Democracy in the Middle East ?

[Dartayan]

..no, you explain to me how Presedent George W Idiots reasons for going to War and killing thousands of people makes sense.

 

[jimnyc]

Originally posted by Dartayan
..no, you explain to me how Presedent George W Idiots reasons for going to War and killing thousands of people makes sense.

I didn't start this thread, YOU did. And now you outright refuse to backup anything you said.

That makes your entire post garbage and you a troll. You made stuff up out of thin air and have been called on it and busted. Now you look extremely foolish. You have lost all credibility after only 7 posts. You've set a new record.

Thanks for playing.

 

[kcmcdonald]

you are not ansewring the question. Bush didn't kill thousands. where are your numbers coming from. Dude you are a troll. I've made up my mind and i have come to the realazation that you are a troll. That is a shitty lable man, mabey later when you come up with some solid info backed by facts you can have the label removed.

 

[kcmcdonald]

Originally posted by jimnyc
I didn't start this thread, YOU did. And now you outright refuse to backup anything you said.

That makes your entire post garbage and you a troll. You made stuff up out of thin air and have been called on it and busted. Now you look extremely foolish. You have lost all credibility after only 7 posts. You've set a new record.

Thanks for playing.

 

[Dartayan]

..no one willing to take up the challenge huh ? I don't blame you I guess you are just abunch of very scatred ignorant people clingong to whatever your idiotic President says , oh well enjoy your illusions while you can.

 

[Zhukov]

Originally posted by Dartayan
..just for a laugh I would like someone to actually attempt to sound intelligent. While at the same time try to convince me that
the US gives a rats ass about Democracy in the Middle East, and its got nothing to do with all that oil.

Because we are setting up a democracy and they still own the oil.

Now prove that isn't the case.

 

[jimnyc]

Originally posted by Dartayan
..no one willing to take up the challenge huh ? I don't blame you I guess you are just abunch of very scatred ignorant people clingong to whatever your idiotic President says , oh well enjoy your illusions while you can.

You want a challenge? Shit, you can't even answer your own questions! You make asinine comments and realize after the fact that you can't back them up.

You are an embarrassment to all Canadians.

I will have Bully say a prayer for you.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by Dartayan
..no, you explain to me how Presedent George W Idiots reasons for going to War and killing thousands of people makes sense.

George W. Idiot. This monkey can throw turds!

 

[kcmcdonald]

Originally posted by Dartayan
..no one willing to take up the challenge huh ? I don't blame you I guess you are just abunch of very scatred ignorant people clingong to whatever your idiotic President says , oh well enjoy your illusions while you can.

I gave you an example of why the US is puting democracy foward and you ignored it, then you switched topics and accused us, then i told you Bush didn't kill thousands, later i asked you to explain where you get this "gurilla war" thing from. You didn't answer. Stop posting if all you can do is make shit up and then when we call you out you switch topics. You can't even answer your own question can you.
as i have said before you are a troll

 

[kcmcdonald]

looks like the whole board just found out what a bug troll you really are. Stupid Canadan EH?

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Man, if the U.S. wanted to take over the world it'd be done by now. Really it's too much responsibility. Our philosophy is free markets, and individual rights within the country, AND in occupied territories. If your free, a one world government lays lightly on the soul, barely a feathers worth of burden, and informative, as it's consistent with natural law. U.N. style global socialism would be an oppressive yoke, bent on income redistribution market stagnation, and death of innovation and increase in human life. Life grows always. To stop it is, in essence, barbaric.

 

[MadMax]

Originally posted by Dartayan
..insults always impune the person throwing them. Don't even talk to me about Isreal, the minute you say one negative thing out come the ant-semite name calling, and if you think that the situation in Iraq will not sooner then you think turn into another Vietnam, well its your kids not mine.

I thought about argueing then I thought about debating you, then I just cam to the conclusion that you are just a dickhead.

 

[kcmcdonald]

Originally posted by MadMax
I thought about argueing then I thought about debating you, then I just cam to the conclusion that you are just a dickhead.

nope just a TROLL

 

[Said1]

I do believe oil is a small motivating factor in the war, but only as far as the currency in which it's sold. This is not a popular opinion, although I think it has some truth to it.

www.atrueword.com/index.php/article/articleview/49/1/2/

The Euro and the war in Iraq

In November 2000, Iraq began selling its oil for euros, moving away from the post-World War II standard of the US dollar as the currency of international trade. Whilst seen by many at the time as a bizarre act of political defiance, it has proved beneficial for Iraq, with the euro
gaining almost 25% against the dollar since 2001. It now costs around USD$1.05 to buy one Euro.

