Death toll from Saudi hajj stampede now at least 2,411, three times the number reported by kingdom

[Sally]

This shows that when there are too many people trying to get to one spot, terrible accidents like this happen. Saudi officials are really going to have to restrict access to prevent this from happening again.


Death toll from Saudi hajj stampede now at least 2,411, three times the number reported by kingdom
Published December 10, 2015
Associated Press
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The September stampede during the hajj in Saudi Arabia killed at least 2,411 pilgrims, a new Associated Press count shows, three times the number of deaths acknowledged by the kingdom three months later.

The AP figures establish the Sept. 24 crush at Mina as the deadliest in the history of the annual pilgrimage. It occurred just weeks after a fatal crane collapse in Mecca.

Saudi Arabia rebuffed criticism from its regional Shiite rival Iran and efforts by other countries to join a probe into the deaths. And while King Salman ordered an investigation into the tragedy almost immediately, few details have been made public since.

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Death toll from Saudi hajj stampede now at least 2,411, three times the number reported by kingdom

 

[waltky]

No hajj for Iranians this year...

For first time in 25 years, Iranians will not make Hajj pilgrimage over conflict with Saudi Arabia
May 12, 2016 - The rival countries have been at increasing odds after more than 460 Iranians died during last year's pilgrimage to Mecca and the execution of Shiite leader in Saudi Arabia in January.

For the first time in 25 years, Iranians will not be able to participate in the Hajj, the annual pilgrimage of Muslims to Mecca, because of strained relations with Saudi Arabia stemming from the deaths of thousands of pilgrims last year. Tehran announced Thursday that the pilgrimage will be canceled for Iranians because Saudi Arabia has declined to issue visas to Iranian citizens and could not guarantee their safety if they went, according to state officials. The Iranians wanted Saudi Arabia to issue visas through the Swiss embassy in Tehran, which has handled Saudi business in Iran since diplomatic ties between the countries were severed in January, The BBC reported. Saudi Arabia refused, suggesting that Iranians travel to a third country to secure visas.

The two countries have always been rivals in the Persian Gulf region -- Iran is a majority Shiite Muslim nation, while Saudi Arabia is Sunni -- however the deaths of at least 2,000 people last year in Mecca, including 464 Iranians, have ratcheted up vitriol as Iran strongly criticized Saudi handling of stampedes during last year's Hajj. Ayatollah Abdolkarim Mousavi Ardebili, a senior Shiite leader in Iran, said his country first attempted to work with Saudi officials four months ago, sending a delegation which he said was improperly treated and no common ground was reached on proposals for visa applications, air transport and security for pilgrims from Iran. "Saudi officials made no promises about issuing visas for the Iranian pilgrims and said that they should go to a third country to receive a Saudi visa, and this showed that the ground is not prepared for performing Hajj pilgrimage by Iranians this year," Ardebili said, according to a report from the state-run Islamic Republic News Agency.

Relations between Iran and Saudi Arabia started breaking down after last year's Hajj, with strong Iranian criticism of the Saudis. The governments also have been on opposite ends of conflicts in Yemen and Syria, on top of their long religious, political and military rivalry. The execution of Sheik Nimr Baqr al-Nimr, a leader of the minority Shiite population in Saudi Arabia, caused protests in Iran and led to protesters storming two Saudi diplomatic sites. Saudi Arabia closed its diplomatic missions in Iran as a result, which led to the current issue over Iranian pilgrims' ability to attend the Hajj, the Washington Post reported. "We did whatever we could but it was the Saudis who sabotaged," said Ali Jannati, Iran's minister of culture and Islamic guidance. "Now the time is lost." The last time Iranian citizens did not attend the Hajj was 1989, after the country accused Saudi forces of previously killing more than 400 of its pilgrims.

For first time in 25 years, Iranians will not make Hajj pilgrimage over conflict with Saudi Arabia

 

[waltky]

Iran and Saudis fail to solve Hajj row...

Iran pilgrims to miss Hajj amid row with Saudi Arabia
Sun, 29 May 2016 - Iran and Saudi Arabia fail to solve a row over the Hajj pilgrimage and Iranian citizens will not travel to Mecca this year, Tehran says

Iranian Culture Minister Ali Jannati blamed "obstacles raised by the Saudis". Saudi Arabia blamed "unacceptable" Iranian conditions. Hundreds of pilgrims died - many of them Iranians - in a stampede at the Muslim pilgrimage last year. But the rivals are split on many other issues, with relations cut in January. Mr Jannati said that "after two series of negotiations without any results because of obstacles raised by the Saudis, Iranian pilgrims will unfortunately not be able to take part in the Hajj" in September.

Pilgrims cast stones at a pillar representing the devil - the last major rite of the Hajj, in Mina, Saudi Arabia​

The Iranian Hajj Organisation said: "Saudi Arabia is opposing the absolute right of Iranians to go on the Hajj and is blocking the path leading to Allah." It blamed the Saudis for failing to meet Iranian demands for "the security and respect" of Iranian pilgrims. Visa issues and flights to Saudi Arabia were thought to be key problems. Some 60,000 Iranians attended last year. The Saudi Hajj ministry insisted it had offered "many solutions" to Iran's demands during two days of talks that ended on Friday. The Saudi foreign ministry said Iran's Hajj conditions were "unacceptable".

Islam requires devout Muslims to perform the Hajj pilgrimage at least once if they are able. In January, Saudi Arabia broke off diplomatic ties with Iran, amid a row over the Saudi execution of a prominent Shia Muslim cleric. The Saudis executed Sheikh Nimr al-Nimr and 46 others after they were convicted of terror-related offences. In response, Iranian protesters stormed the Saudi embassy in Tehran, setting fire to the building. Shia-dominated Iran and predominately Sunni Saudi Arabia are long-standing regional rivals who back opposing sides in the conflicts in Syrian and Yemen.

