Democracy's Global Crisis

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    unrealistic expectations
     
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    Very thought-provoking article, NATO, especially for those who think that democracy in the Middle East should be up and running efficiently in three years' time. Peters makes you understand that democracy requires not only political change but cultural change as well.
     
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    Do you think that's what his article says? I'm not saying it doesn't particularly. But I see it differently.... I think the article makes it clear that the folk who talk about imposing democracy may get more than they bargained for when the democratically chosen leaders of these new democracie might not be our cup of tea. Thus, democratization could backfire (as with the election of the Hamas terrorists).
     
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    We absolutely need to remember that we in America live in a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC

    ...and not a plain and simple "Democracy".

    Democracy is simply mob rule.

    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Benjamin Franklin, 1759

    Maybe we have truly forgotten...

    "Democracy, n:

    A government of the masses. Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of direct expression. Results in mobocracy. Attitude toward property is communistic... negating property rights. Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it is based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Result is demagogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy."

    -- U. S. Army Training Manual No. 2000-25 (1928-1932), since withdrawn.

    Isn't this interesting?

    "...negating property rights"

    I seem to remember a supreme court ruling regarding this...

    Justices Affirm Property Seizures
    By Charles Lane
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Friday, June 24, 2005; A01

    "The Supreme Court ruled yesterday that local governments may force property owners to sell out and make way for private economic development when officials decide it would benefit the public, even if the property is not blighted and the new project's success is not guaranteed.

    The 5 to 4 ruling provided the strong affirmation that state and local governments had sought for their increasing use of eminent domain for urban revitalization, especially in the Northeast, where many city centers have decayed and the suburban land supply is dwindling."
     
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    Agreed (one of the points, Peters is famous for making you think on different levels in his longer essays like this)

    This point is particulary true if you lack a good understanding of the ethnic, religious and tribal differences and grievances in a nation, as we pathetically did in Iraq. Also with Palestine and Egypt, we fail to understand the draw of starving, suffering people to a party (no matter how evil) who nevertheless provides food, medicine and other critical services that the regime in charge does not.
     
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    Yes, and a great degree of patience and careful management. It will be decades before there is real progress, especially in a place with eroded (or non-existent) state infrastructures.
     
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    I guess we shall see if politics gives them the time they need. A couple of decades of consistant messages from the US is highly unlikely and we are far from the only players there. Lots of folks want a piece of that action.
     
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    Actually, the ideal is a Liberal Democracy which can be implemented through various constitutionally structured governments, but essentially, individual freedoms and state authority is clearly defined through a constitutional document, either written or unwritten....if you will. Some don't put individual rights above other laws, but still uphold individual freedoms too, like the UK.
     
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    Hell, yes!!! Exactly!! They had leadership who didn't care about the needs of the people and who diverted desperately needed funds to their own personal use. And then Abbas was unable to make inroads. Hungry people don't have much choice. (Which is why I always say that educated, well-fed, employed people are much less likely to blow themselves up). I am actually hoping that, at some point, Hamas starts to actually govern and move toward normalcy.
     
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    Characteristics of a successful democracy; wealth, education and secularism (governments) also have strong correlations to freer markets.
     

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