Definitive Proof that GOD Exists?

[JimBowie1958]

Again, "religious beliefs" only pertain to spirituality in the sense they are products of it. They are evidence that humans certainly have profound belief in spiritual nature. You want to look at the historic record, let's look at the attempts humans have made to try and live without spiritual belief? Every one of those empires declined into immoral decay and corruption, usually ending with millions of people dying. Civilizations without spirituality have ALWAYS failed. So some civilizations may have failed with it, but all have failed without it.

And a few examples of civilizations that have failed without spiritual belief would include?

Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, Maoist Cambodia, Jacobin France,.....

Just how many do you need to see?

 

[Hollie]

Again, "religious beliefs" only pertain to spirituality in the sense they are products of it. They are evidence that humans certainly have profound belief in spiritual nature. You want to look at the historic record, let's look at the attempts humans have made to try and live without spiritual belief? Every one of those empires declined into immoral decay and corruption, usually ending with millions of people dying. Civilizations without spirituality have ALWAYS failed. So some civilizations may have failed with it, but all have failed without it.

And a few examples of civilizations that have failed without spiritual belief would include?

Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, Maoist Cambodia, Jacobin France,.....

Just how many do you need to see?

Those are hardly civilizations.

 

[JimBowie1958]

And a few examples of civilizations that have failed without spiritual belief would include?

Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, Maoist Cambodia, Jacobin France,.....

Just how many do you need to see?

Those are hardly civilizations.

lol, so now you are going to retreat to semantic quibbling?

so define what a civilization is to you

 

[Hollie]

Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, Maoist Cambodia, Jacobin France,.....

Just how many do you need to see?

Those are hardly civilizations.

lol, so now you are going to retreat to semantic quibbling?

so define what a civilization is to you

lol, so now you are going to backtrack because you weren't paying attention?

So, define for us why Nazi Germany somehow meets the definition of a civilization and why Christianity and the occult that played a part in Nazi ideology which, according to you, defines Nazi Germany as a civilization without "spirituality".

 

[JimBowie1958]

Those are hardly civilizations.

lol, so now you are going to retreat to semantic quibbling?

so define what a civilization is to you

lol, so now you are going to backtrack because you weren't paying attention?

So, define for us why Nazi Germany somehow meets the definition of a civilization and why Christianity and the occult that played a part in Nazi ideology which, according to you, defines Nazi Germany as a civilization without "spirituality".

Sure. Germany had a culture and set of values its citizens worked from that were distinct from the rest of Europe with the possible exception of fascist Italy.

And Hitler, being the one who defined everything about Germany, was an atheist and freely acted on a completely anti-Christian set of values.

There was nothing remotely Christian about Hitler's behavior nor the civilization he gave birth to in the Third Reich.

That some Christian ministers cooperated with that vile beast is the surest proof of damnation for some of the Elect.

 

[Hollie]

lol, so now you are going to retreat to semantic quibbling?

so define what a civilization is to you

lol, so now you are going to backtrack because you weren't paying attention?

So, define for us why Nazi Germany somehow meets the definition of a civilization and why Christianity and the occult that played a part in Nazi ideology which, according to you, defines Nazi Germany as a civilization without "spirituality".

Sure. Germany had a culture and set of values its citizens worked from that were distinct from the rest of Europe with the possible exception of fascist Italy.

And Hitler, being the one who defined everything about Germany, was an atheist and freely acted on a completely anti-Christian set of values.

There was nothing remotely Christian about Hitler's behavior nor the civilization he gave birth to in the Third Reich.

That some Christian ministers cooperated with that vile beast is the surest proof of damnation for some of the Elect.

So, the inscription "gott mitt uns" on the belt buckles worn by the SS had nothing to do with christianity?

Do you want to spend a moment and take a crash course in Nazi ideology?

 

[HUGGY]

Why is there such a desperate attempt to link atheism to Nazis?

The Nazis were clowns. They were dangerous clowns for sure but all the "costumes" and the goose stepping and hiel Hitler with the arm raised and the exclusion of everyone that didn't fit their prototype was hardly anything an atheist would gravitate towards.

No atheist I ever met is looking for a "leader" or Fuhrer. All the atheists I know reject groupthink.

Attempting to link atheists to butcherers is a shabby argument.

