Dante Would Consider Voting For John Ellis 'Jeb' Bush in 2016

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Dante Would Consider Voting For Jeb Bush in 2016

I disagree with him on the Florida high speed rail initiative, but I also agree with him on many other things. At least he tackled environment and education issues. Not much to disagree with there/ .

This was honest and in some way heroic: Bush was asked what he would do for African Americans if he gets elected, responding: "It’s time to strive for a society where there’s equality of opportunity, not equality of results. So I’m going to answer your question by saying: probably nothing." -- wikipedia link - It probably cost him the election -- but he was honest and what is not to like about what he said?

Bush was responsible for creating the Corporate Income Tax Credit Scholarship which provides corporations with tax credits for donations to Scholarship Funding Organizations which must spend 100% of the donations on scholarships for low income students. - wikipedia link -


I actually prefer the elites like the Bush family to the people like Obama and Carter and Reagan.

I like the Clintons too

Sue me

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

there are lots of Democrats, former Democrats and Liberals out there that I know would consider voting for Jeb. Consideration is what rational and reasonable people put out there when faced with credible and experienced candidates

 

[Pogo]

Don't you have to know who the alternatives are first? I do.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Don't you have to know who the alternatives are first? I do.

Not to consider. But who the other candidate is (speaking of general election) would determine who gets my vote..
Dante is a liberal and true liberals have open minds -- within reason

 

[Ernie S.]

Currently Warren and clinton. No contest.

 

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He's a Bush. He's a Statist scumbag and a member of one of the most evil American families since the Mansons

Remember his brother was a "Compassionate" Conservative?

One more reason to consider voting for Jeb in 2016

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Currently Warren and clinton. No contest.

Warren would be a disaster. She's a good Senator.

Hillary? I really like her and wish she had won before, but her time may have passed.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

That's enough to tell me I shouldn't vote for him.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

That's enough to tell me I shouldn't vote for him.

Figures you would not vote for anyone, but vote against people.

You are sooo stupid

 

[Pogo]

Don't you have to know who the alternatives are first? I do.

Not to consider. But who the other candidate is (speaking of general election) would determine who gets my vote..
Dante is a liberal and true liberals have open minds -- within reason

Yanno, there's a reason I put mine in the plural -- "alternatives are"....

Whichever candidate runs for whichever party, the first thing we gotta get rid of is this binary mindset that it's gotta be Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dumb.

Maybe I'm a minority but when given a choice of two and I don't like either, the first thing I ask is "what else ya got"?

 

[Pogo]

Currently Warren and clinton. No contest.

Has either one declared they're running? Not to my knowledge.
For that matter Bush hasn't fully committed. To the extent that anyone has committed it's a more interesting comparison:

Bush (or Carson) vs. Sanders

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Don't you have to know who the alternatives are first? I do.

Not to consider. But who the other candidate is (speaking of general election) would determine who gets my vote..
Dante is a liberal and true liberals have open minds -- within reason

Yanno, there's a reason I put mine in the plural -- "alternatives are"....

Whichever candidate runs for whichever party, the first thing we gotta get rid of is this binary mindset that it's gotta be Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dumb.

Maybe I'm a minority but when given a choice of two and I don't like either, the first thing I ask is "what else ya got"?

Third candidates in the general screw everything up. Pluralities give us very unstable governments -- look at the past 50 years

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Currently Warren and clinton. No contest.

Has either one declared they're running? Not to my knowledge.
For that matter Bush hasn't fully committed. To the extent that anyone has committed it's a more interesting comparison:

Bush (or Carson) vs. Sanders

Dante never places bets on who would win an election this far out. He rarely gets in to threads that debate who is better or who would win. But it is healthy to think about whom one would consider voting for (as opposed to whom one would consider voting against) so as to prime oneself before the onslaught of ads convinces people that up is down, black is white, and poopyhead is a threat to America's way of life

 

[Pogo]

Don't you have to know who the alternatives are first? I do.

Not to consider. But who the other candidate is (speaking of general election) would determine who gets my vote..
Dante is a liberal and true liberals have open minds -- within reason

Yanno, there's a reason I put mine in the plural -- "alternatives are"....

Whichever candidate runs for whichever party, the first thing we gotta get rid of is this binary mindset that it's gotta be Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dumb.

Maybe I'm a minority but when given a choice of two and I don't like either, the first thing I ask is "what else ya got"?