Iran pilgrims to miss Hajj amid row with Saudi Arabia - BBC News

 

[irosie91]

they are welcome to come to CONEY ISLAND-------Nathan's is offering hot dogs for a NICKLE ---------a lot more fun than a mecca trek

 

[Roudy]

This shows that when there are too many people trying to get to one spot, terrible accidents like this happen. Saudi officials are really going to have to restrict access to prevent this from happening again.


Death toll from Saudi hajj stampede now at least 2,411, three times the number reported by kingdom
Published December 10, 2015
Associated Press
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The September stampede during the hajj in Saudi Arabia killed at least 2,411 pilgrims, a new Associated Press count shows, three times the number of deaths acknowledged by the kingdom three months later.

The AP figures establish the Sept. 24 crush at Mina as the deadliest in the history of the annual pilgrimage. It occurred just weeks after a fatal crane collapse in Mecca.

Saudi Arabia rebuffed criticism from its regional Shiite rival Iran and efforts by other countries to join a probe into the deaths. And while King Salman ordered an investigation into the tragedy almost immediately, few details have been made public since.

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Death toll from Saudi hajj stampede now at least 2,411, three times the number reported by kingdom

Damn! Did I miss the latest jackass stampede? On a Side note I think selling cleated flip flops to righteous Muslims would be a great startup idea in Mecca.

 

[Roudy]

Iran and Saudis fail to solve Hajj row...

Iran pilgrims to miss Hajj amid row with Saudi Arabia
Sun, 29 May 2016 - Iran and Saudi Arabia fail to solve a row over the Hajj pilgrimage and Iranian citizens will not travel to Mecca this year, Tehran says

Iranian Culture Minister Ali Jannati blamed "obstacles raised by the Saudis". Saudi Arabia blamed "unacceptable" Iranian conditions. Hundreds of pilgrims died - many of them Iranians - in a stampede at the Muslim pilgrimage last year. But the rivals are split on many other issues, with relations cut in January. Mr Jannati said that "after two series of negotiations without any results because of obstacles raised by the Saudis, Iranian pilgrims will unfortunately not be able to take part in the Hajj" in September.

Pilgrims cast stones at a pillar representing the devil - the last major rite of the Hajj, in Mina, Saudi Arabia​

The Iranian Hajj Organisation said: "Saudi Arabia is opposing the absolute right of Iranians to go on the Hajj and is blocking the path leading to Allah." It blamed the Saudis for failing to meet Iranian demands for "the security and respect" of Iranian pilgrims. Visa issues and flights to Saudi Arabia were thought to be key problems. Some 60,000 Iranians attended last year. The Saudi Hajj ministry insisted it had offered "many solutions" to Iran's demands during two days of talks that ended on Friday. The Saudi foreign ministry said Iran's Hajj conditions were "unacceptable".

Islam requires devout Muslims to perform the Hajj pilgrimage at least once if they are able. In January, Saudi Arabia broke off diplomatic ties with Iran, amid a row over the Saudi execution of a prominent Shia Muslim cleric. The Saudis executed Sheikh Nimr al-Nimr and 46 others after they were convicted of terror-related offences. In response, Iranian protesters stormed the Saudi embassy in Tehran, setting fire to the building. Shia-dominated Iran and predominately Sunni Saudi Arabia are long-standing regional rivals who back opposing sides in the conflicts in Syrian and Yemen.

Iran pilgrims to miss Hajj amid row with Saudi Arabia - BBC News

LOL. They should be happy they didn't attend. One less species of stampeding jackass.

 

[irosie91]

they stampeded? ALREADY?

 

[irosie91]

they stampeded? ALREADY?

oh---that was the one last year

 

[bodecea]

This shows that when there are too many people trying to get to one spot, terrible accidents like this happen. Saudi officials are really going to have to restrict access to prevent this from happening again.


Death toll from Saudi hajj stampede now at least 2,411, three times the number reported by kingdom
Published December 10, 2015
Associated Press
Facebook27 Twitter0 Email Print

The September stampede during the hajj in Saudi Arabia killed at least 2,411 pilgrims, a new Associated Press count shows, three times the number of deaths acknowledged by the kingdom three months later.

The AP figures establish the Sept. 24 crush at Mina as the deadliest in the history of the annual pilgrimage. It occurred just weeks after a fatal crane collapse in Mecca.

Saudi Arabia rebuffed criticism from its regional Shiite rival Iran and efforts by other countries to join a probe into the deaths. And while King Salman ordered an investigation into the tragedy almost immediately, few details have been made public since.

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Death toll from Saudi hajj stampede now at least 2,411, three times the number reported by kingdom

Meh....crazy religionists.

 

[irosie91]

I hope there are no stampedes in Coney Island-------hot dogs for a nickel-----
-----its a SET-UP

 

[Roudy]

I think if they make it a pay-per-view event they'll be hundreds of millions in ticket sales. Just saying. I'm getting front row seats!

 

[irosie91]

I think if they make it a pay-per-view event they'll be hundreds of millions in ticket sales. Just saying. I'm getting front row seats!

It couldn't have happened yet-----ramadingdong------does not start for another week

they keep talking about PAST HOLY STAMPEDES

 

[sealybobo]

I think if they make it a pay-per-view event they'll be hundreds of millions in ticket sales. Just saying. I'm getting front row seats!

Then you'll be stampeeded