There is 2000 years of history covering the butchery in the name of religion and it still goes on today.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

And, why do the faithful have so little faith in their faith?

Yeah, its sounds convoluted but that's what these threads are always about. They have a very tenuous hold on their fairy tale so they're constantly arguing about it.

To each their own but really, this just gets more and more brain dead every day.

 

[JimBowie1958]

lol, so now you are going to backtrack because you weren't paying attention?

So, define for us why Nazi Germany somehow meets the definition of a civilization and why Christianity and the occult that played a part in Nazi ideology which, according to you, defines Nazi Germany as a civilization without "spirituality".

Sure. Germany had a culture and set of values its citizens worked from that were distinct from the rest of Europe with the possible exception of fascist Italy.

And Hitler, being the one who defined everything about Germany, was an atheist and freely acted on a completely anti-Christian set of values.

There was nothing remotely Christian about Hitler's behavior nor the civilization he gave birth to in the Third Reich.

That some Christian ministers cooperated with that vile beast is the surest proof of damnation for some of the Elect.

So, the inscription "gott mitt uns" on the belt buckles worn by the SS had nothing to do with christianity?

Do you want to spend a moment and take a crash course in Nazi ideology?

Lol, and that Stalin used the Russian orthodox church as a motivating tool makes the Soviets Christian too guess.

The Nazis cynically exploited Christian beliefs by the ignorant masses to motivate them to support the central state.

If you ant fathom how that negates any references to Got and anything else similar to the genuine faith then ntothing can remedy your ignorance.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Why is there such a desperate attempt to link atheism to Nazis?

The Nazis were clowns. They were dangerous clowns for sure but all the "costumes" and the goose stepping and hiel Hitler with the arm raised and the exclusion of everyone that didn't fit their prototype was hardly anything an atheist would gravitate towards.

No atheist I ever met is looking for a "leader" or Fuhrer. All the atheists I know reject groupthink.

Except for atheist group think. I have never seen such stupidity and ignorance before in my life than what so many atheists use to defend their faith system.

Attempting to link atheists to butcherers is a shabby argument.

Not at all. It is the natural outgrowth of their stupidity and lack of morality.

There is 2000 years of history covering the butchery in the name of religion and it still goes on today.

And all of it pales in comparison to the last two centuries in which atheists have butchered literally hundreds of millions of people across the globe.

 

[edthecynic]

lol, so now you are going to retreat to semantic quibbling?

so define what a civilization is to you

lol, so now you are going to backtrack because you weren't paying attention?

So, define for us why Nazi Germany somehow meets the definition of a civilization and why Christianity and the occult that played a part in Nazi ideology which, according to you, defines Nazi Germany as a civilization without "spirituality".

Sure. Germany had a culture and set of values its citizens worked from that were distinct from the rest of Europe with the possible exception of fascist Italy.

And Hitler, being the one who defined everything about Germany, was an atheist and freely acted on a completely anti-Christian set of values.

There was nothing remotely Christian about Hitler's behavior nor the civilization he gave birth to in the Third Reich.

That some Christian ministers cooperated with that vile beast is the surest proof of damnation for some of the Elect.

Where do you get this crap!!!

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison.
To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows.
For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe
I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.

 

[HUGGY]

Why is there such a desperate attempt to link atheism to Nazis?

The Nazis were clowns. They were dangerous clowns for sure but all the "costumes" and the goose stepping and hiel Hitler with the arm raised and the exclusion of everyone that didn't fit their prototype was hardly anything an atheist would gravitate towards.

No atheist I ever met is looking for a "leader" or Fuhrer. All the atheists I know reject groupthink.

Except for atheist group think. I have never seen such stupidity and ignorance before in my life than what so many atheists use to defend their faith system.

Attempting to link atheists to butcherers is a shabby argument.

Not at all. It is the natural outgrowth of their stupidity and lack of morality.

There is 2000 years of history covering the butchery in the name of religion and it still goes on today.

And all of it pales in comparison to the last two centuries in which atheists have butchered literally hundreds of millions of people across the globe.

Your post is ignorant.

You religists are so used to lying to each other and just making shit up out of whole cloth that you have become used to it. You don't know the first thing about how an atheist thinks or acts.

Save your lying for your fellow perveyors of your fraud.

The fact of the matter is that atheists are better people than you are.

