Delayed Service for athletes...

[Winco]

If given the chance to play Pro Ball, let them do it.

They still have to go back and fill their military commitment.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

President tells Army-Navy players that service can be deferred until after pro careers

On Saturday, the current Commander-in-Chief touted while attending the annual Army-Navy game a shift in policy that permits athletes at the service academies to delay their service.
President Trump told the players that they now have the chance “to make a fortune, and after you’re all finished with your professional career, you’ll go and you’ll serve and everybody’s thrilled.”

What do you all think...good policy or not?

Maybe we can get something other than the normal split on this one...

I say it is bad policy for two reasons...

First, it says that making your fortune is more important than serving your country and full fulling your commitment to the country.

Second, what if their career last 20 years and they are 40 plus when they enter active duty? What if they are injured and no long qualify to be on active duty?

I think this just sends a bad message.

Here's the message the other way sends.

"You better not even THINK about the pros, bitch. We own that ass."

Player: "Fuck that shit. I'm going to Clemson."

.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

President tells Army-Navy players that service can be deferred until after pro careers

On Saturday, the current Commander-in-Chief touted while attending the annual Army-Navy game a shift in policy that permits athletes at the service academies to delay their service.
President Trump told the players that they now have the chance “to make a fortune, and after you’re all finished with your professional career, you’ll go and you’ll serve and everybody’s thrilled.”

What do you all think...good policy or not?

Maybe we can get something other than the normal split on this one...

I say it is bad policy for two reasons...

First, it says that making your fortune is more important than serving your country and full fulling your commitment to the country.

Second, what if their career last 20 years and they are 40 plus when they enter active duty? What if they are injured and no long qualify to be on active duty?

I think this just sends a bad message.

Here's the message the other way sends.

"You better not even THINK about the pros, bitch. We own that ass."

Player: "Fuck that shit. I'm going to Clemson."

.

And that is fine. It is not really that important for the academies to win football games.

I worked in the Officer Selection Office for a while on recruiting duty, and going into the Marines as an officer you have no job guarantee, we only wanted officer who want to be a Marine Officer more than they want to be anything else.

I think the same should hold true for those we are putting through our military academies.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Here's the message the other way sends.

"You better not even THINK about the pros, bitch. We own that ass."

Player: "Fuck that shit. I'm going to Clemson."

But that is has always been the state of affairs. So your post makes no sense.

 

[rightwinger]

President tells Army-Navy players that service can be deferred until after pro careers

On Saturday, the current Commander-in-Chief touted while attending the annual Army-Navy game a shift in policy that permits athletes at the service academies to delay their service.
President Trump told the players that they now have the chance “to make a fortune, and after you’re all finished with your professional career, you’ll go and you’ll serve and everybody’s thrilled.”

What do you all think...good policy or not?

Maybe we can get something other than the normal split on this one...

I say it is bad policy for two reasons...

First, it says that making your fortune is more important than serving your country and full fulling your commitment to the country.

Second, what if their career last 20 years and they are 40 plus when they enter active duty? What if they are injured and no long qualify to be on active duty?

I think this just sends a bad message.

Agree

I think it is insulting to our service members. It says sports and making money is more important than serving your country

What good is a 40 year old ensign or second lieutenant? They will make their money in sports and then claim a medical deferment from serving

 

[Osiris-ODS]

I don't see many people going into the service after racking up millions as a pro athlete.

Considering that most pro athletes declare bankruptcy within 5 years, it may be their best option to serve starting out with officer pay, with benefits and pay for life after 20 years. Not to mention that very few athletes from the service academies will get more than a cup of coffee and a pink slip in pro sports.

 

[rightwinger]

If given the chance to play Pro Ball, let them do it.

They still have to go back and fill their military commitment.

Why just athletes?

Why not allowing a talented musician or scientist?

 

[22lcidw]

President tells Army-Navy players that service can be deferred until after pro careers

On Saturday, the current Commander-in-Chief touted while attending the annual Army-Navy game a shift in policy that permits athletes at the service academies to delay their service.
President Trump told the players that they now have the chance “to make a fortune, and after you’re all finished with your professional career, you’ll go and you’ll serve and everybody’s thrilled.”

What do you all think...good policy or not?

Maybe we can get something other than the normal split on this one...

I say it is bad policy for two reasons...

