"....debt ......it doesn't necessarily matter..."

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When Albert Einstein died, he met three New Zealanders in the queue outside the Pearly Gates. To pass the time, he asked what were their IQs. The first replied 190. "Wonderful," exclaimed Einstein. "We can discuss the contribution made by Ernest Rutherford to atomic physics and my theory of general relativity".

The second answered 150. "Good," said Einstein. "I look forward to discussing the role of New Zealand's nuclear-free legislation in the quest for world peace".

The third New Zealander mumbled 50. Einstein paused, and then asked, "So what is your forecast for the budget deficit next year?"
—The Economist, June 13th 1992, p. 71



What makes the above so very perceptive is that there are huge numbers of self-proclaimed 'economists' who deny the injurious effects of high debt.





In a recent thread about debt, a self-proclaimed economics wonk revealed the that, actually, he was the bottomless pit of ignorance. He summarized his view of our national debt as ".......it doesn't necessarily matter.... so what? US public debt simply represents the total savings of the US economy - or the propensity of the private sector to save. If people correctly referred to it as national savings or equity, it would clear up a TON of confusion." ( http://www.usmessageboard.com/economy/335353-debt-and-if-i-laugh.html)

As there are actually dolts like this practically falling out of the trees, who probably believe that they have an understanding of economics, the following is necessary remediation.






1. "A record 141 million Americans shopped in stores and online from Nov. 28 to Dec. 1, 2013. That’s nearly half the American population. Millions lined up for hours outside stores, in the middle of the night, in freezing cold weather to spend money. The average shopper spent just over $407.

2. The average credit card debt is $4,878 per person. Fifty million Americans are on food stamps. Half the people in the country get some kind of financial assistance or benefit from the government.
And 27 percent of Americans have no emergency savings.

3. In 2010, [Liberal Democrat] House Majority Whip Rep. James Clyburn made a telling statement: “We’re not going to save our way out of this recession. We’ve got to spend our way out of this recession, and I think most economists know that.”






4. Most of America’s debt is now financed by the U.S. We print trillions of dollars to finance our addiction to spending. This is why inflation will get much worse and why the dollar is becoming worthless.

Global Research reported on November 20 that between Oct. 1 and Nov. 14, 2013, America rolled over $1 trillion in debt. “Rolled over” is a nice way of saying that America had to borrow more than $1 trillion of new money to pay off old loans that were coming due. Borrowing new money from investors to pay back money to old investors is the definition of a Ponzi scheme.





5. .... interest rates are lower than they have ever been. But eventually it will come to a crashing end—as all Ponzi schemes ultimately do. America spends about $220 billion per year on interest.

6. But interest rates are being artificially suppressed by Federal Reserve money printing. Eventually, rates will be forced to rise. Right now the benchmark interest rate in the U.S. is a quarter of 1 percent—nearly zero. What if it returns to 6 percent like it was about a decade ago? All of a sudden America will be paying $1 trillion per year in interest! That is more than a quarter of America’s total budget. And all of this would come at a time when Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security costs are skyrocketing.





7 . ... these millions of American consumers accumulated hundreds and thousands of dollars of additional debt—spending money they don’t have on gizmos and goods they don’t need.

8. Americans owe $800 billion on their vehicles. Far too many people are driving brand new $40,000 trucks while making only $35,000 a year, and they borrow to make this happen....New vehicles lose 70% of their value after just four years..... the typical American is too distracted by sports, pop culture and other trivial things to care."
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/11230.24.161.0/economy/is-americas-economy-improving





"....debt ......it doesn't necessarily matter..."


“Some ideas are so stupid, only an intellectual could believe them.” George Orwell
 
Using a Ponzi scheme method (keep borrowing money to pay off old debts) is absurd. So is continuously printing more money as it increases inflation. Not to mention spending our way out of debt.

The best strategy to try and recover from debt is to drastically cut back on spending. This applies to both the government and the private citizen. We need to get over our addiction on spending.
 
Using a Ponzi scheme method (keep borrowing money to pay off old debts) is absurd. So is continuously printing more money as it increases inflation. Not to mention spending our way out of debt.

