be further from the truth.

Your Innacurate Perception of his Words doesn't Make your Assertion True.



peace...

 

[SFC Ollie]

So it Happened, as he said, but you will Dismiss it anyway because it doesn't Fit your Narative?... Nice.



peace...

Oh please. The initial implication by The Sarge was that there was a full-fledged invasion of Saudi Arabia, and that couldn't be further from the truth.

Your Innacurate Perception of his Words doesn't Make your Assertion True.



peace...

The initial implication was threatened (and attacked) Saudi. Now how does that imply a anything? Just a simple statement of fact and you went off on a tangent because you didn't know about it. Give me a break. No you have a break, kick back relax, take a breather. You need it. (not you malcontent)

 

[saveliberty]

Oh please. The initial implication by The Sarge was that there was a full-fledged invasion of Saudi Arabia, and that couldn't be further from the truth.

Your Innacurate Perception of his Words doesn't Make your Assertion True.



peace...

The initial implication was threatened (and attacked) Saudi. Now how does that imply a anything? Just a simple statement of fact and you went off on a tangent because you didn't know about it. Give me a break. No you have a break, kick back relax, take a breather. You need it. (not you malcontent)

MaggieMae has been blathering about all day. I suspect she'll have a better day tomorrow, in the mean time, let's just smile and nod. psst..SFC Ollie..you got the white jacket?

 

[mal]

Oh please. The initial implication by The Sarge was that there was a full-fledged invasion of Saudi Arabia, and that couldn't be further from the truth.

Your Innacurate Perception of his Words doesn't Make your Assertion True.



peace...

The initial implication was threatened (and attacked) Saudi. Now how does that imply a anything? Just a simple statement of fact and you went off on a tangent because you didn't know about it. Give me a break. No you have a break, kick back relax, take a breather. You need it. (not you malcontent)

I Know... Liberals are Inherently Emotional and Reactionary... Learning to Deal with them with that Taken into Consideration makes Dealing with them a More Enjoyable Experience.

They are a Reality, so it's Better to Learn to Deal with them.

In this Case, Maggles Reacted to your Words as she Perceived them... Clearly an Incorrect Perception, yet she Moved on it anyway.

Usually once they have Realized their Error, they are Incapable of Acknowledging it.

I Know a Mondale Voter who is a Primary Example of it.

They just Walk the Fuck away until the Next Time they Pounce Expecting Victory.



peace...

 

[MaggieMae]

So it Happened, as he said, but you will Dismiss it anyway because it doesn't Fit your Narative?... Nice.



peace...

Oh please. The initial implication by The Sarge was that there was a full-fledged invasion of Saudi Arabia, and that couldn't be further from the truth.

What part of "the Iraqis were nonetheless able to mount a rather sophisticated ground attack and seize the Saudi town with relative ease. " Is so difficult to understand. The first ground battle of the war was Saddam attacking Saudi, Thank God it was unsuccessful in all its objectives.

In plainer terms "the Iraqis proceeded to kick the shit out of coalition forces and were in full control of the town." They actually won the first battle. (My Quotes)

Okay, you're obviously not getting my argument here, which is simply that you gave the impression that at some point in history Iraq had commenced a MAJOR attack on Saudi Arabia, and I am simply saying that such a comment needs clarification because there has never been a major war between those two countries. So I'll give you this:

(And hope I don't get sued for violating copyrights belonging to Politifact.com)