You and your ilk are scum that prey on the suffering and frightened that have succumed to the scam of religion and the threatened vengence of your fake god. There is no god and all of the bluster you can muster won't make it so.

 

[Boss]

The fact of the matter is that atheists are better people than you are.

There is no god and all of the bluster you can muster won't make it so.

Two statements you have absolutely NO proof for and can't support with evidence.

If you have no God you have no moral accountability. That means you can make up your own moral boundaries as you go, justifying whatever you please along the way. The most reprehensible monsters in human history either believed in no God or believed they were greater than God. The symptoms of moral relativism plague our country today, with one shockingly heinous act after another in complete disregard for life. You carry the banner for over 50 million aborted human lives in the name of your godless unaccountable lifestyle of convenience and vanity. And you have the fucking nerve to tell us you are better people?

Regardless of the bluster you muster, there IS a God and you cannot make God disappear.

 

[JimBowie1958]

lol, so now you are going to backtrack because you weren't paying attention?

So, define for us why Nazi Germany somehow meets the definition of a civilization and why Christianity and the occult that played a part in Nazi ideology which, according to you, defines Nazi Germany as a civilization without "spirituality".

Sure. Germany had a culture and set of values its citizens worked from that were distinct from the rest of Europe with the possible exception of fascist Italy.

And Hitler, being the one who defined everything about Germany, was an atheist and freely acted on a completely anti-Christian set of values.

There was nothing remotely Christian about Hitler's behavior nor the civilization he gave birth to in the Third Reich.

That some Christian ministers cooperated with that vile beast is the surest proof of damnation for some of the Elect.

Where do you get this crap!!!

By observing that what Hitler did in regards to slaughtering millions of Jews, Catholics, priests, gypsies, etc, is entirely 100% contrary to what Christ taught.

You libtard fools judge people by what they say when what they do is of far more significance.

Besides, one should never believe a politician, unless there is plenty of evidence to support what he says. Hitler had the opposite and was a Christ hating atheist despite his lies claiming the opposite said before the cameras.

But why focus on Hitler? Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot killed millions of innocents just as well and you libtards don't even blink an eye.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Why is there such a desperate attempt to link atheism to Nazis?

The Nazis were clowns. They were dangerous clowns for sure but all the "costumes" and the goose stepping and hiel Hitler with the arm raised and the exclusion of everyone that didn't fit their prototype was hardly anything an atheist would gravitate towards.

No atheist I ever met is looking for a "leader" or Fuhrer. All the atheists I know reject groupthink.

Except for atheist group think. I have never seen such stupidity and ignorance before in my life than what so many atheists use to defend their faith system.




Not at all. It is the natural outgrowth of their stupidity and lack of morality.

There is 2000 years of history covering the butchery in the name of religion and it still goes on today.

And all of it pales in comparison to the last two centuries in which atheists have butchered literally hundreds of millions of people across the globe.

Your post is ignorant.

You religists are so used to lying to each other and just making shit up out of whole cloth that you have become used to it. You don't know the first thing about how an atheist thinks or acts.

Save your lying for your fellow perveyors of your fraud.

The fact of the matter is that atheists are better people than you are.

You and your ilk are scum that prey on the suffering and frightened that have succumed to the scam of religion and the threatened vengence of your fake god. There is no god and all of the bluster you can muster won't make it so.

Add up the number of people killed at the orders of atheists over the last 200 years and it dwarfs all the other Christian tyrants over two millennia; FACT.

The rest of your bullshit is just presumptuous blather.

 

[AVG-JOE]

But if YWC is right, the reward is eternal paradise. If you're right, all you get is a deeper understanding of the natural world.

Considering that this is the only life that I know I get to experience, I'll take The Natural World and All its Wonders for all the marbles, Alex.

lol, metaphysical bigotry for the win, Alex.

The metaphysical part I get... please define 'bigotry' as used in this context.

 

[Hollie]

The fact of the matter is that atheists are better people than you are.

There is no god and all of the bluster you can muster won't make it so.

Two statements you have absolutely NO proof for and can't support with evidence.

If you have no God you have no moral accountability. That means you can make up your own moral boundaries as you go, justifying whatever you please along the way. The most reprehensible monsters in human history either believed in no God or believed they were greater than God. The symptoms of moral relativism plague our country today, with one shockingly heinous act after another in complete disregard for life. You carry the banner for over 50 million aborted human lives in the name of your godless unaccountable lifestyle of convenience and vanity. And you have the fucking nerve to tell us you are better people?

