Damn right i’m entitled and not a victim

[jasonnfree]

Not much credibility for morons that can't spell.

Your first damn mistake is in thinking thatAARP is an advocacy group for seniors. It is a wolly owned democratic think tank.

 

[WillowTree]

 

[MarcATL]

Assuming you have worked all those years, you surely have built up quite a nest egg. My parents told me that to never rely on SS for your retirement years. It's just a small check.
I did my research. SS was NEVER intended to be something on which to retire. It is and always has been a supplement.
Many older people think of SS as an untouchable sacred cow. I got into a heated discussion about the matte with one of my uncles. He actually got pissed off when I told him SS was a bad concept and should be scuttled and redone. His like the reactions of many others was "don't you dare touch my social security"..The thing is he like many others in his generation were told to believe their government would take care of them in their golden years. The truth is the federal government has been robbing SS money and replacing it with IOU's. The thinking was the federal govt could spend the money deducted from our checks and it would be replaced by future generations. Well, with the economy in the shitter and baby boomers about to retire en masse, there is not nearly enough money to cover the flood of new recipients. There is no SS Trust Fund. In fact, due ot the way the federal government spends and takes money from areas which were supposed to be untouchable, has turned all of the items (SS , Medicare, etc) into TAXES. The government simply uses the deducted money for it's own purposes.
The concept or notion that we "pay into" these things is patently false. We are TAXED. Period.
There is no "account" for us.
No one has a Social Security Insurance policy....What are you talking about?
Here's what I would do if I were in the position of having a say..
Blow up Social Security. Get rid of it...Medicare....GONE..
Now, The new setup....
Workers would have the OPTION of choosing a percentage ( minimum of 3%) of their PRE TAX wage to be placed in an UNTOUCHABLE account. The account would bear interest at a rate of prime plus 1% compounded yearly. Upon the worker's retirement the funds would be ALL there. Not one red cent is to be touched by anyone. No government official no presidential executive order. Nothing. The money belongs to the person who put it there.
Employer's share....The employer(s) would be responsible for one half of the rate the employee rate..So if the worker has 4% of his or her pay withheld for the benefit, the employer pays an additional 2% toward the fund.
All of the money goes into an interest bearing account to be drawn upon by the worker upon retirement. TAX FREE..We should NOT be taxing our senior citizens for their retirement.
Now, if the worker passes away, a beneficiary is selected. They cannot receive benefits until THEIR retirement. The concept here is this is just like an insurance policy. The government should not get a bite at this apple.
The bottom line is this. I am SICK and tired of government stealing OUR money and not replacing it.
This and the reasons mentioned above are why the current SS system is broken.

So why not work to stop those in government who are taking away from it vs. punishing the citizens that have put in their hard work, sweat and tears?

why dont you run on those ideas and see how far the American people back you?

No, it's just greedy self entitled gime gimme gimme jerks like you who do the loudest screaming.
The majority of Americans know full well the current system is broken.

If that's the case, then why in Heaven's name don't the Republicans run on that very thing you say exactly?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Your first damn mistake is in thinking thatAARP is an advocacy group for seniors. It is a wolly owned democratic think tank.

No shit.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Assuming you have worked all those years, you surely have built up quite a nest egg. My parents told me that to never rely on SS for your retirement years. It's just a small check.
I did my research. SS was NEVER intended to be something on which to retire. It is and always has been a supplement.
Many older people think of SS as an untouchable sacred cow. I got into a heated discussion about the matte with one of my uncles. He actually got pissed off when I told him SS was a bad concept and should be scuttled and redone. His like the reactions of many others was "don't you dare touch my social security"..The thing is he like many others in his generation were told to believe their government would take care of them in their golden years. The truth is the federal government has been robbing SS money and replacing it with IOU's. The thinking was the federal govt could spend the money deducted from our checks and it would be replaced by future generations. Well, with the economy in the shitter and baby boomers about to retire en masse, there is not nearly enough money to cover the flood of new recipients. There is no SS Trust Fund. In fact, due ot the way the federal government spends and takes money from areas which were supposed to be untouchable, has turned all of the items (SS , Medicare, etc) into TAXES. The government simply uses the deducted money for it's own purposes.
The concept or notion that we "pay into" these things is patently false. We are TAXED. Period.
There is no "account" for us.
No one has a Social Security Insurance policy....What are you talking about?
Here's what I would do if I were in the position of having a say..
Blow up Social Security. Get rid of it...Medicare....GONE..
Now, The new setup....
Workers would have the OPTION of choosing a percentage ( minimum of 3%) of their PRE TAX wage to be placed in an UNTOUCHABLE account. The account would bear interest at a rate of prime plus 1% compounded yearly. Upon the worker's retirement the funds would be ALL there. Not one red cent is to be touched by anyone. No government official no presidential executive order. Nothing. The money belongs to the person who put it there.
Employer's share....The employer(s) would be responsible for one half of the rate the employee rate..So if the worker has 4% of his or her pay withheld for the benefit, the employer pays an additional 2% toward the fund.
All of the money goes into an interest bearing account to be drawn upon by the worker upon retirement. TAX FREE..We should NOT be taxing our senior citizens for their retirement.
Now, if the worker passes away, a beneficiary is selected. They cannot receive benefits until THEIR retirement. The concept here is this is just like an insurance policy. The government should not get a bite at this apple.
The bottom line is this. I am SICK and tired of government stealing OUR money and not replacing it.
This and the reasons mentioned above are why the current SS system is broken.

