Death Panels Alive and Well

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There is no "government health care Obamacare." Unless you're elderly or poor, you don't have public coverage and you're not going to. Nothing has changed.

it'll be cheaper for business to pay the fine and let the government takeover.

Employers Drop Insurance Over Obamacare

McKinsey & Co., the high profile global business consulting firm, surveyed 1300 businesses and found that "30 percent of employers will definitely or probably stop offering [employer-sponsored insurance] in the years after 2014."

That's the year that the full impact of ObamaCare is scheduled to kick in. Several other surveys have reached similar conclusions.

Another study found that among businesses with a "high awareness" of what ObamaCare is all about, more than half are planning to drop health care insurance benefits for their workers.

The result spells death to private insurance and life to nationalized healthcare just as conservatives predicted.

ObamaCare requires employers with more than 50 employees to provide insurance for their employees or face a $2000 fine.

Many employers are quick to conclude that they are better off to pay the fine than the escalating premium costs.

AT&T calculated that dropping coverage and paying the penalty will save them $1.8 billion annually.

That makes the decision pretty obvious.

Millions of the workers cut loose will be forced to shop within the government blessed "exchanges" – and will be eligible based on income levels for generous taxpayer funded premium subsidies.

Democrats know how to buy votes with taxpayer's money – or even worse, with debt. ObamaCare makes subsidies available up to 400% of poverty level income.

The phony budget projections used to sell ObamaCare were based on just 2.5 percent of workers with current employer provided plans to switch – not 30 or even 50 percent!

The real resulting impact to the federal treasury will be in the trillions according to former budget officials Douglas Holtz-Eakin and James Capretta.

That's another big budget buster that Obama and the Democrats kept hidden behind the curtain when they rammed the bill through Congress.

The end of employer provided health insurance benefits and consolidation into government controlled programs is a big step toward government controlled single-payer health care which has long been the not-so-subtle objective all along.

Never mind that the we'll be bankrupt when we get there.

Employers Drop Insurance Over Obamacare - Page 1 - Bob Beauprez - Townhall Finance

 

[Dot Com]

We've had them for quite some time now:

 

[Greenbeard]

There is no "government health care Obamacare." Unless you're elderly or poor, you don't have public coverage and you're not going to. Nothing has changed.

it'll be cheaper for business to pay the fine and let the government takeover.

The government can't take over anything, there aren't any new options for public coverage. Medicare still has an age limit (i.e. 65 and over) and Medicaid still has income requirements. You can't choose to opt into one of those insurance programs, even if you wanted to. They're unavailable to you, unless you're elderly or poor, as has always been the case.

"Government takeover" is code for "the person using this phrase is full of shit."

 

[Meister]

There is no "government health care Obamacare." Unless you're elderly or poor, you don't have public coverage and you're not going to. Nothing has changed.

it'll be cheaper for business to pay the fine and let the government takeover.

The government can't take over anything, there aren't any new options for public coverage. Medicare still has an age limit (i.e. 65 and over) and Medicaid still has income requirements. You can't choose to opt into one of those insurance programs, even if you wanted to. They're unavailable to you, unless you're elderly or poor, as has always been the case.

"Government takeover" is code for "the person using this phrase is full of shit."

uh-huh......

 

[Jroc]

There is no "government health care Obamacare." Unless you're elderly or poor, you don't have public coverage and you're not going to. Nothing has changed.

it'll be cheaper for business to pay the fine and let the government takeover.

The government can't take over anything, there aren't any new options for public coverage. Medicare still has an age limit (i.e. 65 and over) and Medicaid still has income requirements. You can't choose to opt into one of those insurance programs, even if you wanted to. They're unavailable to you, unless you're elderly or poor, as has always been the case.

"Government takeover" is code for "the person using this phrase is full of shit."

Are you dense? Who said anything about opting out? Some buisness will just not offer health coverage anymore and pay that fine. In thoery is supposed to help to fund insurance for people who don't have health insurance, well that a stupid thoery, wont work ,not enough money. Medicare is scheduled to be cut 500 million dollars to help fund this new Obamacare crap

 

[Jroc]

There is no "government health care Obamacare." Unless you're elderly or poor, you don't have public coverage and you're not going to. Nothing has changed.

it'll be cheaper for business to pay the fine and let the government takeover.

