Democracy - tough piece

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  1. midcan5
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    What If It's Just Us? The Hard Question

    By David Ker Thomson

    "But the hard questions about Hitler would, at the least, include hard questions about ourselves. Why was our side so happy to go kill Germans in 1914? Why did we choose to brutalize their side at the Treaty of Versailles? What did we think was the plan for the world when Germans after the first war were so poor that they had to bring a wheelbarrow of money to the baker to buy a loaf of bread?

    How hard is that?

    What we find too hard is to criticize our biggest fetish.

    Democracy is our biggest fetish. It’s a brutal system, conceived in slave nations like Greece and 18th-century America, wonderfully synchronous with whatever form of corporate savagery is in style (right now it’s globalization), glorifies the movement of power away from the individual and the neighborhood in a process called “representation” which would be a travesty even if it worked. Perhaps especially if it worked. It enables people to invert the most significant dynamic in their lives, stability versus radicalism, by pretending that the radicals are the gentle folk who like to sit on their stoops and get their food locally and ride bikes and so on while the conservative and stable people are the ones who send young men and women off to torture and rape and murder in foreign adventures (or to foment such activities repeatedly, as has Barrack Obama, who comes from the only nuclear power to use nuclear bombs against large cities, and projects this brutality on to Iran). The strongest democracies have the biggest prison systems for keeping blacks and males ‘out’ of trouble."

    David Ker Thomson: The Hard Question
     
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    We live in a shamocracy, of that there can be very little doubt.

    2.4 million people in prison in the land of the free and the brave?

    Nuf said.
     
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    You'd just let all those criminals go free? They're in there for a reason. They blew their chance at freedom when they raped, murdered, robbed, carjacked, and other crimes that left some innocent citizens without much of a life for the rest of their life.
     
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    Interesting, I was just reading this yesterday. There are links at site:

    The Volokh Conspiracy - -


    Here's another from this morning:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080609/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/fbi_crime

     
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    I'm all for locking up white and black collared criminals.

    Now about the other million or so people we have in prison or jail for minor offenses?

    Waste of money and of human capital, too.
     
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    Not to mention that there's a bit of evidence that once you're in the prison system, no matter how minor the crime, you become part of the culture. It'd be great if we reformed things so the punishment actually did fit the crime.
     
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    We'd have to start off by decriminalizing drugs
     
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    No one defended democracy?
     
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    I'll defend democracy.

    I think the biggest beef I have with the world right now is capitalism. Capitalism and democracy are not at all the same thing (thus the term "democratic socialists"). Democracies are bound to be corrupt, sure, but as cliche as it is, I don't see any value in any other system of government.

    I'm not sure what David Ker is getting at exactly.
     
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    There is no need to defend it. Compared to every other type of Government we have ever had in the world, I will stick with what WE have. You like socialism so much? Move to a country that practices it.
     

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