Democracy In Egypt Is Bad For The United States

[mudwhistle]

Let's face it. They hate us. No election in any Middle Eastern country is going to put in place a government that is friendly to our country or our primary ally, Israel.

It also doesn't help that Obama has been actively running this revolution from the White House. They don't want to give the impression this is an American operation but it's getting harder and harder to hide the fact. Guess it just depends on what people are willing to believe.

What's the difference between the kind of government takeover and regime-building Bush did in Iraq and Obama is doing in Egypt?

Why is Egypt of more strategic importance then Iraq is?

We've got some serious idiots currently running our government and we're powerless to stop them from screwing the pooch. What they're doing today will effect our lives for decades to come. It could mean the deaths of thousands of Israelis.

 

[rdean]

Let's face it. They hate us. No election in any Middle Eastern country is going to put in place a government that is friendly to our country or our primary ally, Israel.

It also doesn't help that Obama has been actively running this revolution from the White House. They don't want to give the impression this is an American operation but it's getting harder and harder to hide the fact. Guess it just depends on what people are willing to believe.

What's the difference between the kind of government takeover and regime-building Bush did in Iraq and Obama is doing in Egypt?

Why is Egypt of more strategic importance then Iraq is?

We've got some serious idiots currently running our government and we're powerless to stop them from screwing the pooch. What they're doing today will effect our lives for decades to come. I could mean the deaths of thousands of Israelis.

Obama didn't bomb the hell out of Egypt, lie to the American people and stand idly by as a million Christians were murdered or chased out of their homeland.

And you have the nerve to ask, "What's the difference"?

Ask the more than 40 thousand maimed Americans who made it out of Iraq. They'll tell you.

 

[Flopper]

Let's face it. They hate us. No election in any Middle Eastern country is going to put in place a government that is friendly to our country or our primary ally, Israel.

It also doesn't help that Obama has been actively running this revolution from the White House. They don't want to give the impression this is an American operation but it's getting harder and harder to hide the fact. Guess it just depends on what people are willing to believe.

What's the difference between the kind of government takeover and regime-building Bush did in Iraq and Obama is doing in Egypt?

Why is Egypt of more strategic importance then Iraq is?

We've got some serious idiots currently running our government and we're powerless to stop them from screwing the pooch. What they're doing today will effect our lives for decades to come. It could mean the deaths of thousands of Israelis.

For years we have proclaimed that we support democracy throughout the world. But what if those new democracies oppose the US? It has always been assumed that any country with a democratic government would be friendly with US. We may just have to change our propaganda.

 

[mudwhistle]

Let's face it. They hate us. No election in any Middle Eastern country is going to put in place a government that is friendly to our country or our primary ally, Israel.

It also doesn't help that Obama has been actively running this revolution from the White House. They don't want to give the impression this is an American operation but it's getting harder and harder to hide the fact. Guess it just depends on what people are willing to believe.

What's the difference between the kind of government takeover and regime-building Bush did in Iraq and Obama is doing in Egypt?

Why is Egypt of more strategic importance then Iraq is?

We've got some serious idiots currently running our government and we're powerless to stop them from screwing the pooch. What they're doing today will effect our lives for decades to come. I could mean the deaths of thousands of Israelis.

Obama didn't bomb the hell out of Egypt, lie to the American people and stand idly by as a million Christians were murdered or chased out of their homeland.

And you have the nerve to ask, "What's the difference"?

Ask the more than 40 thousand maimed Americans who made it out of Iraq. They'll tell you.

I guess sneaking around undermining Mubarak, overseeing the death of at least 280 Egyptians so far, and eventually causing chaos and death in the entire region is better. We have to worry about the 10th largest Army in the world falling into the hands of radical Muslims. All of the arms and training for decades going over to our enemies. The millions of dead that this bullshit will result in.

But Iraq is not a threat, Egypt is. Oh, and FYI, Obama has stood idle while thousands of Christians have been murdered in Iraq since he became President. Must I post all of the links to the attacks? No. You wouldn't read them anyway.

