Define liberals and conservatives

[BallsBrunswick]

Considering how much vitriol gets thrown around on this board towards these two words and labels, I thought it would be fascinating to hear peoples' definitions for both words. Please explain to the board what your perception of a liberal and a conservative is.

 

[craner]

Cons love America...period
Libs love America of their dreams and only if THEY control it

Basically it.

 

[arKangel]

Liberal has two definitions:
The false =
Commie pinko who actually fears true liberalism most of all.
Hates true liberals because false liberals believe in the superiority of the elitist.

The True =
Person who believes in limited-to-no-government. Believes that humans are inherently good.

Conservative = a commie-pinko tool who will believe anything faux news tells them.
Hates true liberals because Limbaugh and the rich tells them to.

 

[Glensather]

...you know, I was going to post something moderately witty and negative about both sides, but the truth is...


They're both the same thing.

 

[francoHFW]

Regressives (brainwashed these days) vs progessives...ie deluded vs intelligentsia...see sig.

 

[koshergrl]

Wow.

Just...wow.

I would love to be able to see who you retards really are. I don't mean your names...I'd like to see your high school report cards, and your yearly income...I'd like to see who you live with, in what sort of dwelling, and what sort of clothes you wear.

Because I'm pretty sure you look like this:

 

[editec]

lib·er·al/ˈlib(&#601rəl/


Adjective:Open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.Noun:A person of liberal views.Synonyms:generous - bounteous - lavish - bountiful - free
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con·serv·a·tive/kənˈsərvətiv/


Adjective:Holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in politics or religion.Noun:A person who is averse to change and holds to traditional values and attitudes, typically in politics.Synonyms:tory
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As one can plainly see, the definition for both words does NOT describe either the Democratic nor the Republican party.


Neither party is either conservative or liberal.

 

[idb]

It's whatever people label me, I don't label myself.
I don't care.

 

[tyroneweaver]

A conservative believes that if a car gets 25 miler per gallon it puts out less pollution than a liberals car that only gets 16 miles per gallon with a bunch of epa stuff on it.

 

[CrotchetyGeezer]

Conservative

A conservative is someone who rises above his personal self-interest and promotes moral and economic values to all. A conservative is willing to learn and advocate the insights of economics and the logic of the Bible for the benefit of all.

More formally, a conservative typically adheres to principles of personal responsibility, moral values, and limited government, agreeing with George Washington's Farewell Address that "religion and morality are indispensable supports" to political prosperity.

Former President Ronald Reagan said, "The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom."

Specifically, conservatives seek or support:

* Limited government and balanced budgets
* Capitalism and free markets
* Classroom prayer
* Respect for human life and prohibition of abortion
* Abstinence education
* Traditional marriage, not same-sex marriage
* The concept of retribution for crimes, including the death penalty for heinous murders proven beyond a reasonable doubt
* Family values, including traditional relationships and division of labor within the household
* Respect for differences between men and women, boys and girls
* Laws against pornography
* The Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms
* Economic allocative efficiency (as opposed to popular equity)
* Parental control of education (parental rights)
* Private medical care and retirement plans
* Canceling failed social support programs
* No world government
* Enforcement of current laws regarding immigration
* Respect for our military ... past and present
* Rejection of junk science such as evolution and global warming
* Minimal taxation
* Federalism (Separation of powers among the National, State and Local governments)
* Favoring states' rights over federal power, while accepting the Constitutional role of the federal government
* A strong national defense
* An Originalist interpretation of the Constitution
* A dedication to the truth, and an ability to seek it

Liberal

A liberal is someone who favors censorship of Christianity plus increased government spending and power, as in ObamaCare. Increasingly, liberals side with the homosexual agenda, including supporting homosexual "marriage". Many liberals favor a welfare state where people receive endless entitlements without working. Liberals are often anti-Christian, or otherwise disagree with moral or social principles held by many American Christians. The liberal ideology has worsened over the years and degenerated into economically delusional views and intolerant ideology. Some liberals simply support, in knee-jerk fashion, the opposite of conservative principles without having any meaningful values of their own.

Polling data has consistently shown that a decreasingly large percentage of Americans identify as conservative, rather than as liberal, currently by 38% to 21%. Younger people and those with higher levels of education are more likely to identify as liberal.

