Defense Spending?

[RadiomanATL]

iow you can't argue your point so you just wave generalizations. Maintaining our worldwide network of obsolete power projection bases is untenable and may very likely break the US just like it broke the SU in the late 80's.

Keep digging that hole.

I'll give you a clue: I never argued for maintaining the current levels or bases. Thats why your argument is a false dichotomy (70% cutting or nothing) and a strawman (I never argued for no cuts).

liar.

Uh-huh

Care to point out where I DID argue for maintaining current levels?

 

[RadiomanATL]

iow you can't argue your point so you just wave generalizations. Maintaining our worldwide network of obsolete power projection bases is untenable and may very likely break the US just like it broke the SU in the late 80's.

Keep digging that hole.

I'll give you a clue: I never argued for maintaining the current levels or bases. Thats why your argument is a false dichotomy (70% cutting or nothing) and a strawman (I never argued for no cuts).

liar.

Fuck that shit! We spent almost 3 trillion dollars in the last two years that we had to borrow from foreigners or from future earnings depending on how you approach it.

End the campaigns in the ME and close at least 60% of our 800 foreign bases and reduce military spending by 70% within 2 years. No ifs, ands or buts.

BTW , we bribed Israel with a grant of some 20 advanced jets worth $20 billion just get them to maintain a settlement construction freeze that they violate even while it is in place, and only for 90 days.

We pour more money down rat holes than 95% of the nations in the world spend, and we spend more on military and defense than the rest of the world combined once you figure in our foreign aid.

Time to live within our means.

Yeah, your recipe is one for disaster. Both economically, defensively and politically. But at least you hit the trifecta!

Hey, thanks for pointing out that false dichotomy and strawman again!

BTW: Saying that cutting by 70% is idiotic is not the same as arguing for not cutting anything.

You and logic really aren't on speaking terms, are you?

 

[loosecannon]

Keep digging that hole.

I'll give you a clue: I never argued for maintaining the current levels or bases. Thats why your argument is a false dichotomy (70% cutting or nothing) and a strawman (I never argued for no cuts).

liar.

Uh-huh

Care to point out where I DID argue for maintaining current levels?

There is your red herring. You were arguing my position and you can't hold up that argument so you revert to distraction and misdirection.

I posted the original text, mark your position or flail away with more generalities.

 

[RadiomanATL]

liar.

Uh-huh

Care to point out where I DID argue for maintaining current levels?

There is your red herring. You were arguing my position and you can't hold up that argument so you revert to distraction and misdirection.

I posted the original text, mark your position or flail away with more generalities.

Actually, I made that post before you decided to go back and edit yours to add more to it. All you said originally was "liar". Therefore me asking you to point out where I lied is perfectly logical. Something that you have no experience in, it seems.

 

[loosecannon]

Hey, thanks for pointing out that false dichotomy and strawman again!

BTW: Saying that cutting by 70% is idiotic is not the same as arguing for not cutting anything.

You and logic really aren't on speaking terms, are you?

Idiot, I never said that you did or didn't say "cutting by 70% is idiotic is not the same as arguing for not cutting anything". That is your red herring, not mine.

You have never met logic and she swears she has never met you. She remembers Idiocy claiming to be very close to you tho. Beyond that second hand account she does not know you.

 

[loosecannon]

Uh-huh

Care to point out where I DID argue for maintaining current levels?

There is your red herring. You were arguing my position and you can't hold up that argument so you revert to distraction and misdirection.

I posted the original text, mark your position or flail away with more generalities.

Actually, I made that post before you decided to go back and edit yours to add more to it. All you said originally was "liar". Therefore me asking you to point out where I lied is perfectly logical. Something that you have no experience in, it seems.

You lying weasel. All I added was text that I had to scroll back several pages to recover.

Why don't you fuck off and die since you appear to be a serial liar?

 

[RadiomanATL]

Hey, thanks for pointing out that false dichotomy and strawman again!

BTW: Saying that cutting by 70% is idiotic is not the same as arguing for not cutting anything.

