Defense Spending?

the "wise and frugal government" that Thomas Jefferson implemented included gutting the military.

Just sayin'...
 
Hmmmm....nope. Find stuff to cut fine, but we have to keep modernizing our military, other major powers modernize with theirs, with whatever budgets they have.

So no.

What is an aircraft carrier? It is nothing more than a floating airstrip. How much modernizing do you need to float asphalt?


I saw we just stick to submarines and ICBMs...

aircraft carriers are just giant targets

I sugest you read some history. [As a sub sailor, thanks for the props]

Aircraft carriers are called "The Queens of the Sea" for a reason.

The jets they carry can fire upon moving targets, subs can take our ships and stationary land targets 'only'.

But I will tell you from first hand knowledge; I'll put our Navy up against the world, and know that we would win. We are just that much better.
 
Hmmmm....nope. Find stuff to cut fine, but we have to keep modernizing our military, other major powers modernize with theirs, with whatever budgets they have.

So no.

What is an aircraft carrier? It is nothing more than a floating airstrip. How much modernizing do you need to float asphalt?


I saw we just stick to submarines and ICBMs...

aircraft carriers are just giant targets

How could we use a sub to keep Libya from shooting at airlines, or an ICBM to keep Iran from taking over the Persian Gulf?

Those giant targets are protected by an air force that is bigger than that of most countries, not to mention the various escorts that follow them around. The last thing on this planet you want to shoot at is a US Navy carrier battle group.
 
We spend more on Defense than the rest of the world combined

Time to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan and let Europe, Japan, S Korea take care of themselves
 
:eusa_eh:

Yes... because anyone who knows anything about military strategy knows that we take turns shooting eachother and whoever has the most men and craft wins :cuckoo:

Didn't say all that, nice try tho.


Yes, you did. By insisting that we must have more carriers than they do. You think numbers are all that matters. You're another retarded Reaganite.

They matter yes, but NEVER did I say they were ALL that matters, you're an illiterate moron.
 
everything is R&D


for crap we'll never use


the best way to get government money to develop cyanide-laced toiletpaper or a new drug is to add 'for military applications' to the end of any application describing anything at all.


Cut the budget and let them decide what's important enough to finance. Economic collapse will end this country just as effectually as military defeat. If you care about national security stop borrowing money from Iran and pursue a sustainable budget

Perhaps, when I said R&D I really had (new supercarriers, fighters, tanks, etc) in mind, that IS necessary, we can't fall behind the rest of the world, namely China.

Here's a question...just how many Supercarriers do we need to defend ourselves?

I MIGHT be willing to support cutting defense spending that aint directly tied to pay and combat operations, or R&D....


everything is R&D


for crap we'll never use


the best way to get government money to develop cyanide-laced toiletpaper or a new drug is to add 'for military applications' to the end of any application describing anything at all.


Cut the budget and let them decide what's important enough to finance. Economic collapse will end this country just as effectually as military defeat. If you care about national security stop borrowing money from Iran and pursue a sustainable budget

Perhaps, when I said R&D I really had (new supercarriers, fighters, tanks, etc) in mind, that IS necessary, we can't fall behind the rest of the world, namely China.

That's what the Soviet Union said....................just before they bankrupted themselves.

We could start by cutting the military budget in half.
 
Perhaps, when I said R&D I really had (new supercarriers, fighters, tanks, etc) in mind, that IS necessary, we can't fall behind the rest of the world, namely China.

Here's a question...just how many Supercarriers do we need to defend ourselves?

everything is R&D


for crap we'll never use


the best way to get government money to develop cyanide-laced toiletpaper or a new drug is to add 'for military applications' to the end of any application describing anything at all.


Cut the budget and let them decide what's important enough to finance. Economic collapse will end this country just as effectually as military defeat. If you care about national security stop borrowing money from Iran and pursue a sustainable budget

Perhaps, when I said R&D I really had (new supercarriers, fighters, tanks, etc) in mind, that IS necessary, we can't fall behind the rest of the world, namely China.

That's what the Soviet Union said....................just before they bankrupted themselves.

We could start by cutting the military budget in half.

That's also what we said when we raced them, and won.....oh yea and DIDN'T bankrupt ourselves.
 
everything is R&D


for crap we'll never use


the best way to get government money to develop cyanide-laced toiletpaper or a new drug is to add 'for military applications' to the end of any application describing anything at all.


Cut the budget and let them decide what's important enough to finance. Economic collapse will end this country just as effectually as military defeat. If you care about national security stop borrowing money from Iran and pursue a sustainable budget

Perhaps, when I said R&D I really had (new supercarriers, fighters, tanks, etc) in mind, that IS necessary, we can't fall behind the rest of the world, namely China.
We're a long way from being surpassed by China or anyone else.

World Military Spending ? Global Issues

According to Barry, Cuba has surpassed us in the healthcare arena.
 
Here's a question...just how many Supercarriers do we need to defend ourselves?

Perhaps, when I said R&D I really had (new supercarriers, fighters, tanks, etc) in mind, that IS necessary, we can't fall behind the rest of the world, namely China.

That's what the Soviet Union said....................just before they bankrupted themselves.

We could start by cutting the military budget in half.

That's also what we said when we raced them, and won.....oh yea and DIDN'T bankrupt ourselves.