First, it says that making your fortune is more important than serving your country and full fulling your commitment to the country.

Second, what if their career last 20 years and they are 40 plus when they enter active duty? What if they are injured and no long qualify to be on active duty?

I think this just sends a bad message.

Agree

I think it is insulting to our service members. It says sports and making money is more important than serving your country

What good is a 40 year old ensign or second lieutenant? They will make their money in sports and then claim a medical deferment from serving

Most likely any who did make it to the Pros and there will be very few, won't have long careers. If any do, they will be deferred out of any obligation. We are in a movement to pay college athletes. The military academies need some as it is a good marketing tool to get young people in as cadets. Their football teams are for marketing also in the new realities coming down the pike. They don't lose much in a few players playing in the Pros in that scenario. In fact they gain. As Yogurt said in the movie Spaceballs…."merchandising"!

 

[rightwinger]

Like it or not, scholarship athletes at Division I schools are recruited for their brawn, not their brains. Army and Navy would have to drop to Division II or III status if they preclude athletes from a chance to go pro. Maybe that's OK, but the brass wouldn't like it.

Service Academies are already Div 1 and they have a mandatory service requirement

Navy is ranked #23 in the nation in football

 

[rightwinger]

President tells Army-Navy players that service can be deferred until after pro careers

On Saturday, the current Commander-in-Chief touted while attending the annual Army-Navy game a shift in policy that permits athletes at the service academies to delay their service.
President Trump told the players that they now have the chance “to make a fortune, and after you’re all finished with your professional career, you’ll go and you’ll serve and everybody’s thrilled.”

What do you all think...good policy or not?

Maybe we can get something other than the normal split on this one...

I say it is bad policy for two reasons...

First, it says that making your fortune is more important than serving your country and full fulling your commitment to the country.

Second, what if their career last 20 years and they are 40 plus when they enter active duty? What if they are injured and no long qualify to be on active duty?

I think this just sends a bad message.

Agree

I think it is insulting to our service members. It says sports and making money is more important than serving your country

What good is a 40 year old ensign or second lieutenant? They will make their money in sports and then claim a medical deferment from serving

Most likely any who did make it to the Pros and there will be very few, won't have long careers. If any do, they will be deferred out of any obligation. We are in a movement to pay college athletes. The military academies need some as it is a good marketing tool to get young people in as cadets. Their football teams are for marketing also in the new realities coming down the pike. They don't lose much in a few players playing in the Pros in that scenario. In fact they gain. As Yogurt said in the movie Spaceballs…."merchandising"!

Sends a bad message....Making money is more important than serving your country.

Typical Trump

 

[Osiris-ODS]

Second, what if their career last 20 years and they are 40 plus when they enter active duty? What if they are injured and no long qualify to be on active duty?

Then that person would be among the top .01 percent of all professional athletes. The last 2 service academy athletes of that caliber were Roger Staubach and David Robinson. That's all of modern sports. I don't see this having any material effect. Besides, basketball players can leave after 1 or 2 years for the NBA and don't incur a service obligation under the existing standard. David Robinson considered doing this, but stayed at the Naval Academy anyway. He only had to serve 2 years because of his duty assignment at Kings Bay (cool nuclear sub base BTW). He was one of my favorite players growing up.

 

[Osiris-ODS]

Well no one is forced to serve in the military, so what is the meaning of this?

Academy grads have a 4 or 5 year commitment.

Not technically true. If they're commissioned into the reserves, they only have to serve 2 years active duty.

 

[Dragonlady]

President tells Army-Navy players that service can be deferred until after pro careers

On Saturday, the current Commander-in-Chief touted while attending the annual Army-Navy game a shift in policy that permits athletes at the service academies to delay their service.
President Trump told the players that they now have the chance “to make a fortune, and after you’re all finished with your professional career, you’ll go and you’ll serve and everybody’s thrilled.”

What do you all think...good policy or not?

Maybe we can get something other than the normal split on this one...

I say it is bad policy for two reasons...

First, it says that making your fortune is more important than serving your country and full fulling your commitment to the country.

Second, what if their career last 20 years and they are 40 plus when they enter active duty? What if they are injured and no long qualify to be on active duty?

I think this just sends a bad message.

Another point, Gator: By the time your pro career ends, you're likely married with young children. Not the best time to do your mandatory service either.

