Define liberals and conservatives

[syrenn]

Not exactly, but nice try.

working or cooking?

Watching the Purina dog show. Lol
I actually get the day off this year.

 

[Koios]

Of course liberals are not afraid of paying for anything.... that is becasue they want someone else to pay for it....and or get it all for free.

i do however agree with the description of easygoing and generous... with other peoples money.

Actually self-described Liberals are the most-educated and share the top earning position with Enterpriser Conservatives (businesses owners essentially).

We not only pay more in but are willing to pay even more into the society from which we and our fellow Americans benefit.

Conservatives thus pay less in and whine about having to pay taxes and are loathe to pay a nickel more.

Ill agree some of them are how you describe them.....however, most of them are not.

It's based on polling data and averages, largely contained in a Pew study / report.

So indeed, as an aggregate group, Liberals put more in, in taxes, than Conservatives.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Liberals tend towards reaching forward to an impossible utopian future, and Conservatives tend towards reaching backwards to a non-existent utopian past.

^ THIS is the post of the day!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to theDoctorisIn again.

Bummer!

 

[syrenn]

Actually self-described Liberals are the most-educated and share the top earning position with Enterpriser Conservatives (businesses owners essentially).

We not only pay more in but are willing to pay even more into the society from which we and our fellow Americans benefit.

Conservatives thus pay less in and whine about having to pay taxes and are loathe to pay a nickel more.

Ill agree some of them are how you describe them.....however, most of them are not.

It's based on polling data and averages, largely contained in a Pew study / report.

So indeed, as an aggregate group, Liberals put more in, in taxes, than Conservatives.

LOL..... putting in more taxes from your top earners... says nothing about vast majority of liberals .....who don't pay in a cent.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Liberals tend towards reaching forward to an impossible utopian future, and Conservatives tend towards reaching backwards to a non-existent utopian past.

So the state of Utah should resemble Mogadishu.

 

[AVG-JOE]

If I like an average amount of mayo, does that make me a centerist?

There he goes! Typical of his type, trying to hijack the definition of 'average'! Who made him dictator?

Yes, of course I'm joking. To get to the original question, the definition of 'liberal' depends on which side of the Atlantic one stands. It is a faux amis between even the British use and American use and in fact means almost the opposite.

As I understand it, US liberals want to liberalize the capacity of government to act in society. Conservatives want government to remain outside social issues and relegated to only the essential functions. One expects grievances and difficulties to be actively ameliorated where possible by legislation if necessary. The other prefers to allow 'nature' to take its course.

Both have good arguments.

Seriously?!?

Ummmm..... which party is it that wants national control of who we fuck, who we marry, what we smoke, and what happens if all that smokin' and fuckin' results in unwanted pregnancy?

GOP platform targets abortion, gay marriage, Medicare - Politics - The Boston Globe

There are two biggies that the Republicans are going to have to flat out give up on if they ever hope to represent more than 30% of the electorate again: Trickle-down Voodoo Economics and their strong desire to preach their values in in every American bedroom.

 

[Koios]

Ill agree some of them are how you describe them.....however, most of them are not.

It's based on polling data and averages, largely contained in a Pew study / report.

So indeed, as an aggregate group, Liberals put more in, in taxes, than Conservatives.

LOL..... putting in more taxes from your top earners... says nothing about vast majority of liberals .....who don't pay in a cent.

Not true. The majority of workers whose pay is not sufficient to put them on the Federal Income Tax roll, ie the 47 percent that Romney marginalized, are Republicans / Conservatives.

 

[syrenn]

It's based on polling data and averages, largely contained in a Pew study / report.

So indeed, as an aggregate group, Liberals put more in, in taxes, than Conservatives.

LOL..... putting in more taxes from your top earners... says nothing about vast majority of liberals .....who don't pay in a cent.

Not true. The majority of workers whose pay is not sufficient to put them on the Federal Income Tax roll, ie the 47 percent that Romney marginalized, are Republicans / Conservatives.

just a few examples of liberals. Not paying a cent...is not paying a cent. I dont care how much they make.



[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI]Obama Is Going To Pay For My Gas And Mortgage!!! - YouTube[/ame]

 

[AVG-JOE]

Liberal: People over profits

Conservative: Profits over people

Liberal open to new ideas and changes. Conservative, let's keep what we got by conserving.
This is probably close to the original definition

Gets complicated because liberals want to conserve the environment. Conservatives, less so because they believe it'll put a burden on profit making.