You and logic really aren't on speaking terms, are you?

Idiot, I never said that you did or didn't say "cutting by 70% is idiotic is not the same as arguing for not cutting anything". That is your red herring, not mine.

The words are in English, but the way you are stringing them together makes no sense. Give it another go, bust out your third grade reader if you have to.

I'll summarize for you:

You said cut everything by 70% in 2 years.

I said thats stupid.

You said that I'm stupid for wanting to maintain current levels.

I pointed out I never did such a thing.

You called me a liar.

I ask you where I lied.

You say red herring.

You either have a problem with logic or English.

 

[RadiomanATL]

There is your red herring. You were arguing my position and you can't hold up that argument so you revert to distraction and misdirection.

I posted the original text, mark your position or flail away with more generalities.

Actually, I made that post before you decided to go back and edit yours to add more to it. All you said originally was "liar". Therefore me asking you to point out where I lied is perfectly logical. Something that you have no experience in, it seems.

You lying weasel. All I added was text that I had to scroll back several pages to recover.

Why don't you fuck off and die since you appear to be a serial liar?

Where did I lie? You did edit it. I did make my post before you edited it.

Your logic deficiency is getting pretty predictable. Whenever it's pointed out to you, you jump around incoherently screaming "liar".

 

[loosecannon]

reset

Like it or not, and I don't, we're going to be responsible for regional security for a few more years in Iraq. That's got to eat up a lot of dollars. And then there's Afghanistan.

Thanks George.

Fuck that shit! We spent almost 3 trillion dollars in the last two years that we had to borrow from foreigners or from future earnings depending on how you approach it.

End the campaigns in the ME and close at least 60% of our 800 foreign bases and reduce military spending by 70% within 2 years. No ifs, ands or buts.

BTW , we bribed Israel with a grant of some 20 advanced jets worth $20 billion just get them to maintain a settlement construction freeze that they violate even while it is in place, and only for 90 days.

We pour more money down rat holes than 95% of the nations in the world spend, and we spend more on military and defense than the rest of the world combined once you figure in our foreign aid.

Time to live within our means.

Yeah, your recipe is one for disaster. Both economically, defensively and politically. But at least you hit the trifecta!

 

[RadiomanATL]

Having problems posting, huh? This is your second "reset" that you can't seem to get right.

Don't worry, lots of mentally deficient people have problems grasping the way a message board works.

 

[loosecannon]

Your logic deficiency is getting pretty predictable. Whenever it's pointed out to you, you jump around incoherently screaming "liar".

You are a retard. I have 25 iq points on you easy. Don't lecture me about logic, tardo.

Begin again with no red herrings, strawmen and estupido assumptions on your part, tardo.

And stuff your tude, because you can't hang in a logic rich environment.

 

[Trajan]

This isn't just a conservative problem. The problem lies on both sides, neither is willing to give in to less spending. I say 10% across the board....but that's just me.

There is nothing to give from the left, rather there are things that need funding. However, there is 54% of the budget going to the military to chop, and there is plently that can be cut, about 95% wouldn't be missed.

I see so the never ending tide of entitlements that help get us here are all hands off and everything else takes the pipe?

how about that 4.5 billion for the fatty school prgm. we just passed last week..in the midst of falling into the abyss.

you aware that we have been spending ( reaching ) 12.5 billion on schools food prgms etc for 40 years and obesity has gone up from approx. 5% to 17%.. ?

oh hey whoa, no fair who wants to benchmark right? hands off, we have to serve dinner to kids at school now, 3 meals a day..nope not a dime can be touched...is that the picture? .(next stop- bunks, in the gym, thats worth 10 billion at least and you get to raise my kids for me too, a dem wetdream)......

 

[RadiomanATL]

Your logic deficiency is getting pretty predictable. Whenever it's pointed out to you, you jump around incoherently screaming "liar".

I have 25 iq points on you easy. Don't lecture me about logic, tardo.

Begin again with no red herrings, strawmen and estupido assumptions on your part, tardo.