In reality, the best time to do your service is right after you graduate. All of that you learned in a military academy is current and fresh in your mind when you go to serve, so you're of the most use to the service. You're accustomed to the discipline and expectations of military life, and as you pointed out, you don't have any injuries which would prevent your service.

I just don't see ANYONE going into military service after a successful pro sports career. I don't see multi-millionaire athletes, with family obligations, doing 5 years as a military officer. These athletes will try to buy their way out of it.

Last but not least is the message it sends. When young men and women enrol in West Point or Annapolis, they are making a commitment to their country. Many are setting out on a lifelong path of public service. JFK said "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". West Point and Annapolis are the educational institutions which live that ethos. Trump is saying "Your promises to your country mean nothing. Get it while you can".

Just as JFK's words reveal the kind of man he was, so do Trump's.

That's odd! By the time I finished my Navy service obligation, I had been married for 5 years and had two children.

My daughter's Army service obligation is up next August, and she is unmarried with no children. It all depends on the individual.

Would you have started you service obligation with a wife and two children? My father-in-law left the Navy when his second child was born.

I did somewhat, with a wife and one on the way. I was married a year before I was commissioned and had a daughter two months afterward.

My third and last child was born three weeks before I left active duty ten years later.

Your father-iin-law leaving the Navy when his second child was born was his guarantee that he would be there for the conception of anymore children rather than just the birth. He wanted to make sure the children he was supporting were his!

There was no question that both of the boys were his. He left the Navy when his second child was born because it was just too much for his wife to be home alone with two small children. They moved from Halifax back to the London area where she was from, to be closer to their family, and he went to work for GM there.

My mother-in-law was a good who would never have cheated on her husband, and he knew that. Aside from which, both of his sons looked just like him.

 

[CWayne]

They signed a contract and agreed to a commitment to the US Armed Forces.

Unless they have an unusual hardship, their honor demands they fullfill their committment, regardless of the money the could possibly make going pro.

Who is to say they get drafted and suffer a career-ending injury in their first two or three years. Then they have no pro career and cannot return to the military with a handicap.

Bad policy and to my thinking, if these cadets or midshipmen renege on their oaths, then they are not fit to be officers and leaders in our Armed Forces.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

They signed a contract and agreed to a commitment to the US Armed Forces.

Unless they have an unusual hardship, their honor demands they fullfill their committment, regardless of the money the could possibly make going pro.

Who is to say they get drafted and suffer a career-ending injury in their first two or three years. Then they have no pro career and cannot return to the military with a handicap.

Bad policy and to my thinking, if these cadets or midshipmen renege on their oaths, then they are not fit to be officers and leaders in our Armed Forces.

Yep, it tells the world that making "their fortune" is more important than fulling filling their commitment and serving their country

Not a surprise this came from a man that pussed out of serving his country.

 

[bodecea]

President tells Army-Navy players that service can be deferred until after pro careers

On Saturday, the current Commander-in-Chief touted while attending the annual Army-Navy game a shift in policy that permits athletes at the service academies to delay their service.
President Trump told the players that they now have the chance “to make a fortune, and after you’re all finished with your professional career, you’ll go and you’ll serve and everybody’s thrilled.”

What do you all think...good policy or not?

Maybe we can get something other than the normal split on this one...

I say it is bad policy for two reasons...

First, it says that making your fortune is more important than serving your country and full fulling your commitment to the country.

Second, what if their career last 20 years and they are 40 plus when they enter active duty? What if they are injured and no long qualify to be on active duty?

I think this just sends a bad message.

One..... (thing he's done right)

 

[anynameyouwish]

What do you all think...good policy or not?

Its neither good or bad. It will not affect the life of any American other than the athletes. If its good for the athletes then its good.

it is BAD

it is CONSERVATIVE SOCIALISM!

and we all know that any amount of socialism ALWAYS LEADS TO COMMUNISM!

'Do you have to pay for West Point?
Being accepted for admission to the United States Military Academy (USMA) at West Point is an exceptional honor reserved for our nation's most promising students. ... Those who are selected to attend USMA receive a college education that is unparalleled in the world with tuition, room and board, and expenses fully paid.'


That's MY tax dollars.


