Dangers of democracy

[Cecilie1200]

If there was such a clear intelligent and philosophic design behind it, why are each of the following true:

1. The nation's first constitution, the Articles of Confederation, was an utter failure.
2. Most nations that have adopted constitutions similar to ours have been characterized by political crisis.
3. When giving technical assistance to other nations designing constitutions, we normally advise some sort of parliamentary system (the only case I can think of where we proposed a system like ours was in Afghanistan).

1. It wasn't.
2. Different circumstances and national character.
3. Depends on the country.

 

[Contumacious]

2- The House Of Representatives was supposed to represent the will of the people and the Senate was supposed to represent the will of the States.

3- Also the Electoral College is supposed to protect our rights from super majorities;

Except that really wasn't the purpose. There wasn't some deep philosophical vain.

4 An independent Judiciary was supposed to act as a bulwark of our liberties

Entrusting our liberties to a powerless group. Genius.

Yeah maybe we need a nation security force as well trained and funded as the military .

The military should be abolished , freemen militias are enough.


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[Contumacious]

How does this eliminate tyranny of the majority? Who elects the representatives and if the representatives fails to do the bidding of the majority what happens?

1-Rights are secured by the Constitution - they no depend on the will of the majority, ie, I have a right to bear arms regardless of what the majority decides

2- The House Of Representatives was supposed to represent the will of the people and the Senate was supposed to represent the will of the States.

3- Also the Electoral College is supposed to protect our rights from super majorities;

4 An independent Judiciary was supposed to act as a bulwark of our liberties


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Of course, all of those things came about because the majority decided they wanted them.

In that case the majority was correct and no harm was caused.


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[Cecilie1200]

1-Rights are secured by the Constitution - they no depend on the will of the majority, ie, I have a right to bear arms regardless of what the majority decides

2- The House Of Representatives was supposed to represent the will of the people and the Senate was supposed to represent the will of the States.

3- Also the Electoral College is supposed to protect our rights from super majorities;

4 An independent Judiciary was supposed to act as a bulwark of our liberties


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Of course, all of those things came about because the majority decided they wanted them.

In that case the majority was correct and no harm was caused.


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Who ever said the point was to guarantee that no harm is caused? The point in choosing a government is so that when it DOES happen, people have no one to blame but themselves.

 

[Polk]

If there was such a clear intelligent and philosophic design behind it, why are each of the following true:

1. The nation's first constitution, the Articles of Confederation, was an utter failure.
2. Most nations that have adopted constitutions similar to ours have been characterized by political crisis.
3. When giving technical assistance to other nations designing constitutions, we normally advise some sort of parliamentary system (the only case I can think of where we proposed a system like ours was in Afghanistan).

1. It wasn't.
2. Different circumstances and national character.
3. Depends on the country.

1. Yeah, it was. If we had kept going under the Articles, we'd have already been conquered by now. Hell, the nation was almost destroyed by a few farmers in western Massachusetts.
2. Or, you know, huge mechanism flaws that we've had extreme luck in avoiding.
3. We have given different advice depending on the nation, but the common theme has been that we haven't advised the creation of a system like our own.

 

[Contumacious]

Of course, all of those things came about because the majority decided they wanted them.

In that case the majority was correct and no harm was caused.


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Who ever said the point was to guarantee that no harm is caused? The point in choosing a government is so that when it DOES happen, people have no one to blame but themselves.

Again, the bureaucrats duties are SPECIFICALLY ENUMERATED - no authority was granted there to cause harm.

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