And stuff your tude, because you can't hang in a logic rich environment.

Uh-huh.

And yet you can't master a message board, can't follow a conversation, make up positions that you opponent never made, and call people liars without any proof backing you up.

Sure thing, you sure are smart

 

[Agit8r]

Your logic deficiency is getting pretty predictable. Whenever it's pointed out to you, you jump around incoherently screaming "liar".

You are a retard. I have 25 iq points on you easy. Don't lecture me about logic, tardo.

Begin again with no red herrings, strawmen and estupido assumptions on your part, tardo.

And stuff your tude, because you can't hang in a logic rich environment.

I don't know if i would brag about being 25 IQ points higher than retarded... just sayin'

 

[RadiomanATL]

Your logic deficiency is getting pretty predictable. Whenever it's pointed out to you, you jump around incoherently screaming "liar".

You are a retard. I have 25 iq points on you easy. Don't lecture me about logic, tardo.

Begin again with no red herrings, strawmen and estupido assumptions on your part, tardo.

And stuff your tude, because you can't hang in a logic rich environment.

I don't know if i would brag about being 25 IQ points higher than retarded... just sayin'

Shhhhh. He's smart, he swears

 

[JBeukema]

No country on earth is capable of invading the US. We have not been invaded by a foreign nation in almost 200 years.

Europe, Japan, S Korea, Malasia and all the Arab oil states need to start paying their own way

They are. Through Us. Know whyt we won't do anything against Iran?

We're borrowing money from them.

Same for China.

 

[JBeukema]

well we'll have 3 less than we need and had initially ordered, the gerald ford class super carrier, the next generation for the Nimitz class was initially 5, then 4...then 3 now 2. the need is based on the number of aging carries we have now, the world as it is laid out ala spheres of influence , risk etc. . we have already cut 2 carrier grp.s in the last 4 years.

We have 11 Super Carrier Task Forces. Nobody else in the world has one of similar capability

no on else has similar responsibilities.




do you understand why they are important? what is your perception of their worth?


hummmmm I come with 10 super carriers

Responsibilities? Is that what we're calling American imperialism now?


You do realize that most countries hate when we invade them or use our military might to push them around, install and support dictators, and exploit them, right?


We're bullies. That's why AQ kicked us in the balls and the world cheered.

 

[JBeukema]

We have 11 Super Carrier Task Forces. Nobody else in the world has one of similar capability

no on else has similar responsibilities.

do you understand why they are important? what is your perception of their worth?

Time to start "out sourcing" those responsibilities.

No reason for us to be the "world's cops" or providing security for oil companies.

 

[JBeukema]

The Defense budget has doubled from $316 Billion on 2000 to $693 billion in 2010

The Cold War is over, we were supposed to see an economic benefit

Like it or not, and I don't, we're going to be responsible for regional security for a few more years in Iraq. That's got to eat up a lot of dollars. And then there's Afghanistan.

Thanks George.

You mean Koreas II and III?

 

[JBeukema]

Time to get out of the Philippines, Germany, and France, too

We haven't had a base in the Philippines since 1991.

USAF:
Afghanistan

• Bagram Air Base
• Shindand Airbase
• Kandahar International Airport

Australia

• Woomera Air Station

Bulgaria Main article: Bulgarian-American Joint Military Facilities

• Bezmer Air Base
• Graf Ignatievo Air Base

Germany

• Ansbach
• NATO Air Base Geilenkirchen, Geilenkirchen, Germany
• Ramstein Air Base
• Spangdahlem Air Base

Greenland

• Thule AB

Guam

• Andersen Air Force Base

Italy

• Aviano Air Base
• Sigonella Naval Air Station
• Camp Darby (Pisa-Livorno)

Japan

• Kadena Air Base, Okinawa Prefecture
• Misawa Air Base, Misawa, Aomori
• Yokota Air Base, Tokyo