The government can't take over anything, there aren't any new options for public coverage. Medicare still has an age limit (i.e. 65 and over) and Medicaid still has income requirements. You can't choose to opt into one of those insurance programs, even if you wanted to. They're unavailable to you, unless you're elderly or poor, as has always been the case.

"Government takeover" is code for "the person using this phrase is full of shit."

Expansion of medicare is part of Obamacare they increased the income requirement so you can make a lot more money and still be eligible for medicare.

Medicaid Expansion in Health Law to Cost States $118 Billion Through 2023
Joint Congressional Committee Report Details New Health Law’s Fiscal Burden on Fragile State Budgets, Sustainability of Medicaid Program
March 1, 2011

WASHINGTON, DC - In advance of today’s House Energy & Commerce Committee hearing examining ObamaCare’s impact on Medicaid and state health care reform, U.S. Senator Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), Ranking Member of the Senate Finance Committee, and Fred Upton (R-Michigan), Chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee released a comprehensive report outlining the $118 billion price tag to states of the massive expansion of the Medicaid program in the health law.

The joint Congressional Committee report, Medicaid Expansion in the New Health Law: Costs to the States, put together by the Senate Finance Committee, Minority and the House Energy and Commerce Committee, Majority is the first to provide a comprehensive overview of state government estimates regarding the cost of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) to state Medicaid programs. The report estimates the health law will cost state taxpayers at least $118.04 billion through 2023--more than double the Congressional Budget Office’s (CBO) recent estimate of $60 billion through 2021.

“Governors of both political parties were clear when Congress was debating the $2.6 trillion health law that they could not afford a massive expansion in Medicaid. Washington didn’t listen and plowed forward instead by putting 16 million Americans onto the Medicaid rolls to keep the federal price tag down,” said Hatch. “With this report, we see the true cost to states, who are already facing a collective $175 billion budget shortfall, of this unsustainable expansion. Any sustainable attempt by Governors to balance their budgets is undermined by the $118 billion cost of the massive growth of this federal program. It’s time for Congress to peel this program back by putting states, not the federal government, back in charge. ”

“Nearly one year after the president signed the health care package into law, we are still finding more costly consequences,” said Upton. “The health care law’s onerous and unsustainable mandates altered the relationship the federal government has with the states by requiring that states dramatically expand their Medicaid populations. Governors are deeply concerned about the new unfunded mandates in the law and their impact on current state budgets—which are already strained. The laws enacted in Washington have a profound impact on state budgets, and it is critical we provide Governors with the flexibility they need to create innovative health programs in a way that helps the people they serve, preserves quality, and reduces the financial burden.”

Established in 1965, Medicaid was designed as a limited, shared state-federal safety-net program for low-income Americans. When it was first established, less than five million Americans used Medicaid services, however, today nearly one in four are enrolled in the government program. Furthermore, today, Medicaid spending absorbs nearly a quarter of state government budgets, often forcing significant cuts to other state programs, such as education and law enforcement.

The enactment of PPACA in March 2010 was the largest expansion of the entitlement program since its inception more than 45 years ago. Half of those obtaining health care coverage under the new law will get it through Medicaid.

House Energy and Commerce Committee Republicans Press Release :: Medicaid Expansion in Health Law to Cost States $118 Billion Through 2023

 

[Meister]

it'll be cheaper for business to pay the fine and let the government takeover.

The government can't take over anything, there aren't any new options for public coverage. Medicare still has an age limit (i.e. 65 and over) and Medicaid still has income requirements. You can't choose to opt into one of those insurance programs, even if you wanted to. They're unavailable to you, unless you're elderly or poor, as has always been the case.

"Government takeover" is code for "the person using this phrase is full of shit."

Are you dense? Who said anything about opting out? Some buisness will just not offer health coverage anymore and pay that fine. In thoery is supposed to help to fund insurance for people who don't have health insurance, well that a stupid thoery, wont work ,not enough money. Medicare is scheduled to be cut 500 million dollars to help fund this new Obamacare crap

I was talking to a friend of mine who works at a hospital stated that the Kootenai County Hospital is going to be cutting way back on medicare patients starting next year. Can't understand why, can you?

 

[Ropey]

The government can't take over anything, there aren't any new options for public coverage. Medicare still has an age limit (i.e. 65 and over) and Medicaid still has income requirements. You can't choose to opt into one of those insurance programs, even if you wanted to. They're unavailable to you, unless you're elderly or poor, as has always been the case.