Conservatives are stronger on law and order. But only when it comes to individual crime. Not corporate crime. Conservative. Let the wealthy keep what they have because they worked hard for it, even though this isn't always the case.
Liberal, how much wealth do they need, also realizing many of the super wealth was made by intrigue, chicanery, outright theft and also inheritance. Conservative, let them keep all their money and pass it on to their heirs.


Liberals want a diverse country they say, including allowing too many people coming here that have nothing to offer but many needs, which overburdens the safety nets. As we get close to having more minorities from the third world here, especially low income, the conservatives will start leaning liberal to get the votes.

We're probably all a mixture of both. My opinion

http://www.usmessageboard.com/congress/57152-liberal-vs-conservative.html

 

[emilynghiem]

* Conservatives make God their government;
Liberals make Government their god.

In general, for all the conservative Christians who focus the source of their empowerment in their church relations and leadership to organize their resources, the people who DON'T have this connection will turn to OTHER means as a substitute. Many of the disenfranchised and marginalized minorities will turn to political parties like the liberal Democrats to use "government" as a substitute for what the churches normally provide, since they don't have this. Once the Democrat party started marketing itself and attracting this kind of following, then the political leaders pander to those voters and the cycle of dependence.

Even the liberal Christians I know who work with the Democrat party and do the same work independently through peace and justice outreach and their own churches "reject" the authoritarian type leadership of conservative rightwing churches, and try to compensate through the govt. So that is why it comes across as depending on political advocacy through govt to validate and establish the liberal views and "agenda" instead of validing themselves.
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* If you believe it is wrong to punish the poor for being poor, to the point you are even willing to
push a system that punishes the rich for being rich to make up for this injustice, then you are liberal.
* If you believe it is so wrong to punish the rich for being rich, that you are willing to put up with
a system that punishes the poor for being poor to prevent such an injustice, then you are conservative.

Basically, if you blame the poor and the liberals for pandering and enabling the poor,
for the problems of welfare, dependency and poverty and related crimes that are killing the country and govt, then you are conservative.
If you blame the rich and the conservative for enabling the corruption and abuses of corporations
for the problems of economic and govt collapse, then you are liberal.

In a way, both are right, both the problems of the crimes costing taxpayers and society need to be addressed,
as well as the problems of corporation corruption in business and in govt that is also bankrupting the system.

But depending on which problem you can "forgive" while targeting the OTHER as the focus that needs to be addressed,
that determines if you are liberal or conservative.

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[In both media and govt, there is political bias from both sides. The way you can tell the difference is which party's hypocrisy each person is willing to forgive.

* If you can magically forgive where Bush overstepped bounds of govt authority and budget, or where Reagon allowed corporations to abuse deregulation to get away with destructive and expensive abuses at taxpayers' expense, but you don't complain until Obama goes too far and allows corporations to abuse political connections with govt, then you are Conservative.

* And vice versa, if you can magically forgive Obama and the Democrat Party for abusing political and govt authority, and even contradicting the whole pro-choice concept with the federal health care mandates, but you vocally complained, protested, and blamed Bush and Reagan and cannot forgive abuses under their administrations, then you are liberal.

* And if you complain about both parties being equally corrupted, if you are doing so in order to push your own political agenda you are either Libertarian, LaRouchian, or a Ron Paulist.
If you complain about both parties based on the Constitution, you are a Tea Party Racist.
If you complain about both parties catering to corporate greed, WITHOUT having your own agenda, you are either Green (if you have a job) or Occupy (if you are homeless or jobless).]

 

[Pheonixops]

Considering how much vitriol gets thrown around on this board towards these two words and labels, I thought it would be fascinating to hear peoples' definitions for both words. Please explain to the board what your perception of a liberal and a conservative is.

As a Liberal, my main focus is one Civil Liberties, a Foreign Policy that is more neutral and friendly than that of the republicans and democrats, energy independence, a fair or flat income/consumption tax, I have no problem with gay marriage, or Colorado's recent decision, I think that welfare and food stamps should be a temporary measure and a sort of loan that should be paid back at a very low percentage rate and payment.

 

[Pheonixops]

Cons love America...period
Libs love America of their dreams and only if THEY control it

Basically it.