Third candidates in the general screw everything up. Pluralities give us very unstable governments -- look at the past 50 years

Declaring "third candidates screw everything up" ensures that there will never be any. It condemns us to the binary. I'm just not satisfied with being stuck in that hole. The first thing to do is quit diggin'.

To a very large extent that's a flaw of the system that leans to the binary, yes. But change comes from The People. When the drones sleep though the status quo, it remains that.

 

[jwoodie]

Don't you have to know who the alternatives are first? I do.

Not to consider. But who the other candidate is (speaking of general election) would determine who gets my vote..
Dante is a liberal and true liberals have open minds -- within reason

Yanno, there's a reason I put mine in the plural -- "alternatives are"....

Whichever candidate runs for whichever party, the first thing we gotta get rid of is this binary mindset that it's gotta be Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dumb.

Maybe I'm a minority but when given a choice of two and I don't like either, the first thing I ask is "what else ya got"?

Third candidates in the general screw everything up. Pluralities give us very unstable governments -- look at the past 50 years

I agree with everything Dante has said on this thread. The only thing I would add is that Senators (of either party) generally make lousy Presidents. Being Governor of a State is the only relevant job experience.

 

[Ernie S.]

Don't you have to know who the alternatives are first? I do.

Not to consider. But who the other candidate is (speaking of general election) would determine who gets my vote..
Dante is a liberal and true liberals have open minds -- within reason

Yanno, there's a reason I put mine in the plural -- "alternatives are"....

Whichever candidate runs for whichever party, the first thing we gotta get rid of is this binary mindset that it's gotta be Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dumb.

Maybe I'm a minority but when given a choice of two and I don't like either, the first thing I ask is "what else ya got"?

Third candidates in the general screw everything up. Pluralities give us very unstable governments -- look at the past 50 years

Declaring "third candidates screw everything up" ensures that there will never be any. It condemns us to the binary. I'm just not satisfied with being stuck in that hole. The first thing to do is quit diggin'.

To a very large extent that's a flaw of the system that leans to the binary, yes. But change comes from The People. When the drones sleep though the status quo, it remains that.

I understand the idealistic desire for a 3rd party, though my ideal would likely differ from yours. Given the current system, it's unlikely that in our life time, a Socialist, Green or Conservative POTUS could form any kind of coalition with Congress. They couldn't pass a bill about what time to break for lunch.
The place for a 3rd party to start would be in the House. Over 16 or 20 years, someone like the far right (or Socialists for that matter) could become a block sufficient to influence legislation. A star could emerge as a viable candidate for the big chair

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Don't you have to know who the alternatives are first? I do.

Not to consider. But who the other candidate is (speaking of general election) would determine who gets my vote..
Dante is a liberal and true liberals have open minds -- within reason

Yanno, there's a reason I put mine in the plural -- "alternatives are"....

Whichever candidate runs for whichever party, the first thing we gotta get rid of is this binary mindset that it's gotta be Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dumb.

Maybe I'm a minority but when given a choice of two and I don't like either, the first thing I ask is "what else ya got"?

Third candidates in the general screw everything up. Pluralities give us very unstable governments -- look at the past 50 years

Declaring "third candidates screw everything up" ensures that there will never be any. It condemns us to the binary. I'm just not satisfied with being stuck in that hole. The first thing to do is quit diggin'.

To a very large extent that's a flaw of the system that leans to the binary, yes. But change comes from The People. When the drones sleep though the status quo, it remains that.

We have a system of primaries and generals. We have rules in those elections. We can change those rules, but to do so you need to convince others. Stomping and whining "unfair!" will do nothing but marginalize your arguments.

Other nations have other systems. I remember when younger looking at European systems. I remember most how many governments Italy had in a few decades after WWII. I remember the Parliamentary systems where chaos ruled. I think our system is the better of flawed systems.

Calling others Drones will NOT win them over. Change comes slowly. If you have no long term strategy all you end up is a reactionary and a radical that would bring about chaos and what we have today in Congress -- no compromise

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Don't you have to know who the alternatives are first? I do.

Not to consider. But who the other candidate is (speaking of general election) would determine who gets my vote..
Dante is a liberal and true liberals have open minds -- within reason

Yanno, there's a reason I put mine in the plural -- "alternatives are"....