The best strategy to try and recover from debt is to drastically cut back on spending. This applies to both the government and the private citizen. We need to get over our addiction on spending.

I agree....that's why the juxtaposition of the individual's debt and government debt.

Unfortunately, I don't see any frugality on the horizon.
 
1. "A record 141 million Americans shopped in stores and online from Nov. 28 to Dec. 1, 2013. That’s nearly half the American population. Millions lined up for hours outside stores, in the middle of the night, in freezing cold weather to spend money. The average shopper spent just over $407.

So these figures exclude those who may have shopped multiple times and/or in more than one location?

And 27 percent of Americans have no emergency savings.

So 73% DO have emergency savings. That's a pretty overwhelming majority.

3. In 2010, [Liberal Democrat] House Majority Whip Rep. James Clyburn made a telling statement: “We’re not going to save our way out of this recession. We’ve got to spend our way out of this recession, and I think most economists know that.”

If nobody spent, the economy would collapse. Economic activity necessarily requires exchange. If everyone just socks away cash rather than exchanging it for something, then economic activity ceases.


6. But interest rates are being artificially suppressed by Federal Reserve money printing.

To what degree?

Eventually, rates will be forced to rise. Right now the benchmark interest rate in the U.S. is a quarter of 1 percent—nearly zero. What if it returns to 6 percent like it was about a decade ago?

What if it stays at near 0 for 10 more years or never rises again?

Why assume that there is (1) a natural rate of interest and (2) that that rate cannot possibly be 0 or even < 0. It's just assumed that the future will be like the past and since rates have averaged 6% in the past then they will in the future. You do realize rates have been falling since the 80's, right? At what point do you conclude that they are trending to their natural rate? What makes you think rates will mean revert one day to their natural rate but that they haven't been doing so for 30 years? It seems at some point you begin to think that maybe the natural rate in a fiat money system like ours might be 0.

8. Americans owe $800 billion on their vehicles. Far too many people are driving brand new $40,000 trucks while making only $35,000 a year, and they borrow to make this happen

Define "far too many." Are you describing real statistics in your scenario or a straw man?
 
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1. "A record 141 million Americans shopped in stores and online from Nov. 28 to Dec. 1, 2013. That’s nearly half the American population. Millions lined up for hours outside stores, in the middle of the night, in freezing cold weather to spend money. The average shopper spent just over $407.

So these figures exclude those who may have shopped multiple times and/or in more than one location?

And 27 percent of Americans have no emergency savings.

So 73% DO have emergency savings. That's a pretty overwhelming majority.



If nobody spent, the economy would collapse. Economic activity necessarily requires exchange. If everyone just socks away cash rather than exchanging it for something, then economic activity ceases.




To what degree?

Eventually, rates will be forced to rise. Right now the benchmark interest rate in the U.S. is a quarter of 1 percent—nearly zero. What if it returns to 6 percent like it was about a decade ago?

What if it stays at near 0 for 10 more years or never rises again?

Why assume that there is (1) a natural rate of interest and (2) that that rate cannot possibly be 0 or even < 0. It's just assumed that the future will be like the past and since rates have averaged 6% in the past then they will in the future. You do realize rates have been falling since the 80's, right? At what point do you conclude that they are trending to their natural rate? What makes you think rates will mean revert one day to their natural rate but that they haven't been doing so for 30 years? It seems at some point you begin to think that maybe the natural rate in a fiat money system like ours might be 0.

8. Americans owe $800 billion on their vehicles. Far too many people are driving brand new $40,000 trucks while making only $35,000 a year, and they borrow to make this happen

Define "far too many." Are you describing real statistics in your scenario or a straw man?





What I'm doing is highlighting a real problem, both for the individual, and for the national government.


Of course a dunce like you is perfectly willing to go along with the view that big daddy government will always take care of widdle biddy you.


Would I be correct in assuming that you are a product of government schooling?
Thought so.
 
Debt seemed to bother Democrats when Bush was in office.
Not so much now it seems..

Repubs are not who we should look to for fiscal wisdom.

It was Cheeney the Dick who said that 'deficits don't matter'.

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Debt seemed to bother Democrats when Bush was in office.
Not so much now it seems..