The decline in liberal principles can be illustrated by how Franklin Delano Roosevelt opposed and condemned public sector unions, stating that the idea of collective bargaining can't be transferred from the private to the public sector, as that would result in the government being unable to carry out its duties. Yet today, decades later, Democrats and liberals are in lock-step with public sector unions, as they "donate" money to the reelection campaign in exchange for more taxpayer money in their wallets and fluffed up pensions.

A liberal generally supports many of the following political positions and practices:

* Spending money on government programs (the significant economic problems in the Eurozone due to government debt will no doubt increasingly discredit this aspect of liberal ideology and make things more difficult for advocates of liberal economic ideologies)
* Government's ability to solve economic problems
* The belief that terrorism is not a huge threat, and that the main reason for Muslim extremists' hostility towards America is because of bad foreign policy
* Taxpayer-funded and/or legalized abortion
* Censorship of teacher-led prayer in classrooms and school/state-sponsored religious events
* Support for gun control
* Affirmative action
* Opposition to government regulation or restriction of obscenity, pornography and violence in video games as a First Amendment right
* Government-funded medical care, such as ObamaCare
* Taxpayer funded and government controlled public education
* Insisting that men and women be placed in the same jobs in the military
* Legalized same-sex marriage and homosexual adoption
* Tax and spend
* Support for economic sector regulations
* Support and spreading of political correctness
* Support of non-syndicalist labor unions
* Encouraging promiscuity through sexual education (the teaching of safe sex) rather than teaching abstinence from premarital sex
* A "living Constitution" that is reinterpreted as liberals prefer, rather than how it is thought to have been intended
* Government programs to rehabilitate criminals
* Abolition of the death penalty
* Environmentalism
* Globalism
* Support for the constitutionally mandated separation of church and state
* Opposition to full private property rights
* Reinstating the Fairness Doctrine
* In 2005, it was reported by CBS News that liberals were most likely supporters of the theory of evolution
* Opposition to domestic wire-tapping as authorized in the Patriot Act
* Opposition of the War on Terrorism
* Withholds support to the War on Terrorism
* Tolerance of different ideas and lifestyles (just as long as those with different ideas and lifestyles identify themselves as liberal or to the left of the political spectrum)
* Do not support a laissez-faire capitalist economy and support regulation of business

Liberals currently use two clauses to try and expand their power: the Commerce Clause and the General Welfare Clause. The general welfare clause mentions "promoting the general welfare". This to a liberal means taxing the rich at increased rates and redistributing that money. The commerce clause, on the other hand, says that Congress has the power to regulate trade with foreign nations, between the states and with the indian tribes. Since the days of FDR this clause has been interpreted very loosely and has resulted in the federal government expanding its power. The latest example is The Affordable Care Act (ACA), better known as ObamaCare. In the ACA, the liberals justify the individual mandate by saying it regulates commerce between the states.

Current dictionaries describe the liberal ideology by pretending that a liberal is "a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties" or "a person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets," or "open-minded or tolerant, especially free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc." or "favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by government protection of civil liberties.

liberal

Open-minded, tolerant. Just as long as one's ideology resembles or closely resembles theirs. Additionally, they are open-minded and tolerant to the point of absurd. If you want to stick your schtick in a monkey? Cool. If you want to throw shit through an airplane's propeller blades and call it art? Cool. And, their open-mindedness and tolerance gets more and more loose as each decade passes. Soon, at this rate, one might surmise that child molestation will be a-okay with them within the next decade or two and, if you want to whip your chubby out and do some random broad right in the middle of a restaurant, for instance, they'll cheer you on. In the not too distant future, if leftist policies become rampant, one may be able to -- like a dog -- just jump some random broad walking down the street of whom one wants to have sex with and go to town.

Generous. With other peoples' money, things, etc.

Not bound by tradition, rules, laws, manners, etc., etc., etc.

Supports the killing of an unborn child, advocates the saving of Jeffrey Dahmer, Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, etc., etc., etc.

Blames America first.

Can read a book and retain information long enough to pass a test in order to graduate high school or college but, are really quite stupid and have the common sense of a bucket of shit.

Revise history to suit their needs by instituting linguistic gymnastics to twist logic and turn around an event 360 degrees from what it actually was.

Drug addled malcontents.