Qatar

• Al Udeid Air Base

Saudi Arabia Source: Globemaster US Military Aviation Database

• Eskan Village Air Base
• King Abdul Aziz Air Base, Dhahran
• King Fahd Air Base, Taif
• King Khalid Air Base, Khamis Mushayt
• Riyadh Air Base, Riyadh

Singapore

• Paya Lebar Air Base

South Korea

• Kunsan Air Base
• Osan Air Base

Kyrgyzstan

• Transit Center at Manas, Bishkek

Taiwan

• Cha Shan Air Base

The Netherlands

• Joint Force Command Brunssum

Phillipines

• Clark Air Base

Portugal

• Lajes Field, Azores

Spain

• Morón Air Base, Andalusia
• Morón de la Frontera, Andalusia

Turkey

• Incirlik Air Base

US Army:
Afghanistan

• Bagram Air Base
• Shindand Airbase
• Kandahar International Airport

Australia

• Woomera Air Station

Bulgaria Main article: Bulgarian-American Joint Military Facilities

• Bezmer Air Base
• Graf Ignatievo Air Base

Germany

• Ansbach
• NATO Air Base Geilenkirchen, Geilenkirchen, Germany
• Ramstein Air Base
• Spangdahlem Air Base

Greenland

• Thule AB

Guam

• Andersen Air Force Base

Italy

• Aviano Air Base
• Sigonella Naval Air Station
• Camp Darby (Pisa-Livorno)

Japan

• Kadena Air Base, Okinawa Prefecture
• Misawa Air Base, Misawa, Aomori
• Yokota Air Base, Tokyo

Qatar

• Al Udeid Air Base

Saudi Arabia Source: Globemaster US Military Aviation Database

• Eskan Village Air Base
• King Abdul Aziz Air Base, Dhahran
• King Fahd Air Base, Taif
• King Khalid Air Base, Khamis Mushayt
• Riyadh Air Base, Riyadh

Singapore

• Paya Lebar Air Base

South Korea

• Kunsan Air Base
• Osan Air Base

Kyrgyzstan

• Transit Center at Manas, Bishkek

Taiwan

• Cha Shan Air Base

The Netherlands

• Joint Force Command Brunssum

Phillipines

• Clark Air Base

Portugal

• Lajes Field, Azores

Spain

• Morón Air Base, Andalusia
• Morón de la Frontera, Andalusia

Turkey

• Incirlik Air Base

Leathernecks:

Afghanistan

• Camp Dwyer
• Camp Leatherneck
• FOB Delaram

Germany

• Camp Panzer Kaserne, Böblingen

Japan

• Marine Corps Base Camp Smedley D. Butler, Okinawa. Note: these camps are dispersed throughout Okinawa, but still under the administration of the SDB complex.
  • Camp Courtney
  • Camp Foster
  • Camp Gonsalves (Jungle Warfare Training Center)
  • Camp Hansen
  • Camp Kinser
  • Camp Lester
  • Camp McTureous
  • Camp Schwab
• Marine Corps Air Station Futenma, Okinawa
• Marine Corps Air Station Iwakuni, Yamaguchi Prefecture
• Camp Fuji, Shizuoka Prefecture
• Yomitan Auxiliary Airfield

Kuwait

• Camp Arifjan, Kuwait City

US Navy:


British Indian Ocean Territory

• Diego Garcia

Brazil

• Sao Paolo, Naval Support Detachment

Cuba

• Guantanamo Bay Naval Base

Spain

• Rota Naval Station

Japan

• United States Fleet Activities Yokosuka
• United States Fleet Activities Sasebo
• Naval Air Facility Atsugi
• Naval Forces Japan, Okinawa

Guam

• Naval Base Guam

Bahrain

• Naval Support Activity Bahrain
• Naval Detachment Dubai

Italy

• Naval Support Activity Naples, 6th fleet/Command Navy Europe U.S. 6th Fleet
• Naval Air Station Sigonella
• Naval Support Activity Geata

Greece

• Naval Support Activity Souda Bay, Souda Bay, Crete

South Korea

• Commander Naval Forces Korea Chinhae, South Korea

My point remains valid