Nope, that's not as bad as bombing the shit out of them and controlling the situation on the ground. (Sarcasm intended)

 

[rdean]

Let's face it. They hate us. No election in any Middle Eastern country is going to put in place a government that is friendly to our country or our primary ally, Israel.

It also doesn't help that Obama has been actively running this revolution from the White House. They don't want to give the impression this is an American operation but it's getting harder and harder to hide the fact. Guess it just depends on what people are willing to believe.

What's the difference between the kind of government takeover and regime-building Bush did in Iraq and Obama is doing in Egypt?

Why is Egypt of more strategic importance then Iraq is?

We've got some serious idiots currently running our government and we're powerless to stop them from screwing the pooch. What they're doing today will effect our lives for decades to come. I could mean the deaths of thousands of Israelis.

Obama didn't bomb the hell out of Egypt, lie to the American people and stand idly by as a million Christians were murdered or chased out of their homeland.

And you have the nerve to ask, "What's the difference"?

Ask the more than 40 thousand maimed Americans who made it out of Iraq. They'll tell you.

I guess sneaking around undermining Mubarak, overseeing the death of at least 280 Egyptians so far, and eventually causing chaos and death in the entire region is better. We have to worry about the 10th largest Army in the world falling into the hands of radical Muslims. All of the arms and training for decades going over to our enemies. The millions of dead that this bullshit will result in.

But Iraq is not a threat, Egypt is. Oh, and FYI, Obama has stood idle while thousands of Christians have been murdered in Iraq since he became President. Must I post all of the links to the attacks? No. You wouldn't read them anyway.

Nope, that's not as bad as bombing the shit out of them and controlling the situation on the ground. (Sarcasm intended)

What exactly is Obama going to do in Iraq? The Republicans already put an extreme right wing Islamic theocracy in place. Should Obama bomb the hell out of Iraq a second time? And then what?

Some messes can't be fixed.

Nice to see you support a dictator in Egypt. Not sure why it's Obama's fault, but if you say so.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Who runs Egypt is not our decision

 

[uptownlivin90]

Let's face it. They hate us. No election in any Middle Eastern country is going to put in place a government that is friendly to our country or our primary ally, Israel.

We supported democracy in Iran.

Remember McCain telling Obama that he needs to do more to support the Iranian uprising last year?

THEN Obama wanted to stay out of it and let the situation play-out without US interference. NOW he's pushing Mubarak out with both feet. Neither side in this nation knows what it wants when it comes to democracy in the Middle East, so why not leave it alone and let the Middle East be the Middle East.

It also doesn't help that Obama has been actively running this revolution from the White House. They don't want to give the impression this is an American operation but it's getting harder and harder to hide the fact. Guess it just depends on what people are willing to believe.

What's the difference between the kind of government takeover and regime-building Bush did in Iraq and Obama is doing in Egypt?

Are you asking what is the difference between Bush's policy on Iraq and Obama's policy on Egypt? Seriously? If you were to ask what the difference between Obama and Bush's policy on Iraq, I'd say barely anything.

But come on. We are not nation building in Egypt. We are not occupying Egypt. We don't have a right to stop people from ousting their own President. That's their business.

We've got some serious idiots currently running our government and we're powerless to stop them from screwing the pooch. What they're doing today will effect our lives for decades to come. It could mean the deaths of thousands of Israelis.

Seriously we don't have a CLUE who will be running Egypt over the next few years and you already are declaring the death of Israel and blaming it on Obama. That's fucking rediculous. Mubarak can clamp down power now, but what good will it do to have angered the protestors even more? I would love to see a stable Egypt, but I sympathize greatly with those who just can't sit under Mubarak's dictatorship anymore. Americans wouldn't take a 30 year dictatorship or a three year dictatorship, or a two day dictatorship. So why should Egyptians?

 

[uptownlivin90]

Who runs Egypt is not our decision

Exactly.

 

[Old Rocks]

Let's face it. They hate us. No election in any Middle Eastern country is going to put in place a government that is friendly to our country or our primary ally, Israel.