Repubs are not who we should look to for fiscal wisdom.

It was Cheeney the Dick who said that 'deficits don't matter'.

... and ...

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... and ...

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OK....now watch me destroy your absurd post.

Facts:


1.More than 6.7 million more Americans have been plunged into poverty since Obama became President.

2.Real household income is down 5%

3. Consumer prices are up 10.2%

4. Total federal debt is up 58%

5. Gasoline prices are up 82%

6. Food stamp recipients up 49%

7. Debt held by the public is up 89%

8. As of last year, 46,496,000 persons lived in households with income below the official poverty line, an increase of nearly 6.7 million since 2008 and 249,000 since 2011. The total poverty rate remained unchanged in 2012 at 15 percent of the total U.S. population. So for the second straight year, the poverty rate was 1.8 points higher than it was in 2008.
Obama?s Numbers, October Update



9... in today&#8217;s recovery &#8212; the slowest in the modern era going back to 1947 &#8212; private capital investment has lagged badly. ... so has the jobs situation, with 92 million dropping out of the workforce altogether. A labor-participation rate of 62.8% and an employment-to-population rate of 58% are historic lows indicative of the anemic jobs recovery. Big Business Swings Behind a Mantra of Growth - The New York Sun



10. Tavis Smiley: 'Black People Will Have Lost Ground in Every Single Economic Indicator' Under Obama
Tavis Smiley: 'Black People Will Have Lost Ground in Every Single Economic Indicator' Under Obama | NewsBusters



11. . ".... the... [dollar] has today a value of barely a 1,250th of an ounce of gold, a staggering plunge from an 853rd of an ounce on the day Mr. Obama took office...." Fiat Wages - The New York Sun




How ya' like them apples, booyyyyyyyyeeee?
 
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The economy is in better shape now than when bush left office, that's for sure. Republicans can't see this, since they're so filled with hate over a democrat, especially a black one, in the white house. Poor PC's posting career would be over without google/cutpast. The only weapon in her arsenal.
 
When Albert Einstein died, he met three New Zealanders in the queue outside the Pearly Gates. To pass the time, he asked what were their IQs. The first replied 190. "Wonderful," exclaimed Einstein. "We can discuss the contribution made by Ernest Rutherford to atomic physics and my theory of general relativity".

The second answered 150. "Good," said Einstein. "I look forward to discussing the role of New Zealand's nuclear-free legislation in the quest for world peace".

The third New Zealander mumbled 50. Einstein paused, and then asked, "So what is your forecast for the budget deficit next year?"
&#8212;The Economist, June 13th 1992, p. 71



What makes the above so very perceptive is that there are huge numbers of self-proclaimed 'economists' who deny the injurious effects of high debt.





In a recent thread about debt, a self-proclaimed economics wonk revealed the that, actually, he was the bottomless pit of ignorance. He summarized his view of our national debt as ".......it doesn't necessarily matter.... so what? US public debt simply represents the total savings of the US economy - or the propensity of the private sector to save. If people correctly referred to it as national savings or equity, it would clear up a TON of confusion." ( http://www.usmessageboard.com/economy/335353-debt-and-if-i-laugh.html)

As there are actually dolts like this practically falling out of the trees, who probably believe that they have an understanding of economics, the following is necessary remediation.






1. "A record 141 million Americans shopped in stores and online from Nov. 28 to Dec. 1, 2013. That&#8217;s nearly half the American population. Millions lined up for hours outside stores, in the middle of the night, in freezing cold weather to spend money. The average shopper spent just over $407.

2. The average credit card debt is $4,878 per person. Fifty million Americans are on food stamps. Half the people in the country get some kind of financial assistance or benefit from the government.
And 27 percent of Americans have no emergency savings.

3. In 2010, [Liberal Democrat] House Majority Whip Rep. James Clyburn made a telling statement: &#8220;We&#8217;re not going to save our way out of this recession. We&#8217;ve got to spend our way out of this recession, and I think most economists know that.&#8221;






4. Most of America&#8217;s debt is now financed by the U.S. We print trillions of dollars to finance our addiction to spending. This is why inflation will get much worse and why the dollar is becoming worthless.