LOL, that's a totally dumbed down statement that is dumbed down for the target audience. It's also pretty silly and hypocritical, especially when there's a whole bunch of you crying that, "we lost our country! ". Thanks for the laugh!

 

[Pheonixops]

Just to throw it out there.....


liberal: The world owes you everything....and life is free.

conservative: The world owes you nothing... and pay for the life you want.

That's patently WRONG.

 

[Pheonixops]

Just to throw it out there.....


liberal: The world owes you everything....and life is free.

conservative: The world owes you nothing... and pay for the life you want.

Wrong again. I don't want what you have. If we have to pay for a pizza, I think that we should all pay an equal amount for that pizza, regardless of our income.

 

[rdean]

Conservative

A conservative is someone who rises above his personal self-interest and promotes moral and economic values to all. A conservative is willing to learn and advocate the insights of economics and the logic of the Bible for the benefit of all.

More formally, a conservative typically adheres to principles of personal responsibility, moral values, and limited government, agreeing with George Washington's Farewell Address that "religion and morality are indispensable supports" to political prosperity.

Former President Ronald Reagan said, "The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom."

Specifically, conservatives seek or support:

* Limited government and balanced budgets
* Capitalism and free markets
* Classroom prayer
* Respect for human life and prohibition of abortion
* Abstinence education
* Traditional marriage, not same-sex marriage
* The concept of retribution for crimes, including the death penalty for heinous murders proven beyond a reasonable doubt
* Family values, including traditional relationships and division of labor within the household
* Respect for differences between men and women, boys and girls
* Laws against pornography
* The Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms
* Economic allocative efficiency (as opposed to popular equity)
* Parental control of education (parental rights)
* Private medical care and retirement plans
* Canceling failed social support programs
* No world government
* Enforcement of current laws regarding immigration
* Respect for our military ... past and present
* Rejection of junk science such as evolution and global warming
* Minimal taxation
* Federalism (Separation of powers among the National, State and Local governments)
* Favoring states' rights over federal power, while accepting the Constitutional role of the federal government
* A strong national defense
* An Originalist interpretation of the Constitution
* A dedication to the truth, and an ability to seek it

Liberal

A liberal is someone who favors censorship of Christianity plus increased government spending and power, as in ObamaCare. Increasingly, liberals side with the homosexual agenda, including supporting homosexual "marriage". Many liberals favor a welfare state where people receive endless entitlements without working. Liberals are often anti-Christian, or otherwise disagree with moral or social principles held by many American Christians. The liberal ideology has worsened over the years and degenerated into economically delusional views and intolerant ideology. Some liberals simply support, in knee-jerk fashion, the opposite of conservative principles without having any meaningful values of their own.

Polling data has consistently shown that a decreasingly large percentage of Americans identify as conservative, rather than as liberal, currently by 38% to 21%. Younger people and those with higher levels of education are more likely to identify as liberal.

The decline in liberal principles can be illustrated by how Franklin Delano Roosevelt opposed and condemned public sector unions, stating that the idea of collective bargaining can't be transferred from the private to the public sector, as that would result in the government being unable to carry out its duties. Yet today, decades later, Democrats and liberals are in lock-step with public sector unions, as they "donate" money to the reelection campaign in exchange for more taxpayer money in their wallets and fluffed up pensions.

A liberal generally supports many of the following political positions and practices:

* Spending money on government programs (the significant economic problems in the Eurozone due to government debt will no doubt increasingly discredit this aspect of liberal ideology and make things more difficult for advocates of liberal economic ideologies)
* Government's ability to solve economic problems
* The belief that terrorism is not a huge threat, and that the main reason for Muslim extremists' hostility towards America is because of bad foreign policy
* Taxpayer-funded and/or legalized abortion
* Censorship of teacher-led prayer in classrooms and school/state-sponsored religious events
* Support for gun control
* Affirmative action
* Opposition to government regulation or restriction of obscenity, pornography and violence in video games as a First Amendment right
* Government-funded medical care, such as ObamaCare
* Taxpayer funded and government controlled public education
* Insisting that men and women be placed in the same jobs in the military
* Legalized same-sex marriage and homosexual adoption
* Tax and spend
* Support for economic sector regulations
* Support and spreading of political correctness
* Support of non-syndicalist labor unions
* Encouraging promiscuity through sexual education (the teaching of safe sex) rather than teaching abstinence from premarital sex
* A "living Constitution" that is reinterpreted as liberals prefer, rather than how it is thought to have been intended
* Government programs to rehabilitate criminals
* Abolition of the death penalty
* Environmentalism
* Globalism
* Support for the constitutionally mandated separation of church and state
* Opposition to full private property rights
* Reinstating the Fairness Doctrine
* In 2005, it was reported by CBS News that liberals were most likely supporters of the theory of evolution
* Opposition to domestic wire-tapping as authorized in the Patriot Act
* Opposition of the War on Terrorism
* Withholds support to the War on Terrorism
* Tolerance of different ideas and lifestyles (just as long as those with different ideas and lifestyles identify themselves as liberal or to the left of the political spectrum)
* Do not support a laissez-faire capitalist economy and support regulation of business

