Dear Rich People Who Want To Move To China To Save Money On Taxes

[Toro]

This line of reasoning is ridiculous.

First, rich people aren't going to move to China to avoid taxes. That's what offshore tax havens are for.

Second, China has seen an enormous increase in standards of living over the past three decades. To say that they are "near" slaves is preposterous, given that many factories that moved into China 20-30 years ago are now moving out to cheaper localities because wage gains in China have driven up the cost of business so much so that it is far more economical to do business in Vietnam or Bangladesh.

The rhetoric is bizarre.

 

[Peejay]

So then, we can concede that many of the wealthy don't pay their share of taxes ? What with the tax havens and all. So we fight, kill and die to protect this system which allows these people to benefit greatly from it and then they do what ever they can to avoid paying for it ? The people that have benefited the most from our way of life are avoiding not only paying the taxes they owe but avoiding paying the American workers a fair wage that is part of what we have fought to protect.

 

[alan1]

So then, we can concede that many of the wealthy don't pay their share of taxes ? What with the tax havens and all. So we fight, kill and die to protect this system which allows these people to benefit greatly from it and then they do what ever they can to avoid paying for it ? The people that have benefited the most from our way of life are avoiding not only paying the taxes they owe but avoiding paying the American workers a fair wage that is part of what we have fought to protect.

Define "share of taxes" without including income level or net worth.

 

[Peejay]

So then, we can concede that many of the wealthy don't pay their share of taxes ? What with the tax havens and all. So we fight, kill and die to protect this system which allows these people to benefit greatly from it and then they do what ever they can to avoid paying for it ? The people that have benefited the most from our way of life are avoiding not only paying the taxes they owe but avoiding paying the American workers a fair wage that is part of what we have fought to protect.

Define "share of taxes" without including income level or net worth.

I don't get to define that. That's beside the point anyway. We can argue what the share should be and it changes from time to time. But whatever share it is, it's to the countries detriment for anyone to hide from it. It's criminal to evade taxes.

 

[alan1]

So then, we can concede that many of the wealthy don't pay their share of taxes ? What with the tax havens and all. So we fight, kill and die to protect this system which allows these people to benefit greatly from it and then they do what ever they can to avoid paying for it ? The people that have benefited the most from our way of life are avoiding not only paying the taxes they owe but avoiding paying the American workers a fair wage that is part of what we have fought to protect.

Define "share of taxes" without including income level or net worth.

I don't get to define that. That's beside the point anyway. We can argue what the share should be and it changes from time to time. But whatever share it is, it's to the countries detriment for anyone to hide from it. It's criminal to evade taxes.

Unless you are Timothy F. Geithner and in charge of the US treasury.

 

[DiveCon]

well, looks like the OP is nothing more than a loony troll

 

[Peejay]

Define "share of taxes" without including income level or net worth.

I don't get to define that. That's beside the point anyway. We can argue what the share should be and it changes from time to time. But whatever share it is, it's to the countries detriment for anyone to hide from it. It's criminal to evade taxes.

Unless you are Timothy F. Geithner and in charge of the US treasury.

If the guy owes taxes, he should pay them. If he intentionally defrauded the IRS he should be held accountable. If he made a mistake, it should be corrected. In any case, he probably shouldn't hold the position.

Any amount is wrong but the vast amounts held over seas, and the majority of US currency has been stashed over seas, then obviously there are a load of wealthy folks hiding money, most likely to avoid taxes. It just isn't right. If the money is gained through using our system then you should be happy to pay. It cost money to keep it up. You can point to waste and idiots all you want and that is fine. You still have to consider that if it's so bad and these crooks are robbing you so blind, get the hell out. Go somewhere else and see how other economic systems work for you. Don't hang around here and use our market to make your money, live here and enjoy the freedoms but hide your gains so you don't have to pay for keeping it all afloat.

 

[mash107]

I don't get to define that. That's beside the point anyway. We can argue what the share should be and it changes from time to time. But whatever share it is, it's to the countries detriment for anyone to hide from it. It's criminal to evade taxes.

Unless you are Timothy F. Geithner and in charge of the US treasury.

If the guy owes taxes, he should pay them. If he intentionally defrauded the IRS he should be held accountable. If he made a mistake, it should be corrected. In any case, he probably shouldn't hold the position.

Any amount is wrong but the vast amounts held over seas, and the majority of US currency has been stashed over seas, then obviously there are a load of wealthy folks hiding money, most likely to avoid taxes. It just isn't right. If the money is gained through using our system then you should be happy to pay. It cost money to keep it up. You can point to waste and idiots all you want and that is fine. You still have to consider that if it's so bad and these crooks are robbing you so blind, get the hell out. Go somewhere else and see how other economic systems work for you. Don't hang around here and use our market to make your money, live here and enjoy the freedoms but hide your gains so you don't have to pay for keeping it all afloat.