So why not work to stop those in government who are taking away from it vs. punishing the citizens that have put in their hard work, sweat and tears?

why dont you run on those ideas and see how far the American people back you?

No, it's just greedy self entitled gime gimme gimme jerks like you who do the loudest screaming.
The majority of Americans know full well the current system is broken.

If that's the case, then why in Heaven's name don't the Republicans run on that very thing you say exactly?

They don't hold office where I vote. We already bounced two GOP people, one State House member and one State Senator who were part of the old line network. Now we are targeting Sen Kay Hagen when her term is up.

 

[Oldguy]

Social Security was meant to be a true entitlement because we all paid into it and our employers matched it. Most of us will never get back what we paid in because the Dems didn't keep their promise of putting the money in a lockbox.

It was never intended to be a savings program and it was never expected that most people would get "back" what they put into it. It doesn't work that way and never has. You do know, don't you, that YOUR Social Security taxes do NOT go to fund YOUR retirement. It funds those who are retired now, just as the taxes paid in by your children will fund yours.

 

[WillowTree]

You're the dumbass who called them an advocacy group.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Assuming you have worked all those years, you surely have built up quite a nest egg. My parents told me that to never rely on SS for your retirement years. It's just a small check.
I did my research. SS was NEVER intended to be something on which to retire. It is and always has been a supplement.
Many older people think of SS as an untouchable sacred cow. I got into a heated discussion about the matte with one of my uncles. He actually got pissed off when I told him SS was a bad concept and should be scuttled and redone. His like the reactions of many others was "don't you dare touch my social security"..The thing is he like many others in his generation were told to believe their government would take care of them in their golden years. The truth is the federal government has been robbing SS money and replacing it with IOU's. The thinking was the federal govt could spend the money deducted from our checks and it would be replaced by future generations. Well, with the economy in the shitter and baby boomers about to retire en masse, there is not nearly enough money to cover the flood of new recipients. There is no SS Trust Fund. In fact, due ot the way the federal government spends and takes money from areas which were supposed to be untouchable, has turned all of the items (SS , Medicare, etc) into TAXES. The government simply uses the deducted money for it's own purposes.
The concept or notion that we "pay into" these things is patently false. We are TAXED. Period.
There is no "account" for us.
No one has a Social Security Insurance policy....What are you talking about?
Here's what I would do if I were in the position of having a say..
Blow up Social Security. Get rid of it...Medicare....GONE..
Now, The new setup....
Workers would have the OPTION of choosing a percentage ( minimum of 3%) of their PRE TAX wage to be placed in an UNTOUCHABLE account. The account would bear interest at a rate of prime plus 1% compounded yearly. Upon the worker's retirement the funds would be ALL there. Not one red cent is to be touched by anyone. No government official no presidential executive order. Nothing. The money belongs to the person who put it there.
Employer's share....The employer(s) would be responsible for one half of the rate the employee rate..So if the worker has 4% of his or her pay withheld for the benefit, the employer pays an additional 2% toward the fund.
All of the money goes into an interest bearing account to be drawn upon by the worker upon retirement. TAX FREE..We should NOT be taxing our senior citizens for their retirement.
Now, if the worker passes away, a beneficiary is selected. They cannot receive benefits until THEIR retirement. The concept here is this is just like an insurance policy. The government should not get a bite at this apple.
The bottom line is this. I am SICK and tired of government stealing OUR money and not replacing it.
This and the reasons mentioned above are why the current SS system is broken.