Iraq's move towards the euro is indicative of a growing trend. Iran has already converted the majority of its central bank reserve funds to the euro, and has hinted at adopting the euro for all oil sales. On December 7th, 2002, the third member of the axis of evil, North Korea, dumped the dollar and began using euros for trade. Venezuela, not a member of the axis of evil yet, but a large oil producer nonetheless, is also considering a switch to the euro. More importantly, at its April 14th, 2002 meeting in Spain, OPEC expressed an interest in leaving the dollar in favour of the euro.

If OPEC were to switch to the euro as the standard for oil transactions, it would have serious ramifications for the US economy. Oil-consuming economies would have to flush the dollars out of their central bank holdings and convert them to euros. Some economists estimate that with the market flooded, the US dollar could drop up to 40% in value. As the currency falls, there would be a monetary evacuation by foreign investors abandoning the US stock markets and dollar-denominated assets. Imported products would cost Americans a lot more, and the trade deficit would be magnified.

It is foreign demand for the US dollar that funds the US federal budget deficits. Foreign investors flush with dollars typically look to US treasury securities as a means of secure investment. With a large reduction in such investment, the country could potentially go into default. Things could turn very bad, very quickly.

In May 2004 an additional 10 member nations will join the European Union. At that point, the EU will represent an oil consumer 33% larger than the United States. In order to mitigate currency risks, the Europeans will increasingly pressure OPEC to trade in euros, and with the EU at that stage buying over half of OPEC oil production, such a change seems likely.

This is a scenario that America cannot afford to see eventuate. The US will go to any length to fend off an attempt by OPEC to dump greenbacks as its reserve currency. Attacking Iraq and installing a client regime in Baghdad may have a preventative effect. It will certainly ensure that Iraq returns to using dollars and provide a violent example to any other nation in the region contemplating a migration to the euro.

An American-backed junta in Iraq would also enable the US to smash OPEC's hold over oil prices. The US or its client regime could increase Iraqi oil production to levels well beyond OPEC quotas, driving prices down worldwide and weakening the economies of the oil producing nations, thus lessening their likelihood of abandoning the dollar. It would have the short term effect of reducing the profits of domestic oil companies, but the long term effect of securing America's economic hegemony.

The frequently offered canard of the Left that this war is being fought to secure oil revenues for American oil companies may have some truth to it. However, a more plausible explanation may be that the Bush administration is waging war to protect the dollar and smash the OPEC hold over international oil prices. It's a war whose purpose is bigger than Halliburton or Exxon: it's a war being fought to maintain America's position in the world.

Attending the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio, George Bush Senior told the world that, "the American way of life is not negotiable". As cruise missiles rain on Iraq, we are learning just how 'non-negotiable' that way of life really is.

 

[kcmcdonald]

That's very scarry to think about, I've heard this before about how were fighting this war to trade Iraq oil back to the dollar from the Euro. Most people would be screeming fould but you know whatt. American interst is a good reason for me ro go to war, hell that's why every other country has gone to war in the past right, reasources, teritory, money. I'm backing away from my no war for oil stance but the article is right, we would be in big trouble if the dollar lsot it's trading power. The Europeans would love to see a smashed america, but guess what, we lived through 10 years of a depression and the world will always neeed our military. That's why we need stronger trade partners, I say we expand NAFTA in to the NAU(North American Union) The US, Canada, and Mexico all become a regional tradeing conglomerite, We become like the EU. Trade a common currency, the Dollar, Mexico would love to have the dollar as it's currency and the canadain dollar is weaker than the amercan sollar. WE poruse our borders, the mexicans can stream to southern US and rich US retireies would flock to the BAJA, Every thing would work out for the better, eventually we get Venisulla(spelling) in on it and get oil for very cheap....Fuck OPEC. But this is rather scary, I'ld hate to see what the Europeas are willing to do for a stronger Euro and cheaper oil.

 

[Said1]

Originally posted by kcmcdonald
That's very scarry to think about, I've heard this before about how were fighting this war to trade Iraq oil back to the dollar from the Euro.

I don't think that's the only reason, just a small part of a much larger picture. I have no problem with Saddam being taken out, but we shall just have to wait and see what happens. After all, the truth always comes out eventually.