It also doesn't help that Obama has been actively running this revolution from the White House. They don't want to give the impression this is an American operation but it's getting harder and harder to hide the fact. Guess it just depends on what people are willing to believe.

What's the difference between the kind of government takeover and regime-building Bush did in Iraq and Obama is doing in Egypt?

Why is Egypt of more strategic importance then Iraq is?

We've got some serious idiots currently running our government and we're powerless to stop them from screwing the pooch. What they're doing today will effect our lives for decades to come. I could mean the deaths of thousands of Israelis.

Obama didn't bomb the hell out of Egypt, lie to the American people and stand idly by as a million Christians were murdered or chased out of their homeland.

And you have the nerve to ask, "What's the difference"?

Ask the more than 40 thousand maimed Americans who made it out of Iraq. They'll tell you.

I guess sneaking around undermining Mubarak, overseeing the death of at least 280 Egyptians so far, and eventually causing chaos and death in the entire region is better. We have to worry about the 10th largest Army in the world falling into the hands of radical Muslims. All of the arms and training for decades going over to our enemies. The millions of dead that this bullshit will result in.

But Iraq is not a threat, Egypt is. Oh, and FYI, Obama has stood idle while thousands of Christians have been murdered in Iraq since he became President. Must I post all of the links to the attacks? No. You wouldn't read them anyway.

Nope, that's not as bad as bombing the shit out of them and controlling the situation on the ground. (Sarcasm intended)

You dumb ass. Mubarak undermined Mubarak. This is the logical outcome for a dictator. Just because he is our SOB doesn't make him any less of an SOB.

As for the rest of you ass licking of dictators, we see where your politics lie.

 

[gekaap]

and stand idly by as a million Christians were murdered or chased out of their homeland.

Why are Christians so special that we should care about them especially?

 

[Flopper]

Let's face it. They hate us. No election in any Middle Eastern country is going to put in place a government that is friendly to our country or our primary ally, Israel.

It also doesn't help that Obama has been actively running this revolution from the White House. They don't want to give the impression this is an American operation but it's getting harder and harder to hide the fact. Guess it just depends on what people are willing to believe.

What's the difference between the kind of government takeover and regime-building Bush did in Iraq and Obama is doing in Egypt?

Why is Egypt of more strategic importance then Iraq is?

We've got some serious idiots currently running our government and we're powerless to stop them from screwing the pooch. What they're doing today will effect our lives for decades to come. I could mean the deaths of thousands of Israelis.

Obama didn't bomb the hell out of Egypt, lie to the American people and stand idly by as a million Christians were murdered or chased out of their homeland.

And you have the nerve to ask, "What's the difference"?

Ask the more than 40 thousand maimed Americans who made it out of Iraq. They'll tell you.

I guess sneaking around undermining Mubarak, overseeing the death of at least 280 Egyptians so far, and eventually causing chaos and death in the entire region is better. We have to worry about the 10th largest Army in the world falling into the hands of radical Muslims. All of the arms and training for decades going over to our enemies. The millions of dead that this bullshit will result in.

But Iraq is not a threat, Egypt is. Oh, and FYI, Obama has stood idle while thousands of Christians have been murdered in Iraq since he became President. Must I post all of the links to the attacks? No. You wouldn't read them anyway.

Nope, that's not as bad as bombing the shit out of them and controlling the situation on the ground. (Sarcasm intended)

It seems like anytime we stick our nose where it doesn't belong, which is certainly the case here, we get it bloodied.

 

[mudwhistle]

Obama didn't bomb the hell out of Egypt, lie to the American people and stand idly by as a million Christians were murdered or chased out of their homeland.

And you have the nerve to ask, "What's the difference"?

Ask the more than 40 thousand maimed Americans who made it out of Iraq. They'll tell you.

I guess sneaking around undermining Mubarak, overseeing the death of at least 280 Egyptians so far, and eventually causing chaos and death in the entire region is better. We have to worry about the 10th largest Army in the world falling into the hands of radical Muslims. All of the arms and training for decades going over to our enemies. The millions of dead that this bullshit will result in.