So why not work to stop those in government who are taking away from it vs. punishing the citizens that have put in their hard work, sweat and tears?

why dont you run on those ideas and see how far the American people back you?

No, it's just greedy self entitled gime gimme gimme jerks like you who do the loudest screaming.
The majority of Americans know full well the current system is broken.

If that's the case, then why in Heaven's name don't the Republicans run on that very thing you say exactly?

The other problem is trying to eliminate the entitlement mentality of a fairly significant portion of the population.
No one is "taking away" SS. That is the hysterical version from the Left. The big lie.
No one will be "punished".
To hold the notion that Social Security and Medicare are just fine the way they are is another version of insanity.

 

[thereisnospoon]

You're the dumbass who called them an advocacy group.

I warned you about the insults. This is the last time I am going to tell you. Cut the shit.

 

[Clementine]

Social Security was meant to be a true entitlement because we all paid into it and our employers matched it. Most of us will never get back what we paid in because the Dems didn't keep their promise of putting the money in a lockbox.

It was never intended to be a savings program and it was never expected that most people would get "back" what they put into it. It doesn't work that way and never has. You do know, don't you, that YOUR Social Security taxes do NOT go to fund YOUR retirement. It funds those who are retired now, just as the taxes paid in by your children will fund yours.

That's how it was sold to the people. The public was told that by paying into SS, they were insuring security for their future. They never share the fine print.

They were supposed to take the money, with the money your employer matched and keep it in an interest earning account. When it started, of course some people were near retirement, but if they had handled the money well, we all would get out of it what we paid in. To allow anyone to collect without having contributed to the fund, such as immigrants and even illegal aliens (like Obama's aunt) there is no way to keep up. It is simply a Ponzi scheme. The Dems get defensive when you call it what it is, which is another failed government program that is unsustainable in the long run.

If you think Social Security is in danger with people still paying a big chunk of their wages into it, imagine what a nightmare healthcare will be when millions jump on and expect the other half to foot the bill for that, too.

Socialism itself is unsustainable, yet there are always those who think they can make it work.

 

[WillowTree]

You're the dumbass who called them an advocacy group.

I warned you about the insults. This is the last time I am going to tell you. Cut the shit.

Don't it chap your ass that you don't get to tell me what to do? What are you some kind of control freak?

 

[Unkotare]

You're the dumbass who called them an advocacy group.

I warned you about the insults. This is the last time I am going to tell you. Cut the shit.

Hey, hey now. There is room for us all to be dumbasses.

 

[JeannieD]

To allow anyone to collect without having contributed to the fund, such as immigrants and even illegal aliens (like Obama's aunt) there is no way to keep up.

Not to mention those who have never worked and collect SSI for "disabilities" that don't prevent them from having hordes of kids, who are in turn doctor shopped until they get the coveted ADHD diagnosis so they can collect for the kids too...

 

[thereisnospoon]

You're the dumbass who called them an advocacy group.

I warned you about the insults. This is the last time I am going to tell you. Cut the shit.

Don't it chap your ass that you don't get to tell me what to do? What are you some kind of control freak?

No..Just two things. One, why you had to go down that road. And two, thinking you'll get away with it.
I am attempting to remain civil. You are trying to make that impossible.
With each post, you are exposing yourself.

 

[WillowTree]

I warned you about the insults. This is the last time I am going to tell you. Cut the shit.

Don't it chap your ass that you don't get to tell me what to do? What are you some kind of control freak?

No..Just two things. One, why you had to go down that road. And two, thinking you'll get away with it.
I am attempting to remain civil. You are trying to make that impossible.
With each post, you are exposing yourself.

You!re just too damn bossy. You don't get to get away with telling people who have spent their entire working lives having money forced from them in exchange for a promise that the government owes them nothing. That!s what makes you an as swipe.

 

[Darkwind]

DAMN RIGHT I’M ENTITLED AND NOT A VICTIM
Unless Romney makes me a victim by turning my Medicare to a voucher program and privatizing my Social Security.

I worked 50 years and sometime two jobs and put my self through college without any help but a full time job and raised three kids in the process. I paid into the system, paid into two wars I did not support, paid into a welfare system I never used, paid into unemployment insurance and never had to use and now my Social Security insurance policy entitles me to Social Security and Medicare, $10 in food stamps, (that Romney want to begrudge me?) a discount on my prescriptions.

