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LOLAccording to The New York Times, the United States supplied the following arms to Iran:[22]
all of which was OLD and due to be scrapped
I'm just not sure how "old and due to be scrapped" figures in any of this. The weapons were sold to an enemy of the state, Iran. There was an arms embargo imposed on them. It made no exception for old weapons or missiles.
Was the cocaine old and about to spoil too?
we allowed Isreal to sell weapons they were about to scrap
and the profits of it went to the contras
sounds like a win/win to me
btw, there may have been drugs in the scandal somewhere, but it had NOTHING to do with the weapons sale
prove North had any knowledge of the drugsLOLI'm just not sure how "old and due to be scrapped" figures in any of this. The weapons were sold to an enemy of the state, Iran. There was an arms embargo imposed on them. It made no exception for old weapons or missiles.
Was the cocaine old and about to spoil too?
we allowed Isreal to sell weapons they were about to scrap
and the profits of it went to the contras
sounds like a win/win to me
btw, there may have been drugs in the scandal somewhere, but it had NOTHING to do with the weapons sale
We resupplied Israel with everyhting it sold too.
Israel selling weapons to Iran. I can't find the appropriate emoticon for that.
I agree that the cocaine wasn't part of the weapons trade. It was just a by product of it. The planes were flying out anyway, might as well fill them up with coke. The entire question was why the CIA and Ollie looked the other way while tons of cocaine hit the streets.
In his entry for August 9, 1985, North summarizes a meeting with Robert Owen ("Rob"), his liaison with the contras. They discuss a plane used by Mario Calero, brother of Adolfo Calero, head of the FDN, to transport supplies from New Orleans to contras in Honduras. North writes: "Honduran DC-6 which is being used for runs out of New Orleans is probably being used for drug runs into U.S." As Lorraine Adams reported in the October 22, 1994 Washington Post, there are no records that corroborate North's later assertion that he passed this intelligence on drug trafficking to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.
In a July 12, 1985 entry, North noted a call from retired Air Force general Richard Secord in which the two discussed a Honduran arms warehouse from which the contras planned to purchase weapons. (The contras did eventually buy the arms, using money the Reagan administration secretly raised from Saudi Arabia.) According to the notebook, Secord told North that "14 M to finance [the arms in the warehouse] came from drugs."
An April 1, 1985 memo from Robert Owen (code-name: "T.C." for "The Courier") to Oliver North (code-name: "The Hammer") describes contra operations on the Southern Front. Owen tells North that FDN leader Adolfo Calero (code-name: "Sparkplug") has picked a new Southern Front commander, one of the former captains to Eden Pastora who has been paid to defect to the FDN. Owen reports that the officials in the new Southern Front FDN units include "people who are questionable because of past indiscretions," such as José Robelo, who is believed to have "potential involvement with drug running" and Sebastian Gonzalez, who is "now involved in drug running out of Panama."
On February 10, 1986, Owen ("TC") wrote North (this time as "BG," for "Blood and Guts") regarding a plane being used to carry "humanitarian aid" to the contras that was previously used to transport drugs. The plane belongs to the Miami-based company Vortex, which is run by Michael Palmer, one of the largest marijuana traffickers in the United States. Despite Palmer's long history of drug smuggling, which would soon lead to a Michigan indictment on drug charges, Palmer receives over $300,000.00 from the Nicaraguan Humanitarian Aid Office (NHAO) -- an office overseen by Oliver North, Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs Elliott Abrams, and CIA officer Alan Fiers -- to ferry supplies to the contras.
none of that even says what you are claimingIn his entry for August 9, 1985, North summarizes a meeting with Robert Owen ("Rob"), his liaison with the contras. They discuss a plane used by Mario Calero, brother of Adolfo Calero, head of the FDN, to transport supplies from New Orleans to contras in Honduras. North writes: "Honduran DC-6 which is being used for runs out of New Orleans is probably being used for drug runs into U.S." As Lorraine Adams reported in the October 22, 1994 Washington Post, there are no records that corroborate North's later assertion that he passed this intelligence on drug trafficking to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.