But Iraq is not a threat, Egypt is. Oh, and FYI, Obama has stood idle while thousands of Christians have been murdered in Iraq since he became President. Must I post all of the links to the attacks? No. You wouldn't read them anyway.

Nope, that's not as bad as bombing the shit out of them and controlling the situation on the ground. (Sarcasm intended)

What exactly is Obama going to do in Iraq? The Republicans already put an extreme right wing Islamic theocracy in place. Should Obama bomb the hell out of Iraq a second time? And then what?

Some messes can't be fixed.

Nice to see you support a dictator in Egypt. Not sure why it's Obama's fault, but if you say so.

I'm gonna go with what I can prove so far.

Mubarak gave a speech yesterday saying that he was willing to listen to the youth of Egypt, but not some foreign power telling him what to do. He meant those assholes in the White House telling him repeatedly to leave "Now".

So in effect, Obama's big mouth assured that a foreign president with a huge amount of personal pride would refuse to leave office, which most likely will result in even more violence today. The amateurish manner in which they've handled this matter is glaring. Everyone in the world is watching. What we get from Obama is nice sounding useless speeches and ham-bone stupidity in almost every facet of their administration. He is quickly losing any respect we had in the world that was left. Nobody trusts the United States of America anymore.

I don't support a dictator because he's a dictator, but I'd support him over a bunch of Muslim radicals bent on erasing the peace treaty that has been in effect between Israel and Egypt for over 30 years. I'd rather have peace then all out war.

What part of that don't you understand???

 

[mudwhistle]

and stand idly by as a million Christians were murdered or chased out of their homeland.

Why are Christians so special that we should care about them especially?

Why should we care about any religious or ethnic group for that matter?

It's pretty clear what makes you tick.

You're a bigot. Back in the 50s racism was popular. Now hatred toward Christians is very popular and you're just in it because you think you can get away with it.

You're despicable.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Let's face it. They hate us. No election in any Middle Eastern country is going to put in place a government that is friendly to our country or our primary ally, Israel.

It also doesn't help that Obama has been actively running this revolution from the White House. They don't want to give the impression this is an American operation but it's getting harder and harder to hide the fact. Guess it just depends on what people are willing to believe.

.....And, which nut-job is leading-you-around, by the nose.....


​

 

[mudwhistle]

Who runs Egypt is not our decision

Yeah, that's the spineless tact we took when the same thing happened in Gaza, Tunisia, Lebanon, and Iran.

How many are dead because of it?????

 

[mudwhistle]

Let's face it. They hate us. No election in any Middle Eastern country is going to put in place a government that is friendly to our country or our primary ally, Israel.

We supported democracy in Iran.

Remember McCain telling Obama that he needs to do more to support the Iranian uprising last year?

THEN Obama wanted to stay out of it and let the situation play-out without US interference. NOW he's pushing Mubarak out with both feet. Neither side in this nation knows what it wants when it comes to democracy in the Middle East, so why not leave it alone and let the Middle East be the Middle East.

It also doesn't help that Obama has been actively running this revolution from the White House. They don't want to give the impression this is an American operation but it's getting harder and harder to hide the fact. Guess it just depends on what people are willing to believe.

What's the difference between the kind of government takeover and regime-building Bush did in Iraq and Obama is doing in Egypt?

Are you asking what is the difference between Bush's policy on Iraq and Obama's policy on Egypt? Seriously? If you were to ask what the difference between Obama and Bush's policy on Iraq, I'd say barely anything.

But come on. We are not nation building in Egypt. We are not occupying Egypt. We don't have a right to stop people from ousting their own President. That's their business.

We've got some serious idiots currently running our government and we're powerless to stop them from screwing the pooch. What they're doing today will effect our lives for decades to come. It could mean the deaths of thousands of Israelis.