My dad invested his future into social security and never lived to collect after working 40 years. He was not able to pass his insurance policy on to his survivors, but Romney’s dad investment was pass on to him and gave him a head start. African slaves worked and built the country and the toils of their labor was not pass on the survivors to give them a head start.

Social Security is one investment that is not pass on to surviving relatives in the form of stock.

Damn right I am entitled, but I am not a victim yet but Romney has all intentions to make me one if he is elected to look out for my interest. A big no thanks Romney.

Hey IDIOT.. If you worked 50 years, you must be at least 66 years old which means Romney's plans don't even affect you. FAUX OUTRAGE NOTED.

I am 73 years old and it will affect my childern and grand children and some have already paid into Social Security as it will not be there for them when they become of age. And anything that affects my childern and grand children it affect me.

Very good. Then when you have spent every dime you paid into these programs, and if you continue to live, you will not get another dime.

Your children and grandchildren WILL be affected by your unreasoning greed that you exhibit in this thread.

I hope they remember you by it and piss on your grave when they come to realize that you had the key to helping them, but chose yourself over them.

 

[WillowTree]

Hey IDIOT.. If you worked 50 years, you must be at least 66 years old which means Romney's plans don't even affect you. FAUX OUTRAGE NOTED.

I am 73 years old and it will affect my childern and grand children and some have already paid into Social Security as it will not be there for them when they become of age. And anything that affects my childern and grand children it affect me.

Very good. Then when you have spent every dime you paid into these programs, and if you continue to live, you will not get another dime.

Your children and grandchildren WILL be affected by your unreasoning greed that you exhibit in this thread.

I hope they remember you by it and piss on your grave when they come to realize that you had the key to helping them, but chose yourself over them.

What a bunch of shit. She is 76 years old and played by the rules. She wasn't given a choice. What the hell you want her to do now? Suck air?

 

[Darkwind]

I am 73 years old and it will affect my childern and grand children and some have already paid into Social Security as it will not be there for them when they become of age. And anything that affects my childern and grand children it affect me.

Very good. Then when you have spent every dime you paid into these programs, and if you continue to live, you will not get another dime.

Your children and grandchildren WILL be affected by your unreasoning greed that you exhibit in this thread.

I hope they remember you by it and piss on your grave when they come to realize that you had the key to helping them, but chose yourself over them.

What a bunch of shit. She is 76 years old and played by the rules. She wasn't given a choice. What the hell you want her to do now? Suck air?

She gets ONLY the money she paid into the program. Not a dime more.

If she lives beyond that point, that is her problem. That is what HER greed will get her.

Rather than being part of the solution, she has decided to cement her position with big government to the detriment of everyone else.

As I said, in 50 years, when her kids and grand kids have nothing, I hope the remember her properly.

 

[WillowTree]

Very good. Then when you have spent every dime you paid into these programs, and if you continue to live, you will not get another dime.

Your children and grandchildren WILL be affected by your unreasoning greed that you exhibit in this thread.

I hope they remember you by it and piss on your grave when they come to realize that you had the key to helping them, but chose yourself over them.

What a bunch of shit. She is 76 years old and played by the rules. She wasn't given a choice. What the hell you want her to do now? Suck air?

She gets ONLY the money she paid into the program. Not a dime more.

If she lives beyond that point, that is her problem. That is what HER greed will get her.

Rather than being part of the solution, she has decided to cement her position with big government to the detriment of everyone else.

As I said, in 50 years, when her kids and grand kids have nothing, I hope the remember her properly.

I don't think the law is written that way, sorry but it isn't.

 

[Darkwind]

What a bunch of shit. She is 76 years old and played by the rules. She wasn't given a choice. What the hell you want her to do now? Suck air?

She gets ONLY the money she paid into the program. Not a dime more.

If she lives beyond that point, that is her problem. That is what HER greed will get her.

Rather than being part of the solution, she has decided to cement her position with big government to the detriment of everyone else.

As I said, in 50 years, when her kids and grand kids have nothing, I hope the remember her properly.

I don't think the law is written that way, sorry but it isn't.

Would you like to know how much I care?

The claim is she paid into the system. That she is entitled to the money because it is HERS.

Well, the money she paid in is finite, and will not last forever. IF she outlives that balance, too bad for her and anyone else who carries the attitude that they are owed something.

Life owes no one, anything. There are ways to fix it so that everyone can continue to enjoy the benefit. But it is simple fucking greed on the part of people like her who demand that the rest of us go down with the ship they have welded themselves too, simply because they do not wish to give up or alter a single thing.

Fuck em.