Damned if you do, damned if you don't

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    There are lots of things in this world that I have a hard time understanding, but I have to admit that this really baffeles me. Israel insists that it be called a Jewish State, and yet when Sen. Hagel comes out and sayes " the Jewish Lobby " when talking about groups that support Israel, all of a sudden there are all sorts of Jewish people and pro Jewish people who are accusing him of being an anti-Semite. Seems as if the Jewish People want their cake and want to eat it also, can someone please explain this to me. Are the Jewish people so special that they get to change the flavor of a word repeatly in order to suit their every whim.
     
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    Yes.

    Antisemite used to include other Semitic people besides Jews.
     
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    “When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You’re talking anti-Semitism!”
    —Martin Luther King, Jr.


    King’s words were first reported by Seymour Martin Lipset, at that time the George D. Markham Professor of Government and Sociology at Harvard, in an article he published in the magazine Encounter in December 1969—that is, in the year following King’s assassination. Lipset:

    Shortly before he was assassinated, Martin Luther King, Jr. was in Boston on a fund-raising mission, and I had the good fortune to attend a dinner which was given for him in Cambridge. This was an experience which was at once fascinating and moving: one witnessed Dr. King in action in a way one never got to see in public. He wanted to find what the Negro students at Harvard and other parts of the Boston area were thinking about various issues, and he very subtly cross-examined them for well over an hour and a half. He asked questions, and said very little himself. One of the young men present happened to make some remark against the Zionists. Dr. King snapped at him and said, “Don’t talk like that! When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You’re talking anti-Semitism!”
     
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    When was that? I do not recall ever encountering a standard usage
    other than in reference to jews what difference does it make to you?
     
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    LMAO! You have a very fine brain Patrick. Hegel is an American patriot who condemns John McCain for not being American enough, hates our allies, especially Israel, supports Iran's nuclear ambitions, denies that Hamas is anti American & refuses to allow gays to help fight for our country. Yes sir, an American patriot of moral concience.


     
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    Patrick, double talk has been brought up to an art form by the right wing ZioNuts on these boards...When they call you an anti-Semite let it roll off your back because that means they are at a loss in responding...Even the double talk can't help them twist the truth.
     
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    patrickcaturday, et al,

    Just as there are a number of different Americans with divergent ideas, so there are a number of different Israelis with varying concepts.

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    When Senator Chuck Hagel (R-NE) was referenced in this accusation, it wasn't about using the term "Jewish Lobby." It was about the expression of the character of the "Jewish Lobby." The accusation was made by an aid and it is concerning how Senator Hagel perceives the influence the "Jewish Lobby" has over US Foreign Policy:

    This is a question and a impression that any number of people have expressed over the last 30 years. Senator Hagel is not the first to suggest that the power and influence of the Jewish Lobby is very strong.

    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
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    As usual Roudy your post has nothing to do with the OP if you wish to engage in discussion please adress the points raised therein.
    Also I would be a little more circumspect in your use of Lipset as a reliable source because in one of his supposed historical documents ( turned out to be pure fiction ) " Letter to an anti-zionist friend " was a complete fabrication of supposed quotes from MLK.
     
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    MJB Please supply some sort of verification for ALL of your slanders ( lies ) .
     
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    This is the first time I have responded to you , so please forgive me if I am honestly blunt. Your post is at best inane and at worst disengenous ( sp ). You are taking a quote from an unnamed source ( always a questionable tactic ) and attributing by inferance to Hagel !!!
     

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