Global Research reported on November 20 that between Oct.&#8201;1 and Nov. 14, 2013, America rolled over $1 trillion in debt. &#8220;Rolled over&#8221; is a nice way of saying that America had to borrow more than $1 trillion of new money to pay off old loans that were coming due. Borrowing new money from investors to pay back money to old investors is the definition of a Ponzi scheme.





5. .... interest rates are lower than they have ever been. But eventually it will come to a crashing end&#8212;as all Ponzi schemes ultimately do. America spends about $220 billion per year on interest.

6. But interest rates are being artificially suppressed by Federal Reserve money printing. Eventually, rates will be forced to rise. Right now the benchmark interest rate in the U.S. is a quarter of 1 percent&#8212;nearly zero. What if it returns to 6 percent like it was about a decade ago? All of a sudden America will be paying $1 trillion per year in interest! That is more than a quarter of America&#8217;s total budget. And all of this would come at a time when Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security costs are skyrocketing.





7 . ... these millions of American consumers accumulated hundreds and thousands of dollars of additional debt&#8212;spending money they don&#8217;t have on gizmos and goods they don&#8217;t need.

8. Americans owe $800 billion on their vehicles. Far too many people are driving brand new $40,000 trucks while making only $35,000 a year, and they borrow to make this happen....New vehicles lose 70% of their value after just four years..... the typical American is too distracted by sports, pop culture and other trivial things to care."
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/11230.24.161.0/economy/is-americas-economy-improving





"....debt ......it doesn't necessarily matter..."


&#8220;Some ideas are so stupid, only an intellectual could believe them.&#8221; George Orwell

You can't compare the finances of households (currency users) to national government like the US, Canada, the UK, Australia, etc. (currency issuers).

For the umpteenth time, and for the love of God, the US government doesn't borrow its own fiat. The US government issues the currency, other countries and individuals simply desire to save in US financial assets. Are you implying there's some other source for US dollars besides the federal government?

Also, how does the FED artificially suppress interest rates? They set the interest rate all along the term structure as a matter of policy. This is one the main reasons we have a central bank.
 
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When Albert Einstein died, he met three New Zealanders in the queue outside the Pearly Gates. To pass the time, he asked what were their IQs. The first replied 190. "Wonderful," exclaimed Einstein. "We can discuss the contribution made by Ernest Rutherford to atomic physics and my theory of general relativity".

The second answered 150. "Good," said Einstein. "I look forward to discussing the role of New Zealand's nuclear-free legislation in the quest for world peace".

The third New Zealander mumbled 50. Einstein paused, and then asked, "So what is your forecast for the budget deficit next year?"
&#8212;The Economist, June 13th 1992, p. 71



What makes the above so very perceptive is that there are huge numbers of self-proclaimed 'economists' who deny the injurious effects of high debt.





In a recent thread about debt, a self-proclaimed economics wonk revealed the that, actually, he was the bottomless pit of ignorance. He summarized his view of our national debt as ".......it doesn't necessarily matter.... so what? US public debt simply represents the total savings of the US economy - or the propensity of the private sector to save. If people correctly referred to it as national savings or equity, it would clear up a TON of confusion." ( http://www.usmessageboard.com/economy/335353-debt-and-if-i-laugh.html)

As there are actually dolts like this practically falling out of the trees, who probably believe that they have an understanding of economics, the following is necessary remediation.






1. "A record 141 million Americans shopped in stores and online from Nov. 28 to Dec. 1, 2013. That&#8217;s nearly half the American population. Millions lined up for hours outside stores, in the middle of the night, in freezing cold weather to spend money. The average shopper spent just over $407.

2. The average credit card debt is $4,878 per person. Fifty million Americans are on food stamps. Half the people in the country get some kind of financial assistance or benefit from the government.
And 27 percent of Americans have no emergency savings.

3. In 2010, [Liberal Democrat] House Majority Whip Rep. James Clyburn made a telling statement: &#8220;We&#8217;re not going to save our way out of this recession. We&#8217;ve got to spend our way out of this recession, and I think most economists know that.&#8221;






4. Most of America&#8217;s debt is now financed by the U.S. We print trillions of dollars to finance our addiction to spending. This is why inflation will get much worse and why the dollar is becoming worthless.

