Dear Candidate: What if growth was over?

[CrusaderFrank]

If Progressives were cavemen, they'd warn us of an inevitable shortage of pointy sticks.

 

[loosecannon]

So, the fiat money ponzi scheme comes crashing to the ground, like they always do...What makes that any kind of indicator that economic growth will cease?

People will find a way to create, trade and grow, no matter what the funny money banksters do.

Are you fucking kidding? How will growth ever increase if resources are depleted toward a diminishing returns end and the very vehicles of industrial trade crashes around you?

You think mere "people" can create what industries did benefiting from economies of scale and specialization of labor?

Check your premise.

The argument that resources are being depleted, to the point of economic collapse, have been proffered since at least the days of Malthus.

And schmucks like you wonder why it is guys like me mock and laugh at your gloomy pessimistic asses?

But Malthus will be proven right within decades. Exponential growth is no match for limited resources.

 

[loosecannon]

The only way American economic growth will end is if we allow Progressives to continue to control it. You people need to be stopped.

Crusader, indeed.

You have no idea what you're blathering about. Growth is based on natural resources, and the ability they provide to do work. It has ZERO to do with polar opposite political ideology.

Could you be more retarded? Don't answer that, your next post will be along any moment now.

So typical of you clowns to isolate and identify some fictional "enemy" for all that ails America, while ignoring and apologizing for corporate grease skidding and deregulation at every turn -- you know, the REAL culprits dooming America in an age of dwindling energy and exploding population.

Nuclear has severe uranium limitations. Coal is also limited, unless you consider abundant (but useless) lignate in the reserve total, as do the liars who promote vast coal totals. There isn't enough good coal left, and even the good stuff is highly toxic, and won't maintain growth for societies dependent on 7% expansion. Wake up.

God, you are an idiot.

Natural resources are just so much minerals, dirt, and water without creative minds to invent ways to use them. Growth is the product of intellect.

speaking of idiots who don't know a god damned thing about chemistry and energy....

 

[loosecannon]

Why limit humanity to this one planet?

Maybe because the other planets are uninhabitable?

And the energy required to make them habitable would require something like a $20,000 /month utility bill.

 

[loosecannon]

Sit around predicting, for centuries on end, that a meteor is going to hit the planet and you'll eventually be correct.

I'm not sure how that relates to Simon-Ehrlich. Oh wait...it doesn't! I'm going to assume you haven't reviewed the predicted outcomes in a while. Simon didn't claim it was going to take longer, he claimed it wouldn't happen, period.

It relates in that the dour, despondent prophets of doom, which also includes Keynesian witch doctors, will always find a way to be right.

Something good happens? Well, you just wait...Things will get worse.

Something bad happens? SEE?!?!??...WE TOLDJASO!

"Stimulated" economy eventually comes around? SEE?!?!?...That's proof that it worked!

"Stimulated" economy doesn't come around?...Well, that's just because we didn't do enough soon enough.

In the world of logic and sensory evidence, where doomsayers and tinkering social engineers refuse to live, we call this the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.

the product of a decade of meth abuse deranging a previously sound and valuable mind. A terrible thing to waste.

 

[loosecannon]

In other words, the bet had a specific time frame.

Sitting back and saying "yeah, well my outcome about at a later date" (which is arguable at best), constitutes what we commonly refer to as "moving the goalposts".

Bottom line: Ehrlich -along with Malthus, Galbraith and numerous other prophets of doom- were and continue to be wrong.

Now, get back to your street corner and your "THE END IS NIGH" sammich board.

Wake up, fucktard!

Exponential growth is at odds with the reality of finite resources.

You lose. The only question is when you will lose, not if.

And all evidence suggests it will be sooner rather than later, Tard. Much sooner. Like within 40-50 years, Tard.

 

[loosecannon]

If Progressives were cavemen, they'd warn us of an inevitable shortage of pointy sticks.

here is a frosty pie. Go sit at the special ed table and chow down. And when you are done it will be time for your nap.

After the teacher checks your diapers, of course.

 

[Oddball]

In other words, the bet had a specific time frame.

Sitting back and saying "yeah, well my outcome about at a later date" (which is arguable at best), constitutes what we commonly refer to as "moving the goalposts".

Bottom line: Ehrlich -along with Malthus, Galbraith and numerous other prophets of doom- were and continue to be wrong.

Now, get back to your street corner and your "THE END IS NIGH" sammich board.

Wake up, fucktard!

Exponential growth is at odds with the reality of finite resources.

You lose. The only question is when you will lose, not if.

And all evidence suggests it will be sooner rather than later, Tard. Much sooner. Like within 40-50 years, Tard.