I think athletes hoping to attend a military academy should just be told; you can join pro athletics AFTER you serve in the military.

and for ALL that money (my tax dollars) and ALL that FREE EDUCATION they should be required to serve at least 10 years.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

President tells Army-Navy players that service can be deferred until after pro careers

On Saturday, the current Commander-in-Chief touted while attending the annual Army-Navy game a shift in policy that permits athletes at the service academies to delay their service.
President Trump told the players that they now have the chance “to make a fortune, and after you’re all finished with your professional career, you’ll go and you’ll serve and everybody’s thrilled.”

What do you all think...good policy or not?

Maybe we can get something other than the normal split on this one...

I say it is bad policy for two reasons...

First, it says that making your fortune is more important than serving your country and full fulling your commitment to the country.

Second, what if their career last 20 years and they are 40 plus when they enter active duty? What if they are injured and no long qualify to be on active duty?

I think this just sends a bad message.

Another point, Gator: By the time your pro career ends, you're likely married with young children. Not the best time to do your mandatory service either.

In reality, the best time to do your service is right after you graduate. All of that you learned in a military academy is current and fresh in your mind when you go to serve, so you're of the most use to the service. You're accustomed to the discipline and expectations of military life, and as you pointed out, you don't have any injuries which would prevent your service.

I just don't see ANYONE going into military service after a successful pro sports career. I don't see multi-millionaire athletes, with family obligations, doing 5 years as a military officer. These athletes will try to buy their way out of it.

Last but not least is the message it sends. When young men and women enrol in West Point or Annapolis, they are making a commitment to their country. Many are setting out on a lifelong path of public service. JFK said "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". West Point and Annapolis are the educational institutions which live that ethos. Trump is saying "Your promises to your country mean nothing. Get it while you can".

Just as JFK's words reveal the kind of man he was, so do Trump's.

That's odd! By the time I finished my Navy service obligation, I had been married for 5 years and had two children.

My daughter's Army service obligation is up next August, and she is unmarried with no children. It all depends on the individual.

Would you have started you service obligation with a wife and two children? My father-in-law left the Navy when his second child was born.

I did somewhat, with a wife and one on the way. I was married a year before I was commissioned and had a daughter two months afterward.

My third and last child was born three weeks before I left active duty ten years later.

Your father-iin-law leaving the Navy when his second child was born was his guarantee that he would be there for the conception of anymore children rather than just the birth. He wanted to make sure the children he was supporting were his!

There was no question that both of the boys were his. He left the Navy when his second child was born because it was just too much for his wife to be home alone with two small children. They moved from Halifax back to the London area where she was from, to be closer to their family, and he went to work for GM there.

My mother-in-law was a good who would never have cheated on her husband, and he knew that. Aside from which, both of his sons looked just like him.

I was a joke, not a dick! Don't take it so hard!

 

[anynameyouwish]

President tells Army-Navy players that service can be deferred until after pro careers

On Saturday, the current Commander-in-Chief touted while attending the annual Army-Navy game a shift in policy that permits athletes at the service academies to delay their service.
President Trump told the players that they now have the chance “to make a fortune, and after you’re all finished with your professional career, you’ll go and you’ll serve and everybody’s thrilled.”

What do you all think...good policy or not?

Maybe we can get something other than the normal split on this one...

I say it is bad policy for two reasons...

First, it says that making your fortune is more important than serving your country and full fulling your commitment to the country.

Second, what if their career last 20 years and they are 40 plus when they enter active duty? What if they are injured and no long qualify to be on active duty?

I think this just sends a bad message.

Another point, Gator: By the time your pro career ends, you're likely married with young children. Not the best time to do your mandatory service either.

In reality, the best time to do your service is right after you graduate. All of that you learned in a military academy is current and fresh in your mind when you go to serve, so you're of the most use to the service. You're accustomed to the discipline and expectations of military life, and as you pointed out, you don't have any injuries which would prevent your service.

I just don't see ANYONE going into military service after a successful pro sports career. I don't see multi-millionaire athletes, with family obligations, doing 5 years as a military officer. These athletes will try to buy their way out of it.

Last but not least is the message it sends. When young men and women enrol in West Point or Annapolis, they are making a commitment to their country. Many are setting out on a lifelong path of public service. JFK said "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". West Point and Annapolis are the educational institutions which live that ethos. Trump is saying "Your promises to your country mean nothing. Get it while you can".