Global Research reported on November 20 that between Oct.&#8201;1 and Nov. 14, 2013, America rolled over $1 trillion in debt. &#8220;Rolled over&#8221; is a nice way of saying that America had to borrow more than $1 trillion of new money to pay off old loans that were coming due. Borrowing new money from investors to pay back money to old investors is the definition of a Ponzi scheme.





5. .... interest rates are lower than they have ever been. But eventually it will come to a crashing end&#8212;as all Ponzi schemes ultimately do. America spends about $220 billion per year on interest.

6. But interest rates are being artificially suppressed by Federal Reserve money printing. Eventually, rates will be forced to rise. Right now the benchmark interest rate in the U.S. is a quarter of 1 percent&#8212;nearly zero. What if it returns to 6 percent like it was about a decade ago? All of a sudden America will be paying $1 trillion per year in interest! That is more than a quarter of America&#8217;s total budget. And all of this would come at a time when Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security costs are skyrocketing.





7 . ... these millions of American consumers accumulated hundreds and thousands of dollars of additional debt&#8212;spending money they don&#8217;t have on gizmos and goods they don&#8217;t need.

8. Americans owe $800 billion on their vehicles. Far too many people are driving brand new $40,000 trucks while making only $35,000 a year, and they borrow to make this happen....New vehicles lose 70% of their value after just four years..... the typical American is too distracted by sports, pop culture and other trivial things to care."
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/11230.24.161.0/economy/is-americas-economy-improving





"....debt ......it doesn't necessarily matter..."


&#8220;Some ideas are so stupid, only an intellectual could believe them.&#8221; George Orwell

The actual joke goes like this:

When Albert Einstein died, he met three New Zealanders in the queue outside the Pearly Gates. To pass the time, he asked what were their IQs. The first replied 190. "Wonderful," exclaimed Einstein. "We can discuss the contribution made by Ernest Rutherford to atomic physics and my theory of general relativity".

The second answered 150. "Good," said Einstein. "I look forward to discussing the role of New Zealand's nuclear-free legislation in the quest for world peace".

The third New Zealander mumbled 50. Einstein paused, and then said, "How about them Cowboys". KNBR Radio, The Sports Station; January, 1982 after Dwight Clark made "The Catch".
 
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What I'm doing is highlighting a real problem, both for the individual, and for the national government.

So, you don't have a response to some of the things I pointed out.

Of course a dunce like you is perfectly willing to go along with the view that big daddy government will always take care of widdle biddy you.


Would I be correct in assuming that you are a product of government schooling?
Thought so.

LOL. Perfect.
 
When Albert Einstein died, he met three New Zealanders in the queue outside the Pearly Gates. To pass the time, he asked what were their IQs. The first replied 190. "Wonderful," exclaimed Einstein. "We can discuss the contribution made by Ernest Rutherford to atomic physics and my theory of general relativity".

The second answered 150. "Good," said Einstein. "I look forward to discussing the role of New Zealand's nuclear-free legislation in the quest for world peace".

The third New Zealander mumbled 50. Einstein paused, and then asked, "So what is your forecast for the budget deficit next year?"
—The Economist, June 13th 1992, p. 71



What makes the above so very perceptive is that there are huge numbers of self-proclaimed 'economists' who deny the injurious effects of high debt.





In a recent thread about debt, a self-proclaimed economics wonk revealed the that, actually, he was the bottomless pit of ignorance. He summarized his view of our national debt as ".......it doesn't necessarily matter.... so what? US public debt simply represents the total savings of the US economy - or the propensity of the private sector to save. If people correctly referred to it as national savings or equity, it would clear up a TON of confusion." ( http://www.usmessageboard.com/economy/335353-debt-and-if-i-laugh.html)

As there are actually dolts like this practically falling out of the trees, who probably believe that they have an understanding of economics, the following is necessary remediation.






1. "A record 141 million Americans shopped in stores and online from Nov. 28 to Dec. 1, 2013. That’s nearly half the American population. Millions lined up for hours outside stores, in the middle of the night, in freezing cold weather to spend money. The average shopper spent just over $407.