Been hearing that since Christ was an altar boy.

BTW...Have you heard that the Mayan calendar says that it's all over for mankind in December of 2012?

 

[loosecannon]

In other words, the bet had a specific time frame.

Sitting back and saying "yeah, well my outcome about at a later date" (which is arguable at best), constitutes what we commonly refer to as "moving the goalposts".

Bottom line: Ehrlich -along with Malthus, Galbraith and numerous other prophets of doom- were and continue to be wrong.

Now, get back to your street corner and your "THE END IS NIGH" sammich board.

Wake up, fucktard!

Exponential growth is at odds with the reality of finite resources.

You lose. The only question is when you will lose, not if.

And all evidence suggests it will be sooner rather than later, Tard. Much sooner. Like within 40-50 years, Tard.

Been hearing that since Christ was an altar boy.

BTW...Have you heard that the Mayan calendar says that it's all over for mankind in December of 2012?

Do the math, fucktard.

Exponential growth can't defeat limited resources.

You lose. And if you don't realize it it is because you can't do high school level math.

NEXT!

 

[KissMy]

Untangling the Environmentalist’s Paradox: Why Is Human Well-being Increasing as Ecosystem Services Degrade?

Environmentalists have argued that ecological degradation will lead to declines in the well-being of people dependent on ecosystem services. The Millennium Ecosystem Assessment paradoxically found that human well-being has increased despite large global declines in most ecosystem services. We assess four explanations of these divergent trends: (1) We have measured well-being incorrectly; (2) well-being is dependent on food services, which are increasing, and not on other services that are declining; (3) technology has decoupled well-being from nature; (4) time lags may lead to future declines in well-being. Our findings discount the first hypothesis, but elements of the remaining three appear plausible. Although ecologists have convincingly documented ecological decline, science does not adequately understand the implications of this decline for human well-being.

 

[Oddball]

Wake up, fucktard!

Exponential growth is at odds with the reality of finite resources.

You lose. The only question is when you will lose, not if.

And all evidence suggests it will be sooner rather than later, Tard. Much sooner. Like within 40-50 years, Tard.

Been hearing that since Christ was an altar boy.

BTW...Have you heard that the Mayan calendar says that it's all over for mankind in December of 2012?

Do the math, fucktard.

Exponential growth can't defeat limited resources.

You lose. And if you don't realize it it is because you can't do high school level math.

NEXT!

Malthus, Galbraith and Ehrlich did the same math.....All of them were and continue to be wrong.

All of them refused to take into account that nothing is more fungible, adaptive, inventive and indomitable than the human spirit.

Now, get back to stockpiling caned goods in your basement.

 

[KissMy]

Like I said before, these peak oil doomers have been around in the US for almost 100 years preaching the sky is falling, we have come to the end. You would think they would get tired of jumping up & down looking like a raving moron shouting "The End Is Near" I bet their family members & friends think they are nuts & keep their distance or snicker behind their backs. This is likely why Al & Tipper Gore split up.

In 1919 the director of the U.S. Bureau of Mines predicted that "within the next two to five years the oil fields of this country will reach their maximum production, and from that time on we will face an ever-increasing decline."

That same year, National Geographic magazine predicted that oil shales in Colorado and Utah would be exploited to produce oil, because the demand for oil could not be met by existing production.

In January 1920, Dr. George Otis Smith, Director of the United States Geological Survey, in commenting upon our oil supply stated: "The position of the United States in regard to oil can best be characterized as precarious."

In May 1920, Dr. Smith said: "Americans will have to depend on foreign sources or use less oil, or perhaps both.

In 1920, David White, of the United States Geological Survey, stated: "On the whole, therefore, we must expect that, unless our consumption is checked, we shall by 1925 be dependent on foreign oil fields to the extent of 150,000,000 barrels and possibly as much as 200,000,000 of crude each year, except insofar as the situation may at that time, perhaps, be helped to a slight extent by shale oil. Add to this probability that within 5 years--perhaps 3 years only--our domestic production will begin to fall off with increasing rapidity, due to the exhaustion of our reserves"

This really freaks the lefties out! Either these Doomers have been lying, science has it wrong or God has been providing us all the oil we need for the past 100 years!!!

 

[hipeter924]

The climate change fear campaign, goes something like this:

Never mind that climate change occurs naturally, and we could only have a limited effect on the environment. I can't wait till the next volcanic eruption*, all that carbon.

 

[Article 15]

What if we found ways to increase the rate in which our replenishable resources regenerate?

 

[Oddball]

What if we found ways to increase the rate in which our replenishable resources regenerate?

