Dem Debate Tonight... Easy Question Fumbled

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  1. William Joyce
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    Wolf Blitzer went 'round and asked the easiest question imaginable: do you support driver licenses for illegals?

    Only Clinton, Biden and Dodd actually said no. Obama, Edwards and the rest say YES.

    Huh? They just declared themselves to NOT be running for president.

    Other notes:

    * Dennis Kucinich is a freak, but principled enough. I could have strangled him for saying to questioner "Mr. Khan" "you are owed an apology" for "ethnic profiling." For God's sake... owed an apology? I was hoping some candidate would have the guts to say, "Too damn bad."

    * Hillary was under control and handled the questions about being a woman very well. I think a lot of women will vote for her just for the thrill of voting for a woman. I think that might actually overcome Hillary-hatred in some places. But it's plain she's had a LOT of facework done.

    * I don't see how John Edwards gave anyone a reason to vote for him instead of Hillary or Obama, if D is your deal.

    * Biden and Dodd are competent and presidential, but I guess they don't have very energetic campaigns. They're like Bob Dole... guys running for president because they've been in the Senate for a while.

    * Bill Richardson plan for illegal immigrants: eat two of them every day.

    Prediction: Hillary gets the nomination and she wins the Presidency.
     
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    It's not a fumble if it is honest.
     
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    OK, then. "Gave the wrong answer."
     
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    why would you issue a license to some that has comitted a federal crime.....and is a fugitive?
     
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    I am not saying that I would (or that I wouldn't). I just don't think it is a fumble to answer honestly.
     
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    I thought some of the justifications for it were good ones, including the fact that people who are already driving would be able to purchase insurance.

    I suspect hard-line answers either way aren't the right answers in terms of immigration issues. So, perhaps, it's time to start looking at pragmatic answers?
     
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    Completely wrong. Licenses imply legal status AND in the future WILL in fact serve that purpose. Deport illegal aliens do not reward them. Do not make it easier to hide among the legal residents of this country.
     
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    Licenses allow them to be insured. Given that they're driving anyway, closing one's eyes to it doesn't make sense.

    I understand your postion. And, unlike the hard-liners, I don't pretend to know what the right answer is. But the answers need to arrived at through common sense.
     
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    Obviously there will be differences over what counts as "pragmatic" and unrealistic. A current line, accepted even by a lot of Hannity-type conservatives, is that deportation is unrealistic.

    It isn't.

    Mild efforts at it send out a broadcast message, and illegals actually start to self-deport. And stop coming. There have been stories about this.

    This is what I would do: first, make a MASSIVE effort to deport illegal aliens with the worst criminal records. If they sneak back in, execute them. Seriously. You'd probably only have to execute a dozen, and they would get the message. Then start working your way down in terms of criminality.

    This way, the neocons couldn't bitch that you were "hurting the economy" because obviously, child-rapist illegals are not working hard in the field.

    I can't imagine who could be against such measures.

    Oh, wait. Yes I can. Lawyers, for one.

    Anyway. Arguing for keeping ILLEGAL ALIENS who COMMIT SERIOUS CRIMES in the country is a tough argument to make. But then, given the responses at the Democratic debate, maybe some can manage.
     
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    who was arguing about illegals who commit serious crimes?

    Deport their butts.

    What I don't subscribe to is the white supremacist bs that you spew which intends nothing more than to rail against the possibility that dark folk will outnumber you. That's the beginning...middle and end of your agenda.

    why the hatred for lawyers? aren't you supposed to be one?
     

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