2. The average credit card debt is $4,878 per person. Fifty million Americans are on food stamps. Half the people in the country get some kind of financial assistance or benefit from the government.
And 27 percent of Americans have no emergency savings.

3. In 2010, [Liberal Democrat] House Majority Whip Rep. James Clyburn made a telling statement: “We’re not going to save our way out of this recession. We’ve got to spend our way out of this recession, and I think most economists know that.”






4. Most of America’s debt is now financed by the U.S. We print trillions of dollars to finance our addiction to spending. This is why inflation will get much worse and why the dollar is becoming worthless.

Global Research reported on November 20 that between Oct.&#8201;1 and Nov. 14, 2013, America rolled over $1 trillion in debt. “Rolled over” is a nice way of saying that America had to borrow more than $1 trillion of new money to pay off old loans that were coming due. Borrowing new money from investors to pay back money to old investors is the definition of a Ponzi scheme.





5. .... interest rates are lower than they have ever been. But eventually it will come to a crashing end—as all Ponzi schemes ultimately do. America spends about $220 billion per year on interest.

6. But interest rates are being artificially suppressed by Federal Reserve money printing. Eventually, rates will be forced to rise. Right now the benchmark interest rate in the U.S. is a quarter of 1 percent—nearly zero. What if it returns to 6 percent like it was about a decade ago? All of a sudden America will be paying $1 trillion per year in interest! That is more than a quarter of America’s total budget. And all of this would come at a time when Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security costs are skyrocketing.





7 . ... these millions of American consumers accumulated hundreds and thousands of dollars of additional debt—spending money they don’t have on gizmos and goods they don’t need.

8. Americans owe $800 billion on their vehicles. Far too many people are driving brand new $40,000 trucks while making only $35,000 a year, and they borrow to make this happen....New vehicles lose 70% of their value after just four years..... the typical American is too distracted by sports, pop culture and other trivial things to care."
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/11230.24.161.0/economy/is-americas-economy-improving





"....debt ......it doesn't necessarily matter..."


“Some ideas are so stupid, only an intellectual could believe them.” George Orwell

You can't compare the finances of households (currency users) to national government like the US, Canada, the UK, Australia, etc. (currency issuers).

For the umpteenth time, and for the love of God, the US government doesn't borrow its own fiat. The US government issues the currency, other countries and individuals simply desire to save in US financial assets. Are you implying there's some other source for US dollars besides the federal government?

Also, how does the FED artificially suppress interest rates? They set the interest rate all along the term structure as a matter of policy. This is one the main reasons we have a central bank.




Don't you want to claim ownership of the passage

"In a recent thread about debt, a self-proclaimed economics wonk revealed the that, actually, he was the bottomless pit of ignorance. He summarized his view of our national debt as ".......it doesn't necessarily matter.... so what? US public debt simply represents the total savings of the US economy - or the propensity of the private sector to save. If people correctly referred to it as national savings or equity, it would clear up a TON of confusion." ( http://www.usmessageboard.com/economy/335353-debt-and-if-i-laugh.html)




I'm fine referring to you as a moron.....

....wear it well.
 
When Albert Einstein died, he met three New Zealanders in the queue outside the Pearly Gates. To pass the time, he asked what were their IQs. The first replied 190. "Wonderful," exclaimed Einstein. "We can discuss the contribution made by Ernest Rutherford to atomic physics and my theory of general relativity".

The second answered 150. "Good," said Einstein. "I look forward to discussing the role of New Zealand's nuclear-free legislation in the quest for world peace".

The third New Zealander mumbled 50. Einstein paused, and then asked, "So what is your forecast for the budget deficit next year?"
&#8212;The Economist, June 13th 1992, p. 71



What makes the above so very perceptive is that there are huge numbers of self-proclaimed 'economists' who deny the injurious effects of high debt.