It's criminal for a dictator/monarch/republic to levy taxes on labor.

The fruits of your labor should be your possession, and your possession alone. In another century (19th), the opposite of that we had called slavery. The crooks you are looking for reside in Washington D.C. I'd support people hiding their money from the government, like modern day freedom trains.

Also, it's silly to suggest that market economies cost money to operate. It simply doesn't, unless someone is trying to skim off the hard work of others, and that is the case with the government. This country did tremendous for 126 years (minus a blip) from creation, before income taxes were dictated and shoved down our throats, at the behest of those who wanted to use government to enrich themselves.

FYI, Hong Kong is the freest place in the world, and has been so for 15 years.. so maybe you meant there.

 

[Avatar4321]

Please go. As quickly as possible. We don't need you.

Why dont you leave the country to avoid them? There are plenty of countries out there.

 

[Peejay]

Unless you are Timothy F. Geithner and in charge of the US treasury.

If the guy owes taxes, he should pay them. If he intentionally defrauded the IRS he should be held accountable. If he made a mistake, it should be corrected. In any case, he probably shouldn't hold the position.

Any amount is wrong but the vast amounts held over seas, and the majority of US currency has been stashed over seas, then obviously there are a load of wealthy folks hiding money, most likely to avoid taxes. It just isn't right. If the money is gained through using our system then you should be happy to pay. It cost money to keep it up. You can point to waste and idiots all you want and that is fine. You still have to consider that if it's so bad and these crooks are robbing you so blind, get the hell out. Go somewhere else and see how other economic systems work for you. Don't hang around here and use our market to make your money, live here and enjoy the freedoms but hide your gains so you don't have to pay for keeping it all afloat.

It's criminal for a dictator/monarch/republic to levy taxes on labor.

The fruits of your labor should be your possession, and your possession alone. In another century (19th), the opposite of that we had called slavery. The crooks you are looking for reside in Washington D.C. I'd support people hiding their money from the government, like modern day freedom trains.

Also, it's silly to suggest that market economies cost money to operate. It simply doesn't, unless someone is trying to skim off the hard work of others, and that is the case with the government. This country did tremendous for 126 years (minus a blip) from creation, before income taxes were dictated and shoved down our throats, at the behest of those who wanted to use government to enrich themselves.

FYI, Hong Kong is the freest place in the world, and has been so for 15 years.. so maybe you meant there.

I would agree that in ideal world, this would be the case. But the world isn't ideal. There are people, forces, armies, criminals that will come take all of your shit. You can hire private security to protect your stuff, of course, but funding an army is very costly. Tibet was a wonderful place but now Tibet is no more. Someone took their shit.

And the market does cost. Someone has to be the watch dog and no one wants to do that for free. Skimming off the hard work of others ? In real world terms, that's called interest. Don't care much for it myself. Nice term for blood sucking, do nothing, non producers.

The government has obviously lost it's way and forgotten it's function. Too many of the government blood suckers got in bed with the market blood suckers and usury went out of control. Too many people wanting money out of the market without putting any product into the market. Thieves basically, and if you think they can be kept at bay without a governing body I suggest you take a look around. The gypsies have sacked the damned palace. Who do you suppose is going to run them out ?

 

[mash107]

If the guy owes taxes, he should pay them. If he intentionally defrauded the IRS he should be held accountable. If he made a mistake, it should be corrected. In any case, he probably shouldn't hold the position.

Any amount is wrong but the vast amounts held over seas, and the majority of US currency has been stashed over seas, then obviously there are a load of wealthy folks hiding money, most likely to avoid taxes. It just isn't right. If the money is gained through using our system then you should be happy to pay. It cost money to keep it up. You can point to waste and idiots all you want and that is fine. You still have to consider that if it's so bad and these crooks are robbing you so blind, get the hell out. Go somewhere else and see how other economic systems work for you. Don't hang around here and use our market to make your money, live here and enjoy the freedoms but hide your gains so you don't have to pay for keeping it all afloat.

It's criminal for a dictator/monarch/republic to levy taxes on labor.

The fruits of your labor should be your possession, and your possession alone. In another century (19th), the opposite of that we had called slavery. The crooks you are looking for reside in Washington D.C. I'd support people hiding their money from the government, like modern day freedom trains.

Also, it's silly to suggest that market economies cost money to operate. It simply doesn't, unless someone is trying to skim off the hard work of others, and that is the case with the government. This country did tremendous for 126 years (minus a blip) from creation, before income taxes were dictated and shoved down our throats, at the behest of those who wanted to use government to enrich themselves.

