Discussion in 'Middle East - General' started by NATO AIR, Oct 4, 2006.
Accept reality on Afghanistan and achieve a victory, otherwise, stand by for defeat.
I'm sorry Eddie, I think this is wildly off the mark. It's the 'Murtha way' which means losing.
NATO, did you agree with the above posted article? Stop fighting the Taliban? Never! They harbored OBL and helped facilitate his crimes. Maybe thet still do. The Taliban was one of the most hideous regimes in human history. Please do not forget the serial murders they committed in the Kabul soccer stadium. The demolition of the 1000 year old Buddhas. The horrible oppression of women. We should stop fighting the Taliban when they are all dead. Even then we should bomb their cemeteries.
It looks as though a victory in Afghanistan is impossible.
Looks like our MISADVENTURES in Iraq is starting to take it's toll. Great going Bush!!!
Yeah, y'all are right. We should just let madmen run free, doign as they please, and not concern ourselves with them until the inevitable mushroom cloud appears above YOUR city. Then it'll be "Bush didn't do anything to protect us:baby: :baby: :baby: "
Freakin' ostriches. Grow some damned brains and open your eyes.
1. The Murtha way is cutting and running. This is entirely different, this is equivalent to build and hold, i.e. building relationships via a 21st century CAP program that successfully uses COIN (Counter Insurgency strategy and tactics) to slowly, steadily reduce the Taliban influence in the regions.
2. There is a serious difference between "stop attacking" the Taliban and "stop fighting" the Taliban. Right now, NATO is not only botching the war against the Taliban by fighting it on the wrong levels in the wrong ways, but it won't even commit enough troops on the ground to hold up their end of countless agreements with the US & Afghan governments.
3. I might add that on numerous occassions, this is a course of action more or less that has been suggested, indeed, strongly advised, by Afghan leaders who know their country far better than America does.
4. The idea that we can force 21st century ideals and laws on a country mired in 13th century politics, society and culture is utterly idiotic. We must let the Afghans proceed at their own pace that they are comfortable with, ensuring as best we can to prevent a regression into Taliban style harshness and oppression.
Lastly, we CANNOT fail to notice that Afghanistan has become but a sideshow in the great debate, debacle and defense of Iraq. We're in desperate danger of losing Afghanistan not only because of our often pathetic NATO allies, but our own failed strategies and utter inability since our successful Enduring Freedom campaign to take into account Afghan culture, realities and facts on the ground.
Nice argument, but good luck. The US has NEVER taken into account the people of other nations and what level they are at, and we aren't going to. We're far too arrogant, and idealistically blind in thinking everyone wants to be like us when they don't have a clue what "us" is like.
And we're going to go about "winning hearts and minds" as usual, by giving them things they cannot produce rather than teaching them to produce them.
A few well-placed nukes would save us all that trouble and time.
If I was the leader of an arab/muslim country following the discussions here, I would immediately declare the pursuit of a nuclear deterrent against the US, an overiding national priority.
Sure, these nuclear threats are just farts coming out of the anuses of a bunch of super patriotic american clowns today.
But who can guarantee that they will not become the official american policy in the future?
Mubarak and all the other leaders in the Middle East/North Africa/Southeast Asia are completely irresponsible rulers.
They should already be developping a nuclear arsenal or at least making pacts of mutual protection like the one Syria has with Iran.
As Russia has already showed the world, there's nothing like a couple of nukes to put a cork in the ass of a super patriotic american clown.
so tell me hose-a'.... how did that work out for the soviet union?
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