Liberals currently use two clauses to try and expand their power: the Commerce Clause and the General Welfare Clause. The general welfare clause mentions "promoting the general welfare". This to a liberal means taxing the rich at increased rates and redistributing that money. The commerce clause, on the other hand, says that Congress has the power to regulate trade with foreign nations, between the states and with the indian tribes. Since the days of FDR this clause has been interpreted very loosely and has resulted in the federal government expanding its power. The latest example is The Affordable Care Act (ACA), better known as ObamaCare. In the ACA, the liberals justify the individual mandate by saying it regulates commerce between the states.

Current dictionaries describe the liberal ideology by pretending that a liberal is "a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties" or "a person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets," or "open-minded or tolerant, especially free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc." or "favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by government protection of civil liberties.

liberal

Open-minded, tolerant. Just as long as one's ideology resembles or closely resembles theirs. Additionally, they are open-minded and tolerant to the point of absurd. If you want to stick your schtick in a monkey? Cool. If you want to throw shit through an airplane's propeller blades and call it art? Cool. And, their open-mindedness and tolerance gets more and more loose as each decade passes. Soon, at this rate, one might surmise that child molestation will be a-okay with them within the next decade or two and, if you want to whip your chubby out and do some random broad right in the middle of a restaurant, for instance, they'll cheer you on. In the not too distant future, if leftist policies become rampant, one may be able to -- like a dog -- just jump some random broad walking down the street of whom one wants to have sex with and go to town.

Generous. With other peoples' money, things, etc.

Not bound by tradition, rules, laws, manners, etc., etc., etc.

Supports the killing of an unborn child, advocates the saving of Jeffrey Dahmer, Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, etc., etc., etc.

Blames America first.

Can read a book and retain information long enough to pass a test in order to graduate high school or college but, are really quite stupid and have the common sense of a bucket of shit.

Revise history to suit their needs by instituting linguistic gymnastics to twist logic and turn around an event 360 degrees from what it actually was.

Drug addled malcontents.

Can't fight their own battles and are generally cowards on their own unless they're with a group of their conservative friends, in which case, they will open their big mouths and mouth off and start a fight and, then, run away and let their conservative friends fight the fight for them of which they started. And, then, in the absence of their conservative friends, will strut around like a world-class heavyweight champ, proclaiming he/she kicked the asses of those he/she was mouthing off to and allege his/her conservative friends just stood and watched or, even ran away.

Think spit balls, protest signs, bellicose loud yelling and other such non-harmful activity is intimidating.

And more.

Some of the things I can agree with, but this:

The belief that terrorism is not a huge threat, and that the main reason for Muslim extremists' hostility towards America is because of bad foreign policy

Why would you say that? It was Republicans who let Bin Laden go, stopped looking for him and stood by and watched Christians in Iraq to be slaughtered and chased out of their homeland.

 

[rdean]

One of the ways that separate right from left is how the right view the poor:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-r...he-gop-the-merry-message-no-work-no-food.html

 

[AquaAthena]

Cons love America...period
Libs love America of their dreams and only if THEY control it

Basically it.

This pretty much says it all:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KHdhrNhh88]The Difference Between Liberal and Conservative - YouTube[/ame]

 

[jasonnfree]

Ill agree some of them are how you describe them.....however, most of them are not.

It's based on polling data and averages, largely contained in a Pew study / report.

So indeed, as an aggregate group, Liberals put more in, in taxes, than Conservatives.

LOL..... putting in more taxes from your top earners... says nothing about vast majority of liberals .....who don't pay in a cent.

Of course you can verify this statement? About the vast majority of liberals...who don't pay a cent?

 

[jasonnfree]

* Conservatives make God their government;
Liberals make Government their god.

