Demcrats, killing school vouchers, looting Food Stamps, soooo care for poor

[Quantum Windbag]

it said it was cut FOR D.C., did the article say it was cut for all of the usa too?

D.C. is the biggest drawing pork barrel state or district....it gets more federal taxes spent on them per person than any state in the union vs what they pay in income taxes....at some point, enough is enough, no?

It also has the program I was talking about, the only federal program of public school vouchers. The Republicans were using the success of that program to argue for more funding for vouchers across the board, and Obama is doing everything in his power to kill the idea. What exactly is your beef with my post?

Something most people forget in their discussions about DC is that it solely exists as the seat of the federal government. Residents of DC do not pay state taxes, so no state funds are available to pay for things that the rest of the country takes for granted. Of course they get more federal money back than they pay in, how else can the city exist?

 

[Ravi]

Most kids couldn't get into private schools, voucher or not. Vouchers cover only a portion of tuition and private schools are very choosy about who they accept.

Much better to spend the money improving the public school system.

If you actually care abut the education of America's children, that is.

 

[psikeyhackr]

$300 netbooks are more powerful than the IBM 3033 mainframe that cost $3,000,000 in 1980.

When are parents going to start sharing information about using computers to educate kids and stop being dependent on the nitwits running the educational systems that are under the thumbs of the politicians?

A. E. Van Vogt and General Semantics

The Project Gutenberg eBook of The Brain, by Alexander Blade.

psik

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Voucher programs seriously hurt the poor.
Private schools and public schools that are good have little or no openings. And the small openings they do have with private schools are too expensive for a middle income parent to afford. How does a $5K voucher help a middle income, much less a poor, family send a kid to a private school that costs 12K a year to attend? How does a public school voucher for full price help a middle income kid get to a good school of their "choice" if that school is 40 miles away?

School vouchers will force schools to have to compete for students making them better institutions.

The rich can afford alternative schools for their children. Why shouldn't the poor be given an equal opportunity?

 

[jeffrockit]

voucher programs are intended to suck the money out of public schools, starve them til you can drown them in the bathtub, so to speak. the plan is then to fund parochial school education and destroy secular thought and really make sure we can't compete in the world.

it has NOTHING to do with giving the poor anything. but keep on lying.

And we all know that public schools help everyone.

The funny thing about all of this is that Obama promised he would try anything to see if it worked, yet the first thing he did when he got in office was move to cut funding for the single most popular, and effective, voucher program in the country. He has since worked steadily to cut all funding for voucher programs despite the success rate they have demonstrated. He does all of this because, like you, he believes these programs suck funding from public schools, which don't work no matter how much money we spend on them.

i love people who start with the 'public schools don't work' trash. some do. some don't. increase funding to programs like head start. teach at risk parents how to work with their children from the time they're little. those thigns do work. and nyc in particular has had incredible success with its public schools.

your arguments are an excuse to get government-funded parochial schools.

thanks but no thanks.

Govt continues to throw money at the education system without any positive results.
"Historical trends show that American spending on public education is at an all-time high. Between 1994 and 2004, average per-pupil expenditures in American public schools have increased by 23.5 percent (adjusted for inflation). Between 1984 and 2004, real expenditures per pupil increased by 49 percent."

"High school graduation rates provide another historical barometer of American educational performance. According to the National Center for Education Statistics, the average freshman graduation rate for American public schools has remained relatively flat over time. In 1990-1991, the average graduation rate was 73.7 percent. By 2004-2005, the rate had increased modestly to 74.7.[13] However, the most recent estimate for the 2005-2006 school year shows that the national freshman graduation rate has dipped to 73.4 percent."
Does Spending More on Education Improve Academic Achievement? | The Heritage Foundation

The teachers unions and the almost inability to fire bad teachers has much to do with unsuccessful govt. schools. For example; In Los Angeles, the state spent 3.5 million dollars to attempt to fire 7 teachers. In the end, because of the unions, only 3 were fired.
Los Angeles
Does this seem like a useful way to spend that money? Why is a teachers job so protected?

 

[AllieBaba]

Voucher programs seriously hurt the poor.
Private schools and public schools that are good have little or no openings. And the small openings they do have with private schools are too expensive for a middle income parent to afford. How does a $5K voucher help a middle income, much less a poor, family send a kid to a private school that costs 12K a year to attend? How does a public school voucher for full price help a middle income kid get to a good school of their "choice" if that school is 40 miles away?

Per usual, you're full of shit.

That's right, it's better for the stupid poor people to send their children where they're TOLD to, instead of being given a choice.

What utter fascist spew.

 

[AllieBaba]

Obama is trying to channel American students into particular public institutions. Right now what's on the table is cutting federal grants for for-profit (read online) schools.

Online education is the wave of the future, and makes it possible for people who do have young children, who can't afford to move to a university town, who do work full time, to further their education. And he wants to stop it in its tracks.