Regardless of the bluster you muster, there IS a God and you cannot make God disappear.

"If you have no God you have no moral accountability"

The mantra of the thumper.

 

[Hollie]

Except for atheist group think. I have never seen such stupidity and ignorance before in my life than what so many atheists use to defend their faith system.




Not at all. It is the natural outgrowth of their stupidity and lack of morality.




And all of it pales in comparison to the last two centuries in which atheists have butchered literally hundreds of millions of people across the globe.

Your post is ignorant.

You religists are so used to lying to each other and just making shit up out of whole cloth that you have become used to it. You don't know the first thing about how an atheist thinks or acts.

Save your lying for your fellow perveyors of your fraud.

The fact of the matter is that atheists are better people than you are.

You and your ilk are scum that prey on the suffering and frightened that have succumed to the scam of religion and the threatened vengence of your fake god. There is no god and all of the bluster you can muster won't make it so.

Add up the number of people killed at the orders of atheists over the last 200 years and it dwarfs all the other Christian tyrants over two millennia; FACT.

The rest of your bullshit is just presumptuous blather.

I wouldn't feel hurt because your Christian tyrants aren't quite as ruthless as megalomaniacs who used a political ideology to further their goals.

Remember, your Christian mass murderers had the gods on their side to assist in their killing.

 

[Hollie]

And, why do the faithful have so little faith in their faith?

Yeah, its sounds convoluted but that's what these threads are always about. They have a very tenuous hold on their fairy tale so they're constantly arguing about it.

To each their own but really, this just gets more and more brain dead every day.

It is curious. The more angry of those with "faith" will defend their hold on some perceived moral high ground with nonsensical claims about their roll call of dead bodies being less than that of psychopaths who fronted communist/socialist political ideologies.

When your claim to a moral high ground resolves to: "but..... but...... but we're not as bad as they are", it's time to drink the Kool-aid.

 

[HUGGY]

The fact of the matter is that atheists are better people than you are.

There is no god and all of the bluster you can muster won't make it so.

Two statements you have absolutely NO proof for and can't support with evidence.

If you have no God you have no moral accountability. That means you can make up your own moral boundaries as you go, justifying whatever you please along the way. The most reprehensible monsters in human history either believed in no God or believed they were greater than God. The symptoms of moral relativism plague our country today, with one shockingly heinous act after another in complete disregard for life. You carry the banner for over 50 million aborted human lives in the name of your godless unaccountable lifestyle of convenience and vanity. And you have the fucking nerve to tell us you are better people?

Regardless of the bluster you muster, there IS a God and you cannot make God disappear.

I can understand at the time of jesus how people could say there is NO proof either way on the existance of a god. In fact the rule of thumb at that time was that there were many gods. There were gods for everything. Superstition was the way of the world. Paring the entities down to a single lord and master just seemed to make sense. It was also convenient in controlling human activity to claim access to this god ...a single pathway if you will to succeed in war.. life... politics.

As hard as the gatekeepers to power made it for knowledge to prove otherwise by publicly prosecuting Galileo and others it is astonishing that any knowledge was amassed at all that didn't agree with the bible's accounts of truth.

Success in war seemed to be the deciding factor that gave christianity the edge.

Now some 2000 years later technology has passed beyond the religist's ability to bury it.

Again it was the ability to make war that was the deciding factor.

The birth of the most crude computer rested on the means to calculate the accuracy of cannon and later gun tragectories. The radio was a means to signal over longer distances... radar and television.. more implements of war ... All of these improvements ...flying.. machining parts by mass repetition .. harnessing the electron.

One by one the mysteries once attributed to only what it would take a god to deliver have been produced by average men.

We have seen behind the curtain and there was no super human entity there pulling the strings and wires.

The magic has been strippped away. Only the willfully ignorant are still at the bridges demanding a toll. A few thousand black knights demanding recognition for the progress they never had any part of is all you bow down to.

The revolution of knowledge has been won and only the willfully ignorant still impede what progress they can.

The knashing of teeth is all happening in YOUR camp boys. You have nothing but bad dreams to threaten with. You have been reduced to warning humanity against the imaginary monsters under the bed and in the closet.

You are pathetic.