FYI, Hong Kong is the freest place in the world, and has been so for 15 years.. so maybe you meant there.

I would agree that in ideal world, this would be the case. But the world isn't ideal. There are people, forces, armies, criminals that will come take all of your shit. You can hire private security to protect your stuff, of course, but funding an army is very costly. Tibet was a wonderful place but now Tibet is no more. Someone took their shit.

And the market does cost. Someone has to be the watch dog and no one wants to do that for free. Skimming off the hard work of others ? In real world terms, that's called interest. Don't care much for it myself. Nice term for blood sucking, do nothing, non producers.

The government has obviously lost it's way and forgotten it's function. Too many of the government blood suckers got in bed with the market blood suckers and usury went out of control. Too many people wanting money out of the market without putting any product into the market. Thieves basically, and if you think they can be kept at bay without a governing body I suggest you take a look around. The gypsies have sacked the damned palace. Who do you suppose is going to run them out ?

I don't mind interest as long as they loaners are bailed out when their loans go sour. Ignoring the fact that it's unconstitutional to bail someone out... why should someone lose their job, as a result of capital being directly away from funding their employment, to bail out people that have made mistakes? It's grossly immoral, and the main reason why socialism, not only doesn't work, but is morally objectionable.

As far as a watchdog... there's no need for one except to make private property is respected (this would include enforcement against air, ground and noise pollution), and transactions go through, and fraud is punished.. but that can be handled by the states, for sure, and only need voluntary taxation (charity) to have the funds.

 

[Peejay]

It's criminal for a dictator/monarch/republic to levy taxes on labor.

The fruits of your labor should be your possession, and your possession alone. In another century (19th), the opposite of that we had called slavery. The crooks you are looking for reside in Washington D.C. I'd support people hiding their money from the government, like modern day freedom trains.

Also, it's silly to suggest that market economies cost money to operate. It simply doesn't, unless someone is trying to skim off the hard work of others, and that is the case with the government. This country did tremendous for 126 years (minus a blip) from creation, before income taxes were dictated and shoved down our throats, at the behest of those who wanted to use government to enrich themselves.

FYI, Hong Kong is the freest place in the world, and has been so for 15 years.. so maybe you meant there.

I would agree that in ideal world, this would be the case. But the world isn't ideal. There are people, forces, armies, criminals that will come take all of your shit. You can hire private security to protect your stuff, of course, but funding an army is very costly. Tibet was a wonderful place but now Tibet is no more. Someone took their shit.

And the market does cost. Someone has to be the watch dog and no one wants to do that for free. Skimming off the hard work of others ? In real world terms, that's called interest. Don't care much for it myself. Nice term for blood sucking, do nothing, non producers.

The government has obviously lost it's way and forgotten it's function. Too many of the government blood suckers got in bed with the market blood suckers and usury went out of control. Too many people wanting money out of the market without putting any product into the market. Thieves basically, and if you think they can be kept at bay without a governing body I suggest you take a look around. The gypsies have sacked the damned palace. Who do you suppose is going to run them out ?

I don't mind interest as long as they loaners are bailed out when their loans go sour. Ignoring the fact that it's unconstitutional to bail someone out... why should someone lose their job, as a result of capital being directly away from funding their employment, to bail out people that have made mistakes? It's grossly immoral, and the main reason why socialism, not only doesn't work, but is morally objectionable.

As far as a watchdog... there's no need for one except to make private property is respected (this would include enforcement against air, ground and noise pollution), and transactions go through, and fraud is punished.. but that can be handled by the states, for sure, and only need voluntary taxation (charity) to have the funds.

I'm not arguing any sort of socialist idea at all. The bail outs are ridiculous. If you lose, you lose. All the way back to the S&L bail outs in the 80's, the airlines, Amtrak, the whole bit. If you fail, you fail. And the govenment is wrong to use any tax funds to keep these failures alive for another chance at failing.

But the reality of the market, insider trading, fraud, etc. is that without oversight, it would run amuck. It has run amuck. Sure the market will eventually catch up but far too many people have been robbed by then. It's criminal. People who don't even have money in the market are robbed. That's thievery and we can't allow the inmates to run the asylum. There are limits. It you allow it to become a free for all, you get what we have. The bail outs aren't the solution but they certainly aren't the cause. Lax regulation is the cause. The regulation of usury has been common practice for thousands of years. We pulled out all but the last stops on usury about 20 years ago. That's how long it has taken for the market to begin to revolve around thin air. Not product, thin air. Returns on time, not product. Time is not a hard comodity. Trading on time is a piss poor concept to float so much of the market on. When you get hungry, try to make yourself a sandwich with the next two weeks.