Seriously we don't have a CLUE who will be running Egypt over the next few years and you already are declaring the death of Israel and blaming it on Obama. That's fucking rediculous. Mubarak can clamp down power now, but what good will it do to have angered the protestors even more? I would love to see a stable Egypt, but I sympathize greatly with those who just can't sit under Mubarak's dictatorship anymore. Americans wouldn't take a 30 year dictatorship or a three year dictatorship, or a two day dictatorship. So why should Egyptians?

Mubarak blamed it on Obama.

Did you even know up until 20 days ago that Egypt was such a mess??? Did you know who the Muslim Brotherhood was before then???

Aren't you uncomfortable with our president being so friendly with the Muslim Brotherhood??? Isn't it a problem to you that Obama has taken such an active role in the Egyptian revolution?????

Don't you question anything??????

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Let's face it. They hate us. No election in any Middle Eastern country is going to put in place a government that is friendly to our country or our primary ally, Israel.

It also doesn't help that Obama has been actively running this revolution from the White House. They don't want to give the impression this is an American operation but it's getting harder and harder to hide the fact. Guess it just depends on what people are willing to believe.

What's the difference between the kind of government takeover and regime-building Bush did in Iraq and Obama is doing in Egypt?

Why is Egypt of more strategic importance then Iraq is?

We've got some serious idiots currently running our government and we're powerless to stop them from screwing the pooch. What they're doing today will effect our lives for decades to come. It could mean the deaths of thousands of Israelis.

For years we have proclaimed that we support democracy throughout the world. But what if those new democracies oppose the US? It has always been assumed that any country with a democratic government would be friendly with US. We may just have to change our propaganda.

....And, any Country, that would be friendly with U.S., would (almost) have to be a democracy, right??

Yeah.....long-term....that surely could save us a few (national-security) buck$.....​

January 26, 1999​

"One grieving villager uncovered the headless corpse of his 65-year-old brother. "Jesus Christ," exclaimed a distressed U.S. diplomat as he picked his way past blood-soaked massacre victims in Racak, a tiny village 18 miles southwest of Kosovo's capital of Pristina.

"At least let's give him the dignity of covering him up," said the diplomat, U.S. Ambassador William Walker. Beyond shock, the bespectacled diplomat, with thinning red hair and a wispy moustache, barely could contain his fury.

"I see bodies like this with their faces blown away at close range in execution fashion and it's obvious people with no value for human life have done this," Walker told journalists. "Unfortunately, I do not have the words to describe my personal revulsion at the site of what can only be described as an unspeakable atrocity."

Yet, as genuine as Walker's outrage appeared to be, there was a dark irony about his personal role in demanding that Serb authorities be held accountable for civilian massacres. During the 1980s, Walker was a key figure working with U.S.-backed military operations in three countries of Central America: Honduras, Nicaragua and El Salvador."

Irony at Racak​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Let's face it. They hate us. No election in any Middle Eastern country is going to put in place a government that is friendly to our country or our primary ally, Israel.

It also doesn't help that Obama has been actively running this revolution from the White House. They don't want to give the impression this is an American operation but it's getting harder and harder to hide the fact. Guess it just depends on what people are willing to believe.

What's the difference between the kind of government takeover and regime-building Bush did in Iraq and Obama is doing in Egypt?

Why is Egypt of more strategic importance then Iraq is?

We've got some serious idiots currently running our government and we're powerless to stop them from screwing the pooch. What they're doing today will effect our lives for decades to come. I could mean the deaths of thousands of Israelis.

Obama didn't bomb the hell out of Egypt, lie to the American people and stand idly by as a million Christians were murdered or chased out of their homeland.

And you have the nerve to ask, "What's the difference"?

Ask the more than 40 thousand maimed Americans who made it out of Iraq. They'll tell you.

But Iraq is not a threat, Egypt is. Oh, and FYI, Obama has stood idle while thousands of Christians have been murdered in Iraq since he became President. Must I post all of the links to the attacks? No. You wouldn't read them anyway.

Yeah.....you wouldn't want to get too specific about our history with Iraq, right, Mudd-Butt??