In general, for all the conservative Christians who focus the source of their empowerment in their church relations and leadership to organize their resources, the people who DON'T have this connection will turn to OTHER means as a substitute. Many of the disenfranchised and marginalized minorities will turn to political parties like the liberal Democrats to use "government" as a substitute for what the churches normally provide, since they don't have this. Once the Democrat party started marketing itself and attracting this kind of following, then the political leaders pander to those voters and the cycle of dependence.

Even the liberal Christians I know who work with the Democrat party and do the same work independently through peace and justice outreach and their own churches "reject" the authoritarian type leadership of conservative rightwing churches, and try to compensate through the govt. So that is why it comes across as depending on political advocacy through govt to validate and establish the liberal views and "agenda" instead of validing themselves.
========================================================
* If you believe it is wrong to punish the poor for being poor, to the point you are even willing to
push a system that punishes the rich for being rich to make up for this injustice, then you are liberal.
* If you believe it is so wrong to punish the rich for being rich, that you are willing to put up with
a system that punishes the poor for being poor to prevent such an injustice, then you are conservative.

Basically, if you blame the poor and the liberals for pandering and enabling the poor,
for the problems of welfare, dependency and poverty and related crimes that are killing the country and govt, then you are conservative.
If you blame the rich and the conservative for enabling the corruption and abuses of corporations
for the problems of economic and govt collapse, then you are liberal.

In a way, both are right, both the problems of the crimes costing taxpayers and society need to be addressed,
as well as the problems of corporation corruption in business and in govt that is also bankrupting the system.

But depending on which problem you can "forgive" while targeting the OTHER as the focus that needs to be addressed,
that determines if you are liberal or conservative.

========================================================
[In both media and govt, there is political bias from both sides. The way you can tell the difference is which party's hypocrisy each person is willing to forgive.

* If you can magically forgive where Bush overstepped bounds of govt authority and budget, or where Reagon allowed corporations to abuse deregulation to get away with destructive and expensive abuses at taxpayers' expense, but you don't complain until Obama goes too far and allows corporations to abuse political connections with govt, then you are Conservative.

* And vice versa, if you can magically forgive Obama and the Democrat Party for abusing political and govt authority, and even contradicting the whole pro-choice concept with the federal health care mandates, but you vocally complained, protested, and blamed Bush and Reagan and cannot forgive abuses under their administrations, then you are liberal.

* And if you complain about both parties being equally corrupted, if you are doing so in order to push your own political agenda you are either Libertarian, LaRouchian, or a Ron Paulist.
If you complain about both parties based on the Constitution, you are a Tea Party Racist.
If you complain about both parties catering to corporate greed, WITHOUT having your own agenda, you are either Green (if you have a job) or Occupy (if you are homeless or jobless).]

There's either a Democrat or Republican in the white house. I voted for Obama. This doesn't mean I forgive his assault on civil liberties. I just think Republicans would be worse on civil liberties and generally worse for the country. Just my opinon, maybe I'm wrong. I could take the another road like some and don't vote for anybody or vote for some third party candidate that doesn't have a chance of winning, but I don't.
In your statement about punishing the rich. How are they being punished by liberals?

 

[CrotchetyGeezer]

liberal

Open-minded, tolerant. Just as long as one's ideology resembles or closely resembles theirs. Additionally, they are open-minded and tolerant to the point of absurd. If you want to stick your schtick in a monkey? Cool. If you want to throw shit through an airplane's propeller blades and call it art? Cool. And, their open-mindedness and tolerance gets more and more loose as each decade passes. Soon, at this rate, one might surmise that child molestation will be a-okay with them within the next decade or two and, if you want to whip your chubby out and do some random broad right in the middle of a restaurant, for instance, they'll cheer you on. In the not too distant future, if leftist policies become rampant, one may be able to -- like a dog -- just jump some random broad walking down the street of whom one wants to have sex with and go to town.

Any statement that describes someone or something starting with a phrase akin to "...at this rate, one might surmise..." is about to deliver a prediction that will range somewhere between possible, and fear-spun bullshit.

Do you really believe that 55% of the voters in this country are ready to cheer on public rape?

Really?

No, I believe 100% of leftists, even now, will cheer on public rape. But, it will take a decade or two for them to convince the public at large that it's acceptable behavior and something that's "with the times...dude. It's the 21st Century".