We cut the military to next to nothing after WWI. Upon entering WWII, we had more horses in the Army than vehicles.

Great idea.
 
Become neutral, bring all the troops home now, rely on nuclear missiles launched from boomers (subs) and reduce defense spending by 95%.

Put the troops on the Mexican border.
 
How can we address the deficit and debt if 36-54% of the budget is off the table for cuts?

pieFY09.gif


source


You really mean to tell me there's no waste there?

That shouldn't be the case.

Here are some ideas of mine. Got any of your own?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/economy/141647-easy-ideas-for-reducing-the-military-budget.html
 
Here's a question...just how many Supercarriers do we need to defend ourselves?

Perhaps, when I said R&D I really had (new supercarriers, fighters, tanks, etc) in mind, that IS necessary, we can't fall behind the rest of the world, namely China.

That's what the Soviet Union said....................just before they bankrupted themselves.

We could start by cutting the military budget in half.

That's also what we said when we raced them, and won.....oh yea and DIDN'T bankrupt ourselves.

You gotta be kidding. All that holds our economy and the nation together is the fact that should we default on the debt the whole world will come crumbling down. That is the only thing that keeps us selling debt.

All things come to an end. Time is running out for us. I doubt we can go another twenty years without it all unraveling.

Time for a change, and I don't mean to the massive spending conservative party that owns three fourths of our total debt.

If, or when, that happens china and Russia will be laughing their asses off.
 
No country on earth is capable of invading the US. We have not been invaded by a foreign nation in almost 200 years. The purpose of our massive military is to push our influence around the globe. Time to start making some of our economic rivals pick up the slack.
We keep the peace and they get the economic benefit

Europe, Japan, S Korea, Malasia and all the Arab oil states need to start paying their own way
 
everything is R&D


for crap we'll never use


the best way to get government money to develop cyanide-laced toiletpaper or a new drug is to add 'for military applications' to the end of any application describing anything at all.


Cut the budget and let them decide what's important enough to finance. Economic collapse will end this country just as effectually as military defeat. If you care about national security stop borrowing money from Iran and pursue a sustainable budget

Perhaps, when I said R&D I really had (new supercarriers, fighters, tanks, etc) in mind, that IS necessary, we can't fall behind the rest of the world, namely China.

Here's a question...just how many Supercarriers do we need to defend ourselves?

well we'll have 3 less than we need and had initially ordered, the gerald ford class super carrier, the next generation for the Nimitz class was initially 5, then 4...then 3 now 2. the need is based on the number of aging carries we have now, the world as it is laid out ala spheres of influence , risk etc. . we have already cut 2 carrier grp.s in the last 4 years.
 
Last edited:
Perhaps, when I said R&D I really had (new supercarriers, fighters, tanks, etc) in mind, that IS necessary, we can't fall behind the rest of the world, namely China.

Here's a question...just how many Supercarriers do we need to defend ourselves?

well we'll have 3 less than we need and had initially ordered, the gerald ford class super carrier, the next generation for the Nimitz class was initially 5, then 4...then 3 now 2. the need is based on the number of aging carries we have now, the world as it is laid out ala spheres of influence , risk etc. . we have already cut 2 carrier grp.s in the last 4 years.

We have 11 Super Carrier Task Forces. Nobody else in the world has one of similar capability
 
Here's a question...just how many Supercarriers do we need to defend ourselves?

well we'll have 3 less than we need and had initially ordered, the gerald ford class super carrier, the next generation for the Nimitz class was initially 5, then 4...then 3 now 2. the need is based on the number of aging carries we have now, the world as it is laid out ala spheres of influence , risk etc. . we have already cut 2 carrier grp.s in the last 4 years.

We have 11 Super Carrier Task Forces. Nobody else in the world has one of similar capability

no on else has similar responsibilities.




do you understand why they are important? what is your perception of their worth?


hummmmm I come with 10 super carriers:eusa_eh:
 
Last edited:
well we'll have 3 less than we need and had initially ordered, the gerald ford class super carrier, the next generation for the Nimitz class was initially 5, then 4...then 3 now 2. the need is based on the number of aging carries we have now, the world as it is laid out ala spheres of influence , risk etc. . we have already cut 2 carrier grp.s in the last 4 years.

We have 11 Super Carrier Task Forces. Nobody else in the world has one of similar capability

no on else has similar responsibilities.

do you understand why they are important? what is your perception of their worth?

Time to start "out sourcing" those responsibilities.

No reason for us to be the "world's cops" or providing security for oil companies.
 
well we'll have 3 less than we need and had initially ordered, the gerald ford class super carrier, the next generation for the Nimitz class was initially 5, then 4...then 3 now 2. the need is based on the number of aging carries we have now, the world as it is laid out ala spheres of influence , risk etc. . we have already cut 2 carrier grp.s in the last 4 years.

We have 11 Super Carrier Task Forces. Nobody else in the world has one of similar capability

no on else has similar responsibilities.




do you understand why they are important? what is your perception of their worth?


hummmmm I come with 10 super carriers:eusa_eh:

No one has else has volunteered to take on those 'responsibilities'.

Who would, with a big dumb pseudo-super power willing to do it?

And yes WHY do we? And why don't the other nations? Are we aware of some grave threat that they aren't? Do we see boogie men that are only visible to us?
 

Forum List

Back
Top