"Government takeover" is code for "the person using this phrase is full of shit."

Are you dense? Who said anything about opting out? Some buisness will just not offer health coverage anymore and pay that fine. In thoery is supposed to help to fund insurance for people who don't have health insurance, well that a stupid thoery, wont work ,not enough money. Medicare is scheduled to be cut 500 million dollars to help fund this new Obamacare crap

I was talking to a friend of mine who works at a hospital stated that the Kootenai County Hospital is going to be cutting way back on medicare patients starting next year. Can't understand why, can you?

I can. It's happening to my sister who lives in Sacramento and the Sutter General Hospital is already in the process of detailing new procedural screening examinations for submission.

She's telling me that it's going to cost her quite a bit more to insure herself and she's a business owner who still subsidizes her employees health benefits. I'll message her tonight and ask her what she thinks about the view that there is not anything to worry about in this diagnostic (at the moment) event.

It will grow. Meister clarified how that works a few pages back.

 

[Greenbeard]

The government can't take over anything, there aren't any new options for public coverage. Medicare still has an age limit (i.e. 65 and over) and Medicaid still has income requirements. You can't choose to opt into one of those insurance programs, even if you wanted to. They're unavailable to you, unless you're elderly or poor, as has always been the case.

"Government takeover" is code for "the person using this phrase is full of shit."

Expansion of medicare is part of Obamacare they increased the income requirement so you can make a lot more money and still be eligible for medicare.

Medicare and Medicaid are different things. You're talking about Medicaid here, the state-administered health insurance program for the poor.

And my point stands: both Medicare and Medicaid limit eligibility (by age in the case of Medicare, by income in the case of Medicaid), meaning neither is a potential mechanism for your imaginary government takeover (of something). You can't choose to get insurance through Medicare or Medicaid simply because your employer doesn't offer coverage.

 

[techieny]

 

[Vel]

And the prepping of the public to accept less has begun.
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Why Are So Many Seniors Getting End-of-Life Surgery? – TIME Healthland


"In a lot of places, we're doing a lot of these surgeries I think unnecessarily," lead author Ashish Jha, a professor of health policy and management at the Harvard School of Public Health, told Bloomberg. "We're not having the kinds of conversations with patients that we need to have, about what they want out of their last few days and how we help them achieve those goals."

 

[techieny]

and now three teeth are considered a full set !

 

[techieny]

 

[PoliticalChic]

and now three teeth are considered a full set !

Is that why they call it 'toothpaste' rather than 'teethpaste'?

 

[daveman]

The new Health Care Bill is death to all seniors.
Dr.'s are not accepting new patients with Medicare and hospitals are starting to make rules that you can only come to the emergency room for 3 visits.
What a great way to bring down Medicare and Medicaid, just let the babyboomers die off from their illnesses. After all, there are too many of them, what a great way to whittle down their numbers eh?

Leftists do like their mass killings, after all.

 

[daveman]

We've had them for quite some time now:

So...private insurance companies deciding who lives and who dies is evil.

Government deciding who lives and who dies is good and righteous and holy.

That about cover it?

 

[daveman]

 

[PoliticalChic]

The new Health Care Bill is death to all seniors.
Dr.'s are not accepting new patients with Medicare and hospitals are starting to make rules that you can only come to the emergency room for 3 visits.
What a great way to bring down Medicare and Medicaid, just let the babyboomers die off from their illnesses. After all, there are too many of them, what a great way to whittle down their numbers eh?

Leftists do like their mass killings, after all.

Welll...second to forced sterilizatons!

 

[daveman]

The new Health Care Bill is death to all seniors.
Dr.'s are not accepting new patients with Medicare and hospitals are starting to make rules that you can only come to the emergency room for 3 visits.
What a great way to bring down Medicare and Medicaid, just let the babyboomers die off from their illnesses. After all, there are too many of them, what a great way to whittle down their numbers eh?

Leftists do like their mass killings, after all.

Welll...second to forced sterilizatons!

Hey, they're all useless clumps of cells, right? Just a matter of scale, that's all.

 

[Ropey]

My sister told me that she was notified that all health care cost increases for both her personal and business will be held in abeyance for the upcoming year.

She said it seemed a bit fishy, considering the increases last year. She also said it sounded 'held back' rather than simply held at this level which she said likely means that it will be tacked on next year if ....