Already been done...This is another thing that the Malthusian declinists refuse to take into consideration.

1900
41 percent of workforce employed in agriculture
1930
21.5 percent of workforce employed in agriculture;
Agricultural GDP as a share of total GDP, 7.7 percent
1945
16 percent of the total labor force employed in agriculture;
Agricultural GDP as a share of total GDP, 6.8 percent
1970
4 percent of employed labor force worked in agriculture;
Agricultural GDP as a share of total GDP, 2.3 percent
2000/02
1.9 percent of employed labor force worked in agriculture (2000); Agricultural GDP as a share of total GDP (2002),
0.7 percent

The 20th Century Transformation of U.S. Agriculture and Farm Policy

At the same time, the production from American farms went through the roof.

 

[loosecannon]

Malthus, Galbraith and Ehrlich did the same math.....All of them were and continue to be wrong.

No they were right the population is still increasing resources are becoming increasingly scarce/capita.

You don't realize it because you live in a nation that consumes 25% of the world's resources between 5% of it's people.

Meanwhile 2 billion people live on just a few dollars/day. they bear the burden of your deferred austerity. And expectations are that the pop will increase another 2 billion by 2050.

You don't appear to understand the difference between exponential (tending toward infinite) and finite.

 

[The T]

Like I said before, these peak oil doomers have been around in the US for almost 100 years preaching the sky is falling, we have come to the end. You would think they would get tired of jumping up & down looking like a raving moron shouting "The End Is Near" I bet their family members & friends think they are nuts & keep their distance or snicker behind their backs. This is likely why Al & Tipper Gore split up.

In 1919 the director of the U.S. Bureau of Mines predicted that "within the next two to five years the oil fields of this country will reach their maximum production, and from that time on we will face an ever-increasing decline."

That same year, National Geographic magazine predicted that oil shales in Colorado and Utah would be exploited to produce oil, because the demand for oil could not be met by existing production.

In January 1920, Dr. George Otis Smith, Director of the United States Geological Survey, in commenting upon our oil supply stated: "The position of the United States in regard to oil can best be characterized as precarious."

In May 1920, Dr. Smith said: "Americans will have to depend on foreign sources or use less oil, or perhaps both.

In 1920, David White, of the United States Geological Survey, stated: "On the whole, therefore, we must expect that, unless our consumption is checked, we shall by 1925 be dependent on foreign oil fields to the extent of 150,000,000 barrels and possibly as much as 200,000,000 of crude each year, except insofar as the situation may at that time, perhaps, be helped to a slight extent by shale oil. Add to this probability that within 5 years--perhaps 3 years only--our domestic production will begin to fall off with increasing rapidity, due to the exhaustion of our reserves"

This really freaks the lefties out! Either these Doomers have been lying, science has it wrong or God has been providing us all the oil we need for the past 100 years!!!

If anything? The left suffers from vanity and arrogance.

 

[Oddball]

Malthus, Galbraith and Ehrlich did the same math.....All of them were and continue to be wrong.

No they were right the population is still increasing resources are becoming increasingly scarce/capita.

You don't realize it because you live in a nation that consumes 25% of the world's resources between 5% of it's people.

Meanwhile 2 billion people live on just a few dollars/day. they bear the burden of your deferred austerity. And expectations are that the pop will increase another 2 billion by 2050.

You don't appear to understand the difference between exponential (tending toward infinite) and finite.

Golly...You ever wonder if the software engineers at Intel and AMD sit in their labs, wringing their hands and whining over Moore's law versus the mathematical impossibility that they'll never ever be able to get infinite computing power out of nothing?

 

[loosecannon]

Malthus, Galbraith and Ehrlich did the same math.....All of them were and continue to be wrong.

No they were right the population is still increasing resources are becoming increasingly scarce/capita.

You don't realize it because you live in a nation that consumes 25% of the world's resources between 5% of it's people.

Meanwhile 2 billion people live on just a few dollars/day. they bear the burden of your deferred austerity. And expectations are that the pop will increase another 2 billion by 2050.

You don't appear to understand the difference between exponential (tending toward infinite) and finite.

Golly...You ever wonder if the software engineers at Intel and AMD sit in their labs, wringing their hands and whining over Moore's law versus the mathematical impossibility that they'll never ever be able to get infinite computing power out of nothing?

iow you admit being wrong. Thanks

 

[Oddball]

I admit nothing other than you're a dour little complainy-pants, who has no imagination for anything other than to dream up dystopian doomsday scenarios....And completely unimaginative ones at that.

Sheesh...At least Mad Max and Terminator movies could keep people entertained for an hour and a half or so.