Darwin's Appendix

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    By Rabbi Yonason Goldson
    July 20, 2011
    Jewish World Review


    Knowledge and understanding have caught up with yet another aspect of Creation


    Virtually unique to human beings, serving no physiological purpose, and subject to fatal inflammation, the human appendix provided Charles Darwin with what he believed to be compelling evidence to support his theory of evolution. An organ contributing no benefits and potential harm could surely be nothing more than a remnant from distant ancestors in whom it served a function no longer relevant to man's evolved form.

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    I think God gave us an appendix just to fuck with us

    He is like that sometimes
     
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    Uhh . . . you didn't read the article.

     
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    Poor Darwin.

    A bird is still a type of bird, a cow is still a type of cow, a fish is still a type a fish, a plant is still a type of plant. And us humans are still human and different from the beasts of the earth. Science is great. But with full integrity, we can conclude that nothing in research has proven otherwise. Evolution of man is still a theory.


    Amazing is God's Word. Written long ago....It is written:


    We see variations in species, but we don't see a crossover from one to the other. I don't care if we are the person in the world with the lowest IQ, or the most intelligent person on the planet. That hasn't changed.





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    So you believe man walked the earth with dinosaurs? Or did he create all the species at different times?


    Why do I have a tailbone? Did God start to give us a tail then think better of it and chop it off when he was creating us?
     
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    Oh, I get the point alright. You think you're talking to an idiot.

    Yeah. And both the author of this piece and I are aware of that.

    Contemporary biologists have identified the appendix as a storehouse for good bacteria and white blood cells that replenish the body's immune system more quickly whenever it becomes depleted by fighting disease. Consequently, relatively recent developments in hygiene and medicine have left the appendix with too little to do, so that the underutilized production potential of the organ creates the conditions of stress that lead to appendicitis. It is not our bodies that have evolved; it is our environment. —Goldson​


    Indeed. But a vestigial organ in what sense? As I have written elsewhere:

    The choice is between a majority opinion within the scientific community, driven by an absolute methodological naturalism/ontological naturalism, which gratuitously extrapolates the tautologically stochastic and unquantifiable processes of a common ancestry from those of microspeciation, or the countervailing opinion, which allows for the potentialities of the methodological naturalism of classical empiricism and posits a biological history of abruptions, a series of creative events and episodic extinctions, wherein the number of species has not grown over time in terms of a series of branching transmutations, but dwindled. In my opinion, the latter scenario provides the best explanation for the abundance and variety of life, and anticipates that all forms of terrestrial life would necessarily share certain genetic and morphological characteristics, including the inherent ability to affect adaptive variations within species.

    The evidence would look the same either way. Hence, the claim that there is no evidence for the latter is false, and the opening salvo of the Pasteurian law of biogenesis, its ramifications with respect to the development of life on Earth, portends a powerful counterargument.

    The fact of the matter is that beyond the micro level of speciation, evolutionary theory does not and cannot predict anything at all. Ultimately, its so-called predictions are historical in nature. What survives, survives. What is, is, and what was, was . . . in accordance with a supposed, incremental process of fortuitous accidents. Environmental changes are random. Mutations are random. Natural selection is random. The product of any two random variables is a random variable. The conservation of transformational mutations, and the viability and number of transitory forms are not quantifiable in any falsifiable sense. —Rawlings​


    No. Any number of first-year-college, pre-med students would know that creationism has nothing to do with your guff and, at the very least, would know about "the statistical insignificance of the appendix" today due to "recent developments in hygiene and medicine", microspeciation or a combination thereof. In other words, the current status of the human appendix does not directly attest to an evolutionary common ancestry at all.
     
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    Someone with a degree in English trying to debunk the view of doctors.


    "Since I know the best ways to use there, their and they're, that gives me qualification to debunk doctors in the medical field."



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    But what were they before they were cows, fish and plants? Why can't fossils of modern animals be found in the Cambrian strata? If we were created, not evolved, where were they?
     
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    The waves from the Great Flood were so strong they moved the Earth around and shifted where fossils were, and all the fossils from certain times being in certain layers of ground is a coincidental miracle of God.


    I know that because I have a degree in psychology from Phoenix, geologists and other scientists with doctorates don't know their ass from their elbow.
     
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    Uh-huh. The opinion of a rather substantial number of doctors in biology and the medical field, and the demonstrations that the many supposed vestigial organs do in fact have or have had important functions do not count, eh?

    For example:

    In fact, the coccyx [tailbone] has some very important functions. Several muscles converge from the ring-like arrangement of the pelvic (hip) bones to anchor on the coccyx, forming a bowl-shaped muscular floor of the pelvis called the pelvic diaphragm. The incurved coccyx with its attached pelvic diaphragm keeps the many organs in our abdominal cavity from literally falling through between our legs. Some of the pelvic diaphragm muscles are also important in controlling the elimination of waste from our body through the rectum. —Dr. David N. Menton, Ph.D., Biology and Biomedicine​

    The fact of the matter is that "vestigial organ arguments" for an evolutionary common ancestry are weak and silly—syllogistically, analogously and scientifically, as many philosophers of science, physicians and biologists, both evolutionist thinkers and skeptics, know. Only rabid acolytes of Darwinism, regardless of their credentials, think otherwise. The biggest problems for these kind of arguments—which do not require any degree to recognize, just a bit of common sense—is that they are obviously predicated on an apriority that is not subject to any objective standard of falsification, and their objects can be readily accounted for by other criteria.
     

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