In a July 12, 1985 entry, North noted a call from retired Air Force general Richard Secord in which the two discussed a Honduran arms warehouse from which the contras planned to purchase weapons. (The contras did eventually buy the arms, using money the Reagan administration secretly raised from Saudi Arabia.) According to the notebook, Secord told North that "14 M to finance [the arms in the warehouse] came from drugs."
An April 1, 1985 memo from Robert Owen (code-name: "T.C." for "The Courier") to Oliver North (code-name: "The Hammer") describes contra operations on the Southern Front. Owen tells North that FDN leader Adolfo Calero (code-name: "Sparkplug") has picked a new Southern Front commander, one of the former captains to Eden Pastora who has been paid to defect to the FDN. Owen reports that the officials in the new Southern Front FDN units include "people who are questionable because of past indiscretions," such as José Robelo, who is believed to have "potential involvement with drug running" and Sebastian Gonzalez, who is "now involved in drug running out of Panama."
On February 10, 1986, Owen ("TC") wrote North (this time as "BG," for "Blood and Guts") regarding a plane being used to carry "humanitarian aid" to the contras that was previously used to transport drugs. The plane belongs to the Miami-based company Vortex, which is run by Michael Palmer, one of the largest marijuana traffickers in the United States. Despite Palmer's long history of drug smuggling, which would soon lead to a Michigan indictment on drug charges, Palmer receives over $300,000.00 from the Nicaraguan Humanitarian Aid Office (NHAO) -- an office overseen by Oliver North, Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs Elliott Abrams, and CIA officer Alan Fiers -- to ferry supplies to the contras.
The Oliver North File
This stuff is well established. It came from North's own journal. The fact that he got away with is about as valid as the fact that OJ got away with it.
We see a list of suppositions but know actuall proof that drugs were ever actually being transhiped north when the weapons were picked up.
no, Secord TOLD North thatYou asked me to prove that he had ANY knowledge of the drugs.
To begin with, there is no probable in the journal entry where he states plainly that 14million dollars for arms CAME FROM DRUGS. No probably there.
Read that again. It's a matter of record. Oliver North wrote in his diary that 14 million dollars for arms, CAME FROM DRUGS.
he had no knowledge, only what someone told himYou guys are a joke.
If this was a regular Joe you'd have him convicted and sentenced already.
DiveCon, you asked if North had ANY information regarding drugs. He had information regarding drugs written in his notebook. You can sidestep all you want. He had reliable information, given to him by a trusted source, and wrote it in his journal. So, you are saying that does not qualify as "any" information?
This is all over an done with. They got away with it, despite enough eye witness testimomy to send us all to jail. That's how we prove things for anyone else. It's only in this case that a bus load of witnesses are somehow not considered proof.
The Kerry Committee report were hearings chaired by Senator John Kerry which found the United States Department of State had paid drug traffickers. Some of these payments were after the traffickers had been indicted by federal law enforcement agencies on drug charges or while traffickers were under active investigation by these same agencies. The Kerry investigation lasted two and a half years and heard scores of witnesses; its report was released on April 13, 1989. [1] The final report was 400 pages, with an additional 600 page appendix. The committee stated "It is clear that individuals who provided support for the Contras were involved in drug trafficking...and elements of the Contras themselves knowingly received financial and material assistance from drug traffickers."[2]
he had no knowledge, only what someone told himYou guys are a joke.
If this was a regular Joe you'd have him convicted and sentenced already.
DiveCon, you asked if North had ANY information regarding drugs. He had information regarding drugs written in his notebook. You can sidestep all you want. He had reliable information, given to him by a trusted source, and wrote it in his journal. So, you are saying that does not qualify as "any" information?
This is all over an done with. They got away with it, despite enough eye witness testimomy to send us all to jail. That's how we prove things for anyone else. It's only in this case that a bus load of witnesses are somehow not considered proof.
no proof
And, of course, that would be you.
face it, Clinton was a myth of the leftAnd, of course, that would be you.
As yes, to be as erudite and unpartisan as you my little Chic A Dee.
Face it, Reagan is a myth of the right that is required to maintain their own self worth.
If you are just as successful with Bush, you may get US to believe he was a real president also.