Can't fight their own battles and are generally cowards on their own unless they're with a group of their conservative friends, in which case, they will open their big mouths and mouth off and start a fight and, then, run away and let their conservative friends fight the fight for them of which they started. And, then, in the absence of their conservative friends, will strut around like a world-class heavyweight champ, proclaiming he/she kicked the asses of those he/she was mouthing off to and allege his/her conservative friends just stood and watched or, even ran away.

Think spit balls, protest signs, bellicose loud yelling and other such non-harmful activity is intimidating.

And more.

 

[AVG-JOE]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/educa...th-conservatism-america-was-born-liberal.html

 

[AVG-JOE]

Modern Context:

Conservative Politicians: "Protect the status quo and those who hold the power behind the politics. We know who butters our bread!"

Liberal Politicians: "Protect the status quo and those who hold the power behind the politics. We know who butters our bread!"


Conservative Citizen: "I believe the spin presented by the conservative politicians, and I vote for them out of fear of the left."

Liberal Citizen: "I believe the spin presented by the liberal politicians, and I vote for them out of fear of the right."

 

[Euroconservativ]

Liberal = Social Democrat

 

[AVG-JOE]

liberal

Open-minded, tolerant. Just as long as one's ideology resembles or closely resembles theirs. Additionally, they are open-minded and tolerant to the point of absurd. If you want to stick your schtick in a monkey? Cool. If you want to throw shit through an airplane's propeller blades and call it art? Cool. And, their open-mindedness and tolerance gets more and more loose as each decade passes. Soon, at this rate, one might surmise that child molestation will be a-okay with them within the next decade or two and, if you want to whip your chubby out and do some random broad right in the middle of a restaurant, for instance, they'll cheer you on. In the not too distant future, if leftist policies become rampant, one may be able to -- like a dog -- just jump some random broad walking down the street of whom one wants to have sex with and go to town.

Any statement that describes someone or something starting with a phrase akin to "...at this rate, one might surmise..." is about to deliver a prediction that will range somewhere between possible, and fear-spun bullshit.

Do you really believe that 55% of the voters in this country are ready to cheer on public rape?

Really?

 

[Neurotika]

well i think progressive/conservative behaviors we see displayed on the internet
are not how they behave for the most part in their natural habitat.

people are nastier and meaner cause they can say and do whatever with no consequences.
bad behavior is rewarded on the internet so there seems to be a tendency to scream to be
heard over all the other noise...and be relevant perhaps in some way they are not in their real lives.

so we see more of the 'extreme sides' of both species than we would see in polite/social settings.

i imagine that if we all had a meet up and no one knew each others nicks..we could all socialize and discuss things just fine without all the bellicose chest beating and bad manners. i believe that.

i work with 2 woman [2 different jobs OMG A LIBERAL WITH A JOB...WAIT...2 JOBS...GASP..joking ] both republicans. i love and adore both women and i cant imagine either of them screaming at me over some stupid politician or policy or reverse. they would not tell me what to do with my body or who i can marry and i wouldnt tell them not to love their god/faith.

at the end of the day it all comes down to bad manners on the internet/media by sometimes undeserving, but influential people..sucking us into the manufactured outrage of the moment.
and 'we the sheeple' dutifully follow along..

i TRY not to judge progressive or conservative solely based on my inet experiences but in what i see in my reality..which is ANYONE left unsupervised on the internet WILL behave badly.. right/left/forward.
very rarely will you see an inet 'nick' carrying around their keyboards for protection so everyone must have manners in real life that they do not have to display here or risk getting shot or kicked in the head

so i will not attempt to define one or the other until i can see/mix with them in their natural enviro <3

at the end of the day if i met you on the street..i would simply smile and i would never know if you were a conservative/progressive. at the end of the day we are all americans and we are all people.

<3

 

[Koios]

Liberal: more mayo

Conservative: less mayo

 

[AVG-JOE]

Liberal = Social Democrat

Defining an ambiguous label with an ambiguous label...



That's either brilliant spin or a waste of paper.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Liberal: more mayo

Conservative: less mayo

I disagree.

I'm a liberal, and I prefer less mayo - in fact, I prefer there to be barely any mayo at all.

 

[BallsBrunswick]

If I like an average amount of mayo, does that make me a centerist?

 

[Koios]

Liberal: more mayo

Conservative: less mayo

I disagree.

I'm a liberal, and I prefer less mayo - in fact, I prefer there to be barely any mayo at all.

So you're ultra conservative in your use of mayo.