In a recent thread about debt, a self-proclaimed economics wonk revealed the that, actually, he was the bottomless pit of ignorance. He summarized his view of our national debt as ".......it doesn't necessarily matter.... so what? US public debt simply represents the total savings of the US economy - or the propensity of the private sector to save. If people correctly referred to it as national savings or equity, it would clear up a TON of confusion." ( http://www.usmessageboard.com/economy/335353-debt-and-if-i-laugh.html)

As there are actually dolts like this practically falling out of the trees, who probably believe that they have an understanding of economics, the following is necessary remediation.






1. "A record 141 million Americans shopped in stores and online from Nov. 28 to Dec. 1, 2013. That&#8217;s nearly half the American population. Millions lined up for hours outside stores, in the middle of the night, in freezing cold weather to spend money. The average shopper spent just over $407.

2. The average credit card debt is $4,878 per person. Fifty million Americans are on food stamps. Half the people in the country get some kind of financial assistance or benefit from the government.
And 27 percent of Americans have no emergency savings.

3. In 2010, [Liberal Democrat] House Majority Whip Rep. James Clyburn made a telling statement: &#8220;We&#8217;re not going to save our way out of this recession. We&#8217;ve got to spend our way out of this recession, and I think most economists know that.&#8221;






4. Most of America&#8217;s debt is now financed by the U.S. We print trillions of dollars to finance our addiction to spending. This is why inflation will get much worse and why the dollar is becoming worthless.

Global Research reported on November 20 that between Oct.&#8201;1 and Nov. 14, 2013, America rolled over $1 trillion in debt. &#8220;Rolled over&#8221; is a nice way of saying that America had to borrow more than $1 trillion of new money to pay off old loans that were coming due. Borrowing new money from investors to pay back money to old investors is the definition of a Ponzi scheme.





5. .... interest rates are lower than they have ever been. But eventually it will come to a crashing end&#8212;as all Ponzi schemes ultimately do. America spends about $220 billion per year on interest.

6. But interest rates are being artificially suppressed by Federal Reserve money printing. Eventually, rates will be forced to rise. Right now the benchmark interest rate in the U.S. is a quarter of 1 percent&#8212;nearly zero. What if it returns to 6 percent like it was about a decade ago? All of a sudden America will be paying $1 trillion per year in interest! That is more than a quarter of America&#8217;s total budget. And all of this would come at a time when Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security costs are skyrocketing.





7 . ... these millions of American consumers accumulated hundreds and thousands of dollars of additional debt&#8212;spending money they don&#8217;t have on gizmos and goods they don&#8217;t need.

8. Americans owe $800 billion on their vehicles. Far too many people are driving brand new $40,000 trucks while making only $35,000 a year, and they borrow to make this happen....New vehicles lose 70% of their value after just four years..... the typical American is too distracted by sports, pop culture and other trivial things to care."
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/11230.24.161.0/economy/is-americas-economy-improving





"....debt ......it doesn't necessarily matter..."


&#8220;Some ideas are so stupid, only an intellectual could believe them.&#8221; George Orwell

You can't compare the finances of households (currency users) to national government like the US, Canada, the UK, Australia, etc. (currency issuers).

For the umpteenth time, and for the love of God, the US government doesn't borrow its own fiat. The US government issues the currency, other countries and individuals simply desire to save in US financial assets. Are you implying there's some other source for US dollars besides the federal government?

Also, how does the FED artificially suppress interest rates? They set the interest rate all along the term structure as a matter of policy. This is one the main reasons we have a central bank.




Don't you want to claim ownership of the passage

"In a recent thread about debt, a self-proclaimed economics wonk revealed the that, actually, he was the bottomless pit of ignorance. He summarized his view of our national debt as ".......it doesn't necessarily matter.... so what? US public debt simply represents the total savings of the US economy - or the propensity of the private sector to save. If people correctly referred to it as national savings or equity, it would clear up a TON of confusion." ( http://www.usmessageboard.com/economy/335353-debt-and-if-i-laugh.html)




I'm fine referring to you as a moron.....

....wear it well.

And EVERYONE can read my responses in that thread. I literally attempted to do you a favor by explaining some very basic concepts. So yeah, the only constraint is that of inflation. Essentially, the size of the deficit, given the current macroeconomic malaise, is largely not a problem, unless you think we'll magically be at full employment tomorrow. :cuckoo:

The sad part is you're clueless and you don't even realize it.
 
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