U.S. and British Support for Hussein Regime​

 

[FA_Q2]

Let's face it. They hate us. No election in any Middle Eastern country is going to put in place a government that is friendly to our country or our primary ally, Israel.

It also doesn't help that Obama has been actively running this revolution from the White House. They don't want to give the impression this is an American operation but it's getting harder and harder to hide the fact. Guess it just depends on what people are willing to believe.

What's the difference between the kind of government takeover and regime-building Bush did in Iraq and Obama is doing in Egypt?

Why is Egypt of more strategic importance then Iraq is?

We've got some serious idiots currently running our government and we're powerless to stop them from screwing the pooch. What they're doing today will effect our lives for decades to come. It could mean the deaths of thousands of Israelis.

Really mud? This is sad. We have no right whatsoever to enslave a people. We have no right to enforce a government that we do not agree with on a people that are disposing of it. We are not an empire and we should not strive for that position. While we have great influence around the world with governments there is absolutely zero reason that I can think of that would ever give us the right to go in a stop an uprising of the PEOPLE to dispose of their government. This is a right that I believe you hold dear for Americans. Why do the Egyptians not have this right and why are you so willing to take it away from them? You do not have a crystal ball either and do not know what the final makeup of this new government is going to be. I noticed that you never mentioned the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood is no more than 20% of the people. It is highly unlikely that they can wield enough political power to bring about an anti Israeli government into power. Whatever government comes to power, we still have the ability to deal with them as before, just less influence.

It is telling how you could criticize Obama for Iran and do the same in one breath of his treatment of Egypt.

 

[Intense]

I guess sneaking around undermining Mubarak, overseeing the death of at least 280 Egyptians so far, and eventually causing chaos and death in the entire region is better. We have to worry about the 10th largest Army in the world falling into the hands of radical Muslims. All of the arms and training for decades going over to our enemies. The millions of dead that this bullshit will result in.

But Iraq is not a threat, Egypt is. Oh, and FYI, Obama has stood idle while thousands of Christians have been murdered in Iraq since he became President. Must I post all of the links to the attacks? No. You wouldn't read them anyway.

Nope, that's not as bad as bombing the shit out of them and controlling the situation on the ground. (Sarcasm intended)

What exactly is Obama going to do in Iraq? The Republicans already put an extreme right wing Islamic theocracy in place. Should Obama bomb the hell out of Iraq a second time? And then what?

Some messes can't be fixed.

Nice to see you support a dictator in Egypt. Not sure why it's Obama's fault, but if you say so.

I'm gonna go with what I can prove so far.

Mubarak gave a speech yesterday saying that he was willing to listen to the youth of Egypt, but not some foreign power telling him what to do. He meant those assholes in the White House telling him repeatedly to leave "Now".

So in effect, Obama's big mouth assured that a foreign president with a huge amount of personal pride would refuse to leave office, which most likely will result in even more violence today. The amateurish manner in which they've handled this matter is glaring. Everyone in the world is watching. What we get from Obama is nice sounding useless speeches and ham-bone stupidity in almost every facet of their administration. He is quickly losing any respect we had in the world that was left. Nobody trusts the United States of America anymore.

I don't support a dictator because he's a dictator, but I'd support him over a bunch of Muslim radicals bent on erasing the peace treaty that has been in effect between Israel and Egypt for over 30 years. I'd rather have peace then all out war.

What part of that don't you understand???

Our Administration is interfering with an Internal Problem in Egypt in a way that will most likely bring mass slaughter, and end in more Totalitarian Government sponsored by the Muslim Brotherhood. Assholes on this board that want to justify Incitement to Riot and Anarchy, claiming it is Democracy, all the time leading the people to slaughter is a disgrace. You are interfering with a process that is already bringing change. What is your trip??? It is not fast enough? Why are you leading, rather than supporting? Why are you Exciting, rather than encouraging pause and reason? Is this the path Thoreau, Martin Luther King, or Gandhi would have chosen??? Egypt is being played, to what end??? What is not Totalitarian about the Muslim Brotherhood??? You could not be more wrong in what you do.