Death Panels Plus?

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  1. Sinatra
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    You decide - excerpts from Duke Professor John Lewiss on what sections of the bill say, and more importantly, mean...


    "1. This section amends the Social Security Act. 2. The government has the power to determine what constitutes an 'applicable [medical] condition.' 3. The government has the power to determine who is allowed readmission into a hospital. 4. This determination will be made by statistics: when enough people have been discharged for the same condition, an individual may be readmitted." In other words, there's nothing personal about this. That's why Obama's answer to the woman with the 100-year-old mother, "Are you gonna take into account the spunk and spirit, the will to live?" was, "I don't think we can do that." It's going to be statistic based. "5. This is government rationing, pure, simple, and straight up."

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    "2. Anyone caught without acceptable coverage and not in the government plan will pay a special tax." Now, this we know. We've seen this ourselves. "3. The IRS will be a major enforcement mechanism for the plan," as written in this bill. The IRS will be a major enforcer. The next section that he analyzed: "What constitutes 'acceptable' coverage?"
    ...Let me read that again: "1. The bill defines 'acceptable coverage' and leaves no room for choice in this regard. 2. By setting a minimum 70% actuarial value of benefits, the bill makes health plans in which individuals pay for routine services" out of their own pockets, "but carry insurance only for catastrophic events ... illegal." That is one of the solutions to the problem we have now. Pay for what you want -- a standard checkup, a standard visit to the doctor -- and catastrophic insurance for when that could break your bank. Doing that will be illegal in the House bill. In other words, paying for your own routine day-to-day services but only having insurance for catastrophic events will be illegal

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    "5. The Commissioner (meaning, always, the bureaucrats) will determine whether a particular network of physicians, hospitals and insurance is acceptable" even if you do stay private. "6. With private insurance starved, many people enrolled in the government 'option' will have no place else to go" if they don't like it. So all this talk from Obama about adding to competition is the exact opposite, which is what everybody who's read this understands and which is why they know he's lying to them when he says, "If you like your plan you can keep it." Another way to look at that, "If you like your plan, you can keep it," is: What if everybody decided to do that, but he says the health care plan, the system we have now is unsustainable. It's horrible

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    The evaluation: "1. This section amends the Internal Revenue Code 2. The bill opens up income tax return information to federal officials. 3. Any stated 'limits' to such information are circumvented by item (v), which allows federal officials to decide what information is needed. 4. Employers are required to report whatever information the government says it needs to enforce the plan," meaning your medical records, your employment records, how you're living your life, what kind of risk that's posing to the health care system



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    Ah yes, let us just keep everything the same and let the Insurance companies make the decisions. Then we can pay three times as much for even less care than the citizens of the rest of the industrialized nations are getting.
     
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    I think any government-run type of health care plan must rely on rationing or price controls as bureaucrats try to outguess the market and fail.
     
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    Agreed.

    There can be health care reform, and it should be primarily state-based. No need to scrap a system that the vast majority of Americans prefer, out of deference for a minority, many of whom are illegals, or simply choosing not to sign up for a health care plan...
     
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    Red herring, Old Dickweed.

    Also, Americans pay more because we use more and have have the most abundant of cutting edge technologies, thereby giving us better value for the dollar.
     
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    Now that is just too much common sense for such a brief sentence!

    How dare you pickle their red herring!
     
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    Forgive me, but just how much did y'all want to spend to keep 100 year olds alive?
     
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    That's a personal decision and one that should not be made by the government or their "death panels". This is a decision that should be made between a doctor and his patient. Not the doctor and the government.
     
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