Whichever candidate runs for whichever party, the first thing we gotta get rid of is this binary mindset that it's gotta be Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dumb.

Maybe I'm a minority but when given a choice of two and I don't like either, the first thing I ask is "what else ya got"?

Third candidates in the general screw everything up. Pluralities give us very unstable governments -- look at the past 50 years

I agree with everything Dante has said on this thread. The only thing I would add is that Senators (of either party) generally make lousy Presidents. Being Governor of a State is the only relevant job experience.

In governing, Executive experience is limited to the Governorship(s), but some people have executive skills by nature and from previous life experience. Lyndon Johnson's experience as a leader in the Senate prepared him to be a very effective executive (agree or not on his politics). There are many variables.

 

[Pogo]

Don't you have to know who the alternatives are first? I do.

Not to consider. But who the other candidate is (speaking of general election) would determine who gets my vote..
Dante is a liberal and true liberals have open minds -- within reason

Yanno, there's a reason I put mine in the plural -- "alternatives are"....

Whichever candidate runs for whichever party, the first thing we gotta get rid of is this binary mindset that it's gotta be Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dumb.

Maybe I'm a minority but when given a choice of two and I don't like either, the first thing I ask is "what else ya got"?

Third candidates in the general screw everything up. Pluralities give us very unstable governments -- look at the past 50 years

Declaring "third candidates screw everything up" ensures that there will never be any. It condemns us to the binary. I'm just not satisfied with being stuck in that hole. The first thing to do is quit diggin'.

To a very large extent that's a flaw of the system that leans to the binary, yes. But change comes from The People. When the drones sleep though the status quo, it remains that.

We have a system of primaries and generals. We have rules in those elections. We can change those rules, but to do so you need to convince others. Stomping and whining "unfair!" will do nothing but marginalize your arguments.

Making the point here is one start, but capitulating to a flawed system brings us absolutely nowhere; all that does is perpetuate the status quo. I'm not content with the status quo -- so I say so. I find that more effective that genuflecting to a two-party-which-is-in-effect-one-party system for which I have no use. Complacency is not one of my strong suits.

The longest journey begins with a single step, and I'm always willing to point out that the interstate highway is not the only way to get somewhere.

Other nations have other systems. I remember when younger looking at European systems. I remember most how many governments Italy had in a few decades after WWII. I remember the Parliamentary systems where chaos ruled. I think our system is the better of flawed systems.

Italy is prolly an extreme example, often bordering on anarchism, and every nation or society has to work within what its cultural history suggests. A better example might be Canada.

Calling others Drones will NOT win them over. Change comes slowly. If you have no long term strategy all you end up is a reactionary and a radical that would bring about chaos and what we have today in Congress -- no compromise

But it may wake some up, get their attention and once in a while, generate a thought in that direction.
It got Dante's attention didn't it?

 

[Pogo]

Don't you have to know who the alternatives are first? I do.

Not to consider. But who the other candidate is (speaking of general election) would determine who gets my vote..
Dante is a liberal and true liberals have open minds -- within reason

Yanno, there's a reason I put mine in the plural -- "alternatives are"....

Whichever candidate runs for whichever party, the first thing we gotta get rid of is this binary mindset that it's gotta be Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dumb.

Maybe I'm a minority but when given a choice of two and I don't like either, the first thing I ask is "what else ya got"?

Third candidates in the general screw everything up. Pluralities give us very unstable governments -- look at the past 50 years

Declaring "third candidates screw everything up" ensures that there will never be any. It condemns us to the binary. I'm just not satisfied with being stuck in that hole. The first thing to do is quit diggin'.

To a very large extent that's a flaw of the system that leans to the binary, yes. But change comes from The People. When the drones sleep though the status quo, it remains that.

I understand the idealistic desire for a 3rd party, though my ideal would likely differ from yours. Given the current system, it's unlikely that in our life time, a Socialist, Green or Conservative POTUS could form any kind of coalition with Congress. They couldn't pass a bill about what time to break for lunch.
The place for a 3rd party to start would be in the House. Over 16 or 20 years, someone like the far right (or Socialists for that matter) could become a block sufficient to influence legislation. A star could emerge as a viable candidate for the big chair

That's good lucid thinking, and in a practical sense realistic for how it actually comes about down the road.

For now I'm just saying it has to start somewhere, and where that start is is to stop thinking binary.