Just as JFK's words reveal the kind of man he was, so do Trump's.

That's odd! By the time I finished my Navy service obligation, I had been married for 5 years and had two children.

My daughter's Army service obligation is up next August, and she is unmarried with no children. It all depends on the individual.

Would you have started you service obligation with a wife and two children? My father-in-law left the Navy when his second child was born.

I did somewhat, with a wife and one on the way. I was married a year before I was commissioned and had a daughter two months afterward.

My third and last child was born three weeks before I left active duty ten years later.

Your father-iin-law leaving the Navy when his second child was born was his guarantee that he would be there for the conception of anymore children rather than just the birth. He wanted to make sure the children he was supporting were his!

"He wanted to make sure the children he was supporting were his!"

probably you are making a joke BUT

I lived near a navy base and there was this bar where the wives went to get picked up when the sailors were out to sea.....(not by me)


AND


there are MORE bordellos near military bases than ANYWHERE ELSE in the WHOLE UNIVERSE!


AND

prostitutes say that they look forward MORE to republican conventions (as opposed to democratic) because conservative republicans spend a lot more on whores!

 

[Harpy Eagle]

President tells Army-Navy players that service can be deferred until after pro careers

On Saturday, the current Commander-in-Chief touted while attending the annual Army-Navy game a shift in policy that permits athletes at the service academies to delay their service.
President Trump told the players that they now have the chance “to make a fortune, and after you’re all finished with your professional career, you’ll go and you’ll serve and everybody’s thrilled.”

What do you all think...good policy or not?

Maybe we can get something other than the normal split on this one...

I say it is bad policy for two reasons...

First, it says that making your fortune is more important than serving your country and full fulling your commitment to the country.

Second, what if their career last 20 years and they are 40 plus when they enter active duty? What if they are injured and no long qualify to be on active duty?

I think this just sends a bad message.

Another point, Gator: By the time your pro career ends, you're likely married with young children. Not the best time to do your mandatory service either.

In reality, the best time to do your service is right after you graduate. All of that you learned in a military academy is current and fresh in your mind when you go to serve, so you're of the most use to the service. You're accustomed to the discipline and expectations of military life, and as you pointed out, you don't have any injuries which would prevent your service.

I just don't see ANYONE going into military service after a successful pro sports career. I don't see multi-millionaire athletes, with family obligations, doing 5 years as a military officer. These athletes will try to buy their way out of it.

Last but not least is the message it sends. When young men and women enrol in West Point or Annapolis, they are making a commitment to their country. Many are setting out on a lifelong path of public service. JFK said "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". West Point and Annapolis are the educational institutions which live that ethos. Trump is saying "Your promises to your country mean nothing. Get it while you can".

Just as JFK's words reveal the kind of man he was, so do Trump's.

That's odd! By the time I finished my Navy service obligation, I had been married for 5 years and had two children.

My daughter's Army service obligation is up next August, and she is unmarried with no children. It all depends on the individual.

Would you have started you service obligation with a wife and two children? My father-in-law left the Navy when his second child was born.

I did somewhat, with a wife and one on the way. I was married a year before I was commissioned and had a daughter two months afterward.

My third and last child was born three weeks before I left active duty ten years later.

Your father-iin-law leaving the Navy when his second child was born was his guarantee that he would be there for the conception of anymore children rather than just the birth. He wanted to make sure the children he was supporting were his!

"He wanted to make sure the children he was supporting were his!"

probably you are making a joke BUT

I lived near a navy base and there was this bar where the wives went to get picked up when the sailors were out to sea.....(not by me)


AND


there are MORE bordellos near military bases than ANYWHERE ELSE in the WHOLE UNIVERSE!


AND

prostitutes say that they look forward MORE to republican conventions (as opposed to democratic) because conservative republicans spend a lot more on whores!

All of this is true.

In the Marines you could tell when a unit deployed as there were a lot more new women at the E Club. And Marines have quint little sayings like "nobody is married after 50 miles" and "what happens on deployment, stays on deployment".

The best though was at the end of my last WestPac, the Chaplin from our base in the states flew over for a briefing at the end of the 6 months and told us that if something happened not to feel obligated to tell our wives and then he flew back and had a briefing with the wives and told them not to ask questions they did not want answer to. Quite the man of God he was