It makes me sick to my stomach.

Meanwhile, I'm getting calls daily from confused clients who don't understand why their kids no longer have dental and vision coverage through their OHP, and don't understand why the state funded medical won't cover school physicals anymore.

Next - raping the food stamp program to provide money to bail out the fucking unions.

What scumbags.

 

[AllieBaba]

The left is all about eliminating choice, and they're doing a great job of it.

 

[Greenbeard]

Meanwhile, I'm getting calls daily from confused clients who don't understand why their kids no longer have dental and vision coverage through their OHP, and don't understand why the state funded medical won't cover school physicals anymore.

Next - raping the food stamp program to provide money to bail out the fucking unions.

Actually, the bill that food stamp benefits will be reduced in 2014 to fund is primarily aimed at supporting state Medicaid programs.

The Oregon Health Plan will be getting about $156 million from it to keep their services going. Good news, right?

 

[Care4all]

Voucher programs seriously hurt the poor.
Private schools and public schools that are good have little or no openings. And the small openings they do have with private schools are too expensive for a middle income parent to afford. How does a $5K voucher help a middle income, much less a poor, family send a kid to a private school that costs 12K a year to attend? How does a public school voucher for full price help a middle income kid get to a good school of their "choice" if that school is 40 miles away?

School vouchers will force schools to have to compete for students making them better institutions...

How?

also, you are having the government manipulate the free market, by funding private schools with tax payer's money....?

Do you agree with doing this for Health care?

If the Private schools were so much better of a deal in the market place, would not their enrollment have increased on its own, without the government welfare....

and would not the cost of schooling in the private sector have gone down in price with the expansion of these businesses (private schools)...because more demand and profitability increases allows for expansion, and with expansion of the private sector schools, the price inevitably would go down with all the competition?

the gvt is giving a gift horse to the private schools just as the insurance industry is being given a gift horse with the new health care bill imo and both could be considered government manipulation, using our tax dollars, no?

care

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Meanwhile, I'm getting calls daily from confused clients who don't understand why their kids no longer have dental and vision coverage through their OHP, and don't understand why the state funded medical won't cover school physicals anymore.

Next - raping the food stamp program to provide money to bail out the fucking unions.

Actually, the bill that food stamp benefits will be reduced in 2014 to fund is primarily aimed at supporting state Medicaid programs.

The Oregon Health Plan will be getting about $156 million from it to keep their services going. Good news, right?

Let people starve, but give them medical care.

Which do you honestly think they need more, food or a doctor?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Voucher programs seriously hurt the poor.
Private schools and public schools that are good have little or no openings. And the small openings they do have with private schools are too expensive for a middle income parent to afford. How does a $5K voucher help a middle income, much less a poor, family send a kid to a private school that costs 12K a year to attend? How does a public school voucher for full price help a middle income kid get to a good school of their "choice" if that school is 40 miles away?

School vouchers will force schools to have to compete for students making them better institutions...

How?

also, you are having the government manipulate the free market, by funding private schools with tax payer's money....?

Do you agree with doing this for Health care?

If the Private schools were so much better of a deal in the market place, would not their enrollment have increased on its own, without the government welfare....

and would not the cost of schooling in the private sector have gone down in price with the expansion of these businesses (private schools)...because more demand and profitability increases allows for expansion, and with expansion of the private sector schools, the price inevitably would go down with all the competition?

the gvt is giving a gift horse to the private schools just as the insurance industry is being given a gift horse with the new health care bill imo and both could be considered government manipulation, using our tax dollars, no?

care

If they were not better do you really think Obama would send his daughters to that private school he does? Which is why their enrollment has steadily increased. What vouchers do is allow parents to take the money that they paid into the public schools they do not want to use and use it for the school they want to use. Quite often vouchers allow the parents to send their children to a different public school.

Does this hurt some schools? Undoubtedly, but not every school deserves to survive just because someone built it.

 

[Greenbeard]

Let people starve, but give them medical care.

Which do you honestly think they need more, food or a doctor?

The reductions in SNAP benefits don't take effect until April 2014, leaving plenty of time to find an offset elsewhere that will allow the cuts to be reversed. If you actually care (and I have no reason to doubt your sincerity), write your Congressman asking that the SNAP funding be increased.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Let people starve, but give them medical care.

Which do you honestly think they need more, food or a doctor?

The reductions in SNAP benefits don't take effect until April 2014, leaving plenty of time to find an offset elsewhere that will allow the cuts to be reversed. If you actually care (and I have no reason to doubt your sincerity), write your Congressman asking that the SNAP funding be increased.

Why raid SNAP in the first place? If this is that important why don't they actually work to find the funds now instead of pulling them out of future programs? Especially when they know that the cuts will never actually take place?

The way Congress does business needs to change. You